LSD and PTSD and Deppression

Mookjong

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I feel that pretty much all the common illegal or scheduled drugs can relieve depressive symptoms. (Amphetamines, Opioids, MJ, Benzos, LSD, Psilocybin, and Cocaine) The problem is that to beat depression, you have to constantly work at it. It is not something that will be "cured" with a properly titrated dose of ANY substance. All you can do is WORK at making today better than yesterday and focus on the present in hopes of building a better future. That's exactly what anti-depressants were designed for. To reduce the symptoms long enough for YOU to build a better for life. They don't cure shit. They simply manage symptoms.

"Shell Shock" is a defense mechanism of PTSD. I had a history teacher that served in Viet Nam. If someone would drop a book on a desk loudly, he would drop to ground, sometimes calling out military commands. It's basically as if his sub-concious has trained itself to survive in incrediblely dangerous situations. This training has reached his core or the "Fight or Flight" area of the brain. That's really deep and imho can only be trained to cope in the new surroundings. His subconcious will not allow him to learn this reaction is nolonger needed because it has saved his life and that part of the brain only makes clear black or white decisions. There's no gray area.. His "Flight" reaction has adapted to the sounds of loud explosions, so that every time hears a loud boom he hits the deck. Since this action has worked in saving his life, he basically hard wired the response.

As hard has is to hear, at this time in our lives, there is not cure for either of these phenomenon. All we can do is seek help in order aid us while WE WORK through to build a better tomorrow. If you're abosolutely hell bent of the research of unconventional means, you're looking in the wrong place. DMT is where you want to focus your energy.There are or have been very recently been studies with scientific researchers exploring possible uses of DMT. Shit there's even a decent documentery on netflix, just search dmt and find the one with Joe rogan.

The fact that the OP is asking this question tell me he/she is in a denile or hasn't fully surrendered in therapy. Therapy won't work until you let your guard down. If it takes a few shots of whiskey so be it. They won't hold it against you. It's seen as a big step forward in the willingness to help yourself by all means necessary. If you go to therapy completely guarded you wont be in right position to perceive the information correctly and unbiased.

I heard a good quote from the movie Side Effects- "Depression is the inability to construct a future." It definitely hit home with my personal struggles.

Anyways, take it or leave it, I hope you find what your looking for.
 

MisterMicro

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I feel that pretty much all the common illegal or scheduled drugs can relieve depressive symptoms. (Amphetamines, Opioids, MJ, Benzos, LSD, Psilocybin, and Cocaine) The problem is that to beat depression, you have to constantly work at it. It is not something that will be "cured" with a properly titrated dose of ANY substance. All you can do is WORK at making today better than yesterday and focus on the present in hopes of building a better future. That's exactly what anti-depressants were designed for. To reduce the symptoms long enough for YOU to build a better for life. They don't cure shit. They simply manage symptoms.

"Shell Shock" is a defense mechanism of PTSD. I had a history teacher that served in Viet Nam. If someone would drop a book on a desk loudly, he would drop to ground, sometimes calling out military commands. It's basically as if his sub-concious has trained itself to survive in incrediblely dangerous situations. This training has reached his core or the "Fight or Flight" area of the brain. That's really deep and imho can only be trained to cope in the new surroundings. His subconcious will not allow him to learn this reaction is nolonger needed because it has saved his life and that part of the brain only makes clear black or white decisions. There's no gray area.. His "Flight" reaction has adapted to the sounds of loud explosions, so that every time hears a loud boom he hits the deck. Since this action has worked in saving his life, he basically hard wired the response.

As hard has is to hear, at this time in our lives, there is not cure for either of these phenomenon. All we can do is seek help in order aid us while WE WORK through to build a better tomorrow. If you're abosolutely hell bent of the research of unconventional means, you're looking in the wrong place. DMT is where you want to focus your energy.There are or have been very recently been studies with scientific researchers exploring possible uses of DMT. Shit there's even a decent documentery on netflix, just search dmt and find the one with Joe rogan.

The fact that the OP is asking this question tell me he/she is in a denile or hasn't fully surrendered in therapy. Therapy won't work until you let your guard down. If it takes a few shots of whiskey so be it. They won't hold it against you. It's seen as a big step forward in the willingness to help yourself by all means necessary. If you go to therapy completely guarded you wont be in right position to perceive the information correctly and unbiased.

I heard a good quote from the movie Side Effects- "Depression is the inability to construct a future." It definitely hit home with my personal struggles.

Anyways, take it or leave it, I hope you find what your looking for.
Nice! Yeah as Timothy Leary said : "i am 100 % in favor of the intelligent use of drugs and 100% against it wether it be LSD or Caffiene" Im on Adderall right now and dont know what id do without it. Gets me through the day. Next time i talk to my Phych im going to drive toward a script for Ritalin to open me up philosiphically. See heres the deal. I was poisoned with arsenic. Everything about me is fucked up from my facial expression, my walk, and my curiousity and peace of mind. I have a dark shroud that blinds me mentally to subtle curiousities. Someone tried to kill me in an institution so i now look at the world differently. As far as PTSD i have a anger that now streaks my councious where ever it goes. I have an erge to beat the shit out of people who fuck with to release this negative energy... I have a hard time expressing my self and find myself a broken record, always bringing up this incident because it ruined my life and its now my lifes cause to overcome this. I want to free myself from thinking about it, to live a normal life, forget and move on. Most of all it just fucked up my chemistry.

I read an entire book and a study of DMT called DMT. It open my eyes to the therapy of it. Never tried it... As i understand from the book and from Joe Rogans comentary is that it takes a squigey to the crud on your third eye and alows you to prioritize as i like to put it. I have plans to make my own as it is easy. Definatly trying to fit it in on the list of therapies. Not on the top 5 of my list of substances but definatly there.

Intresting perspective on PTSD, well put. Like the quote on deppression too.

Im on a year of paper and seriously thinking about running. I cant afford to do any more time, id rather die, seriously. I have a friend that died when he was 17 and im tight with his dad so i was thinking about changing my identity, finding a suicide pill and go start some serious sid barret style therapy to operate at 100 percent again. I do see death in my future, the arsenic did to much damage. At least once a day i feel if i had a gun i wouldnt hesitate. a sign i need to do something reall drastic, i cant live like this. I tried to kill myself. I put a bag aroud my head and tied it. Got reall close, started blacking out, just couldnt shake the instinct to tear it off. This was in an institution though, feel light years better now that im out. .. I want to run because i need to involve stimulants in my 'experiment'. Im getting a toxicoligy report today to get some money off a settlement. Expecting 30k. Enough to start a life somewhere in Cali. I think if i get on ritalin and finaly find some trips i could find the patience to weight to unleash on my mission to find peace...
 

Kervork

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MDMA for the PTSD, ketamine for depression and lsd or mushrooms for headaches.

Illegal drugs appear to be the only safe ones :)

The bag thing only works with alcohol, depressants etc. You have to go to sleep and let go of the rubber band that holds the bag on.
 

Mookjong

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Make sure you have a job lined up before you go.. 30k in Cali won't last very long. Check the silk road for your LSD, I think it would be safer there instead of some guy saying he's got L when it's nbomb. That shit is happening way too much these days. I would trust the road before a some random guy.

Why do you want Ritalin if you have Adderall? What kind of pills do you have.
 

MisterMicro

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Just adderall. IDK i just feel a craving in the afternoon for Ritalin. I wouldnt normally take them both i agree but my mission is to make everyday a good day. like i said everyday i feel an urge to put a gun to my head.
 

MisterMicro

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If i had the choice id be doing cocaine everyother day, Mdma once every two weeks, but im on paper for a year.
 

sunni

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I've had depressive issues in the past and have done shrooms and lsd about 7 times. If you are depressed, stay away from psychedelics until you're in a good space again. Period. Don't believe all this bullshit and pseudo-science about drugs curing psychological disorders. 99% of the time they make them worse. You don't want to get sucked into a hole you can't climb out of.
agreed dont fuck yourself up anymore than you already are.
 

MisterMicro

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You have the wrong guy. I need anykind of mindgames drugs offer me to distract me from the negative shrowd of deppression. I simply cant deny it works for me personally. Gives me hope. Just to run on instinct. Either your close minded or just dont get my style.
 

Mookjong

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Well if your one that prefers Cocaine to Meth then Ritalin would suit you better than Adderall.

Self medicating only delays the healing process. Sure you feel good now but what happens when your tolerance is too high for you to respond to the Ritalin or w/e drug? I really wish you would consider an anti-depressant with weekly or bi-weekly talk therapy. Think of it as a bridge to get to where you want to be. Do you have a good sleep schedule? If not do you practice good sleep hygiene? Are you able to hold down a steady job? If you're absolutely against anti-depressants at least consider joining a group or finding a therapist. Most states have programs on a sliding scale so if you're not working it will be free.

One thing that has helped me tremendously is keeping a journal. Sounds lame but after a while of consistent entries, I think you'll find at least a clearer thinking you. Putting all my crazy racing thoughts down on paper lets my mind rest and produce thoughts worth expressing. It's made me a smarter, well spoken person, and dramatically increased my short term memory. For me it was a life changer. I think you stand to gain some similar benefits. Write about how you slept, dreams you had, plans for the day, difficulties of the day, best part of the day, plans for tomorrow, if you got a stomach ache, what caused it, goals, aspirations, etc. I'm sure you've done a grow journal, why not a life journal? Emptying your brain on paper can have some really remarkable effects.

Regardless of what direction you choose, the worst mistake you can make is to stop working at it. You aren't even close to being alone, there are millions of people in the same boat. Taking action whole heartedly will separate you from the rest.
 

sunni

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You have the wrong guy. I need anykind of mindgames drugs offer me to distract me from the negative shrowd of deppression. I simply cant deny it works for me personally. Gives me hope. Just to run on instinct. Either your close minded or just dont get my style.
i think you just want people to tell you its okay, it sounds like youre addicted to drugs personally, sorry im not goign to tell you its okay.
people with depression, and ptsd, anxiety ect shouldnt touch mind altering drugs , you're gunna end up so far down a hole you cannot get yourself back up, youll either hurt someone around you, yourself, or end up dead in a few years.

goodluck though wish you best.
 

MisterMicro

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Ok about four years ago they did a study with psilocyben cubensis and PTSD at UCLA and concluded it has benifits and therapuetic value for PTSD. And thanks but you got the wrong guy.
 

sunni

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Ok about four years ago they did a study with psilocyben cubensis and PTSD at UCLA and concluded it has benifits and therapuetic value for PTSD. And thanks but you got the wrong guy.
I could find 1 study done to favor just about anything including why having sex with an animal is good for humans doesnt make it so, this is forum board you need to be open to listen to everyones opinions not just ones that side with you. you're the one being close minded. but i shall say no more since you only want thoughts on why its good for you , or thoughts that side with what you want to hear
 

MisterMicro

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No Damnit! Im being me, my style. UCLA is a pretty damn reputable source for a study. Is the question not who is doing the study? You have to see it at every angle, your trying to loose me in ambiguity. Your trying to navigate this into another direction for lack of understanding of different styles. If you poisoned some rats with arsenic and they became phychotic, what would you give them? Some fucking seroquel and prozac to nuetralize them? OR would you give them stimulants and phychedelcs not to get them high but just to bring there peace of mind meter out of the negative and into the atleast nuetral? I guess its a question of an art. Would you just give them seroquel and prozac even though they suffered? Thats neglect. Thats only nuetralizing them, making them as harmless as possible, but doing nothing for the void of peace of mind.
 

sunni

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No Damnit! Im being me, my style. UCLA is a pretty damn reputable source for a study. Is the question not who is doing the study? You have to see it at every angle, your trying to loose me in ambiguity. Your trying to navigate this into another direction for lack of understanding of different styles. If you poisoned some rats with arsenic and they became phychotic, what would you give them? Some fucking seroquel and prozac to nuetralize them? OR would you give them stimulants and phychedelcs not to get them high but just to bring there peace of mind meter out of the negative and into the atleast nuetral? I guess its a question of an art. Would you just give them seroquel and prozac even though they suffered? Thats neglect. Thats only nuetralizing them, making them as harmless as possible, but doing nothing for the void of peace of mind.
sounds like you got some hostile anger issues as well. seriously? all because I disagree with you. no need to be hostile not everyone in the world is going to agree with you on everything
 

MisterMicro

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it gives them something to look forward to. its there water in a desolate dessert. There sunshine. Theres no sunshine in prozac and seroquel. There mind controll drugs that take away your ambition and make you easily monipulatable. Make you shut up and stop complaining even though your not happy. Mask but not directly deal with the problem at hand
 

Big Trees

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I would say LSD has the same medical efficiency as shock treatment. Too inconsistent because everyone has different chemical balances in their brain. There is a chance it will help but also a chance of perma trip, anxiety disorders, worse depression, schizophrenia ect. It would also depend of the experience of the trip. Going into a bad trip for 12 hours is no good for your mental status.
 

MisterMicro

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not hostile, just bored and like to think i have a pretty clear perception of life. Just 'playing' with you.
 

MisterMicro

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Yea depends on chemistry. Never had a bad trip, always got way to exited before hand to have a bad trip. I think its people who have things to hide that can have bad trips. LSD taught me the truth will set you free.
 

MisterMicro

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And yea as shock treatment that makes alot of sense to me. When i take L i feel everypart of me relax. I had some PTSD from fighting with my dad all the time. We both lack in empathy. Wed verbaly try to cut eachother as deep as possible. I felt L relaxed my rough edges and my mind game of looking for problems in everything. It made me feel like 'let it be' as the beatles said.And yea i agree it can lead to mental problems if abused. My best friend, really intelligent was boderline obsessed with LSD. The guy who introduced me to Sid and to Zeit geist. he played fucking betoven to the elderly when he was 10. He ended up in the phychiatric hospital after telling his parrents he was going to take off in his space ship and shit. HE now has a very clear perception that he was crazy at the time, not afraid to admit it. Could never imagin him that out there. He is now making some rediculous tie dies tapastries and shirts and selling them at shows. Fully recovered. see he was taking l every week.I took it every two weeks at the earliest, always was super patient for just the right moment.
 
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