What is your faith and beliefs? What do you trust? Whats your spirituality? O.M.G.

[Dislexicmidget2021]

Imo, he's done dealing with ignorance from unqualified people, he's been one of the leading biological scientists in the world for over 3 decades and his discipline is one of the main topics that gets debated in science because people think biology is subjective. His reaction is completely understandable.

How would you feel if for 30 years you've been telling people 2+2=4 and they've insisted you're wrong? Not only that but they've called you immoral for teaching it and said you're going to Hell to burn forever? Do you think it would make you feel a little bit annoyed if you spent over a decade in advanced formal education from one of the best universities in the world studying something everyday, day in day out, then someone who has never spent a single day in a college classroom tells you their opinion on the subject is just as valid as yours is?

I would be dam well annoyed by the line of rationale that allows someone to enable that sort of self ignorance within themselves.

 

[Nevaeh420]

He has an egotistical complex,He is afterall the Son of God scientist and telling him other wise only brings his hands to hid ears as he starts chattering jibberish really quick to himself to forget what he has just read.He wants to stay in his special happy land forever.

Why thank you!

Thats the nicest thing you have said to Me so far!

~PEACE~

 

[tyler.durden]

I don't have any beliefs at all because if you have a particular belief, then that closes your mind to any other belief. For example, if you believe jesus was the only son of god or whatever the story is, and that his mom had an immaculate conception.... then that closes your mind to the belief that jesus was just a regular human being... or if you believe that jesus was just a regular human being like us, then that closes your mind to the belief that he really was the only son of god and his mom was impregnated by god.... or if you believe in god then that closes your mind to the belief that there is no god.

I agree when you believe one thing, you generally close yourself off from their opposing beliefs (except when someone subconsciously holds opposing beliefs and is dealing with cognitive dissonance). But we cannot simply choose to believe something: I could not choose to believe that the Abrahamic god exists at this time, as there is no reasoning that makes sense to me for this to be the case. It's the same with the theists here, they cannot choose to stop believing simply because we say they shouldn't, they have not internalized the reasons and arguments against their belief to an extent sufficient enough to let them change their minds. That could be because they do not understand our opposing information, or do not believe it is valid, hide from or ignore it, etc.. But we all either believe something or we don't for any claim that is made. I'd think that we'd all agree that we believe the sun is coming up tomorrow, or that at this moment your car is right where you parked it. Those things may or may not be true, but right now we all either believe that those things are true or they are not...

 

[skuba]

It's not that your arguments aren't valid, but simply that you can't prove something doesn't in my opinion disprove it either.

 

[cannabineer]

It's not that your arguments aren't valid, but simply that you can't prove something doesn't in my opinion disprove it either.

However between outright proof and disproof there are levels of plausibility. Bertram's teapot is a good example of something that cannot be disproven, but that is neither plausible nor advances the philosophy. Jmo. cn

 

[skunkd0c]

Belief, is a system put into place when there is an absence of fact, its a human trait designed to help cope with our natural inbuilt fears when we are unable to predict the future

an atheist believes that god does not exist, an atheist also has a belief system, as weather god exists or not can't be proven
i am neither an atheist nor do i believe in god, or the tooth fairy

i do not know if god exists or not, i very much doubt the christian god exists, i do not know enough about other religions to comment on them
if the Christian god does exist, I personally am not willing to accept the current contract as it stands "the bible" and i will be negotiating a new contract

why would anyone want to obey another ? unless they gain pleasure from a submissive personality trait

it is rather worrying how many religious folk appear "brainwashed"
the hysterical smile, those glazed eyes ... jebuszombies .. run !

IF I negotiate a new contract with your Christian god, i am sending you all to HELL
i will bribe your god using the currency of virgins , gods like that kind of thing

peace

 

[tyler.durden]

It's not that your arguments aren't valid, but simply that you can't prove something doesn't in my opinion disprove it either.

Like Neer said, we can't disprove elves, dragons, smurfs, fairies, or werewolves. Just because things aren't disproven doesn't give them any validity. It is up to the party making the claim to provide proof, it's not up to the audience to disprove...

 

[Beefbisquit]

Belief, is a system put into place when there is an absence of fact, its a human trait designed to help cope with our natural inbuilt fears when we are unable to predict the future

an atheist believes that god does not exist, an atheist also has a belief system, as weather god exists or not can't be proven
i am neither an atheist nor do i believe in god, or the tooth fairy

i do not know if god exists or not, i very much doubt the christian god exists, i do not know enough about other religions to comment on them
if the Christian god does exist, I personally am not willing to accept the current contract as it stands "the bible" and i will be negotiating a new contract

why would anyone want to obey another ? unless they gain pleasure from a submissive personality trait

it is rather worrying how many religious folk appear "brainwashed"
the hysterical smile, those glazed eyes ... jebuszombies .. run !

IF I negotiate a new contract with your Christian god, i am sending you all to HELL
i will bribe your god using the currency of virgins , gods like that kind of thing

peace

A-theist means without theism. Nothing else.

If you are not a theist, you are atheist by default.

That's to say, unless you answer the question; "Are you a theist?" with "yes", you are an atheist.

 

[NietzscheKeen]

Why am I always late to the party?

 

[Beefbisquit]

Why am I always late to the party?

Geez man, lay off the Neitzsche and start reading some Kant... lol Maybe his impeccable promptness will rub off on you! hehehe

 

[burgertime2010]

The more you explain god to us the more I hope you are his son. It takes guts to come out and say what you believe especially in this context. If this is how you define yourself than so be it......go to work and play the part 100%. The world needs you. It is interesting to me that worship has found a place in all cultures of antiquity and God seems almost hard wired to the human race. My belief is that you are connecting to this ancient impulse and interpreting it in ways that are at odds with most, perhaps even yourself. The song is yours alone and a logical alienation may be overdue for you. At God, I enjoy only another enigma...the undefinable and the collectives' reaction. The human condition is not evidence of anything that I can hold sacred, however neither is science. The irrational, nonlinear, binary becomes the story of wisdom over truth and truth over wisdom. Within, I see faith not as an empty prescription but as an inner certainty. I see science as an inner prescription for empty certainty. In simpler terms, the opposing forces of logic and faith combine in my experience. In my artwork, the process is very telling. I have completed the work before I start, the sculpture exists completed masterfully and i marinate in that emotive eventuality. That power and fullfillment will be directed into and reflected by my work and this is a certainty, or my faith. My aptitude developed in a punctuation and "spirituality" at first was an aesthetic to me. The mind would see innovations in technique and process as each new, more complex, form demanded. This, was happening too fast to make sense of. I sought an abstraction that encoded my concept in the aesthetic. Anyway, I took time away and came back 2 months later. In this absence, the tactile and cereberal aspects of my old work had merged and sunk deep within. The work that emerged were inspired....interdimensional, organic, Cretaceous, mythical splashes channelled from far reaches in time-space. Somehow, I was at peace without answers. The manifestations, the quantum logic, surrender, the channels, and faith...I was connected. What I couldnt believe was how many people were in the dark, working backwards, like line minds in black-and white conciousness.

 

[burgertime2010]

Everyone gets sidetracked by all these religious leaders or wannabe Christ figures, scriptures and the like. If you don't know about your spirit, you just don't know about it. there's no science to prove it, and not everything in the universe can be logically explained or defined. Just because something can't be measured doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and the fact that you haven't perceived it doesn't make it nonexistent either. The spirit is felt, not thought up.

It is frustrating for me to see proof required for such things as spirit, so much rides on that becoming the only way. It indicates a disconnect from humanity, not because of the spirit, but the quantum science where logic fails and perception is not effective.

 

[Beefbisquit]

The more you explain god to us the more I hope you are his son. It takes guts to come out and say what you believe especially in this context. If this is how you define yourself than so be it......go to work and play the part 100%. The world needs you. It is interesting to me that worship has found a place in all cultures of antiquity and God seems almost hard wired to the human race. My belief is that you are connecting to this ancient impulse and interpreting it in ways that are at odds with most, perhaps even yourself. The song is yours alone and a logical alienation may be overdue for you. At God, I enjoy only another enigma...the undefinable and the collectives' reaction. The human condition is not evidence of anything that I can hold sacred, however neither is science. The irrational, nonlinear, binary becomes the story of wisdom over truth and truth over wisdom. Within, I see faith not as an empty prescription but as an inner certainty. I see science as an inner prescription for empty certainty. In simpler terms, the opposing forces of logic and faith combine in my experience. In my artwork, the process is very telling. I have completed the work before I start, the sculpture exists completed masterfully and i marinate in that emotive eventuality. That power and fullfillment will be directed into and reflected by my work and this is a certainty, or my faith. My aptitude developed in a punctuation and "spirituality" at first was an aesthetic to me. The mind would see innovations in technique and process as each new, more complex, form demanded. This, was happening too fast to make sense of. I sought an abstraction that encoded my concept in the aesthetic. Anyway, I took time away and came back 2 months later. In this absence, the tactile and cereberal aspects of my old work had merged and sunk deep within. The work that emerged were inspired....interdimensional, organic, Cretaceous, mythical splashes channelled from far reaches in time-space. Somehow, I was at peace without answers. The manifestations, the quantum logic, surrender, the channels, and faith...I was connected. What I couldnt believe was how many people were in the dark, working backwards, like line minds in black-and white conciousness.

It is frustrating for me to see proof required for such things as spirit, so much rides on that becoming the only way. It indicates a disconnect from humanity, not because of the spirit, but the quantum science where logic fails and perception is not effective.

Wow, you speak in metaphors and half-truths very well. Too much Chopra and Tolle for you!

 

[burgertime2010]

Things that exist need to have physical properties. What role does the spirit play? Perhaps a better question is; what does the spirit 'do' that we haven't already attributed to something else physical? When do we get our spirits? Do they magically appear into the fetus at conception? Maybe the fetus gets a spirit after the first trimester? At which exact point does the spirit manifest? Do animals have spirits? If not, at what point during evolution did we develop a spirit? Some more questions; Humans are wrong about so many feelings we have; someone is behind us, someone is watching us, gut feelings, etc., but we can prove that these feelings are just that; feelings. They do not have a direct correlation with reality (anymore than a statistical anomaly). How do you know that when you're 'feeling' your soul, you're not actually incorrectly attributing the stimulation to what you want to believe? You are correct, just because we can't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, BUT if the soul is a tangible thing, and manifests itself in reality, it is measurable to some extent. We might not know how to yet, but if it interacts with the physical reality in any way, it is measurable. If it doesn't interact with the physical world in any way, i.e. doesn't affect our decisions, or is unable to cause causal reactions in the universe, then for all intents and purposes, it might as well be non-existent. It would certainly share all the properties with something that doesn't exist... non-detectable, doesn't affect reality, etc. I could make the exact same argument for anything imaginary. The universe is actually made of invisible, vibrating, pink unicorns. They're immeasurable and invisible, but if you're perceptive you can feel them. I can't teach you how to feel them, you either can or you can't. It doesn't necessarily mean that invisible, vibrating, pink unicorns don't exist, but it certainly gives us no reason to believe they do exist. Until you can show positive evidence that spirits or souls do exist, all your doing is showing we can't disprove them; which is a piss poor reason to believe something exists, or we'd all believe in magical, vibrating, pink unicorns.

The existence of a spirit is not the problem you ouught to be thinking about. These questions indicate an unwillingness to entertain notions that science hasn't conquered. In your arrogance, you just throw a bunch of condescending, simplistic questions/statements out there....what's immeasurable isn't imaginary, Read about Leptons, quarks, neutrinos, quantum physics.....there exists many theories that you will negate. Just to point out that if soul/spirit did exist it would interact with the tangible world because it interacted with you. It is not your duty to qualify grey area, especially in this style. Take a breath.....scientists recently observed a particle exceeding the speed of light by a lot but was not validated because they claimed it was incapable of carrying information. Perhaps certainty is foolish.

 

[burgertime2010]

Wow, you speak in metaphors and half-truths very well. Too much Chopra and Tolle for you!

I speak my personal truth(what the thread is about). You dont speak well at all, perhaps you should engage someone with the intention to converse. You are just a chickenhawk.

 

[Beefbisquit]

I speak my personal truth(what the thread is about). You dont speak well at all, perhaps you should engage someone with the intention to converse. You are just a chickenhawk.

I am a chickenhawk for bullshit, and I've zeroed in on my next kill.

 

[Beefbisquit]

The existence of a spirit is not the problem you ouught to be thinking about. These questions indicate an unwillingness to entertain notions that science hasn't conquered. In your arrogance, you just throw a bunch of condescending, simplistic questions/statements out there....what's immeasurable isn't imaginary, Read about Leptons, quarks, neutrinos, quantum physics.....there exists many theories that you will negate. Just to point out that if soul/spirit did exist it would interact with the tangible world because it interacted with you. It is not your duty to qualify grey area, especially in this style. Take a breath.....scientists recently observed a particle exceeding the speed of light by a lot but was not validated because they claimed it was incapable of carrying information. Perhaps certainty is foolish.

If it interacts with reality, it is measurable. This says nothing about our ability to construct a device to measure, only that things that exist must have properties. I've done considerable reading (at a layman's level) into physics, as I find it incredibly interesting.

I don't negate the theories, because they don't claim to fall outside of the realm of science. Science only deals with what is testable, it doesn't invoke mental masturbation.

You are correct, if the soul existed it would indeed have a causal relation to the universe in some way. We have yet to see that interaction, and therefore have no reason to believe that such an entity/collection of unknown things, exists.

Those particles were measured incorrectly, and CERN has retracted their statements.

http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/new-cern-test-finds-particles-didnt-move-faster-than-light-1.php

EDIT: Grey area? What grey area? Rational people don't believe things without justification. When there is reasonable evidence to support the idea that spirits could exist, there can be a serious descussion as to the validity of their existence. For now, it's just 'I have no proof except a funny feeling, but want to believe in spirits anyway', A.K.A. bullshit.

 

[NietzscheKeen]

I speak my personal truth(what the thread is about). You dont speak well at all, perhaps you should engage someone with the intention to converse. You are just a chickenhawk.

Lol, Beef is one of the most well spoken individuals on this site in my opinion. The emperor is naked burgertime.

 

[burgertime2010]

What's the point? I am not arguing on behalf of anything, You assume that I want to engage you....rather I want to see if you treat anonymous people with contempt because you can here without consequence. My half-truths will gladly embarrass you as you zero-in on other tangental shit. Don't condescend and expect to have no one call you out...you had a choice, you chose to be a prick.

 

[burgertime2010]

Lol, Beef is one of the most well spoken individuals on this site in my opinion. The emperor is naked burgertime.[/QUOTE Naked Emperor Burgertime?