What is your faith and beliefs? What do you trust? Whats your spirituality? O.M.G.

[Beefbisquit]

What's the point? I am not arguing on behalf of anything, You assume that I want to engage you....rather I want to see if you treat anonymous people with contempt because you can here without consequence. My half-truths will gladly embarrass you as you zero-in on other tangental shit. Don't condescend and expect to have no one call you out...you had a choice, you chose to be a prick.

Feel free to call me out on anything I say, this is a public forum I would expect nothing less.

And when you present wishy washy, pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo, expect to be called out on it. I don't care if you want to engage me or not, I will continue to critique anything you, or anyone for that matter, writes on this forum.

 

[burgertime2010]

If it interacts with reality, it is measurable. This says nothing about our ability to construct a device to measure, only that things that exist must have properties. I've done considerable reading (at a layman's level) into physics, as I find it incredibly interesting. I don't negate the theories, because they don't claim to fall outside of the realm of science. Science only deals with what is testable, it doesn't invoke mental masturbation. You are correct, if the soul existed it would indeed have a causal relation to the universe in some way. We have yet to see that interaction, and therefore have no reason to believe that such an entity/collection of unknown things, exists. Those particles were measured incorrectly, and CERN has retracted their statements. http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/new-cern-test-finds-particles-didnt-move-faster-than-light-1.php EDIT: Grey area? What grey area? Rational people don't believe things without justification. When there is reasonable evidence to support the idea that spirits could exist, there can be a serious descussion as to the validity of their existence. For now, it's just 'I have no proof except a funny feeling, but want to believe in spirits anyway', A.K.A. bullshit.

Again, I understand but dont actually care...the problem with someone who went to Wikipedia High is people skills and no creativity. You are boring, Extend yourself, take a risk, play devils advocate, say something mildly amusing that is not a knee-jerk hack at the last comment made.

 

[Beefbisquit]

Again, I understand but dont actually care...the problem with someone who went to Wikipedia High is people skills and no creativity. You are boring, Extend yourself, take a risk, play devils advocate, say something mildly amusing that is not a knee-jerk hack at the last comment made.

I am not a sophist. My worldview is aligned with reality, not with what suits me best. If you wish to align your worldview with non-reality, expect to get called out on it when trying to explain real things.

If by calling me boring you mean factual, I am guilty.

 

[burgertime2010]

Feel free to call me out on anything I say, this is a public forum I would expect nothing less. And when you present wishy washy, pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo, expect to be called out on it. I don't care if you want to engage me or not, I will continue to critique anything you, or anyone for that matter, writes on this forum.

Be specific please. Pseudo science? Half truths? I hope intellectuals call me out next time. It's ok, I know what a birdfeeder feels like now. I love when you threaten me, ahh cyberspace.

 

[burgertime2010]

I am not a sophist. My worldview is aligned with reality, not with what suits me best. If you wish to align your worldview with non-reality, expect to get called out on it when trying to explain real things. If by calling me boring you mean factual, I am guilty.

You know nothing about me or my worldview turbo so pump the brakes. I never asked about yours. Next time, pick the I love reality for know-it-all assholes thread

 

[Beefbisquit]

Be specific please. Pseudo science? Half truths? I hope intellectuals call me out next time. It's ok, I know what a birdfeeder feels like now. I love when you threaten me, ahh cyberspace.

Threat? If by me responding to what you write constitutes a threat to you, you are a strange one indeed.

Your entire first post is mish mash of metaphors and vagueness. Virtually nothing you wrote can be taken literally and needs some form of interpretation. You will find, in this section especially, a hard-lined skeptic presence amongst its regulars. If you get upset easily at people picking apart what you say, you might try to save yourself some 'butthurt' and forget about this little experience altogether.

No one is going to blow smoke up your ass to make you feel good.

You know nothing about me or my worldview turbo so pump the brakes. I never asked about yours. Next time, pick the I love reality for know-it-all assholes thread

If you weren't explaining something about your beliefs/worldview, what the hell was that first post about? Was it completely made up? Does that post not express how you feel? From over here it seems to say at least a little about your worldview.

EDIT: You also said that my questions in THIS post were condescending. I strongly disagree, and it was not my intention to come across as condescending. If we posit the soul to exist, these would be extremely important questions that have to do with one of the most fundamental breakthroughs of our time.

Not to mention, they should be fairly simply questions to answer if the soul is real.

 

[burgertime2010]

It is my personal experiential reality....like it or not you don't agree or whatever I am unchanged.....at the core of my post is relevance at least, look you can say anything you want just for christs sake make it incisive. Do you ever post anything non-reactionary.? I am who I am...deal with it. You would not like anything I say anyway I put it. My facts, my life, my art. I am odd...but dont worry its not my soul.

 

[burgertime2010]

Threat? If by me responding to what you write constitutes a threat to you, you are a strange one indeed. Your entire first post is mish mash of metaphors and vagueness. Virtually nothing you wrote can be taken literally and needs some form of interpretation. You will find, in this section especially, a hard-lined skeptic presence amongst its regulars. If you get upset easily at people picking apart what you say, you might try to save yourself some 'butthurt' and forget about this little experience altogether. No one is going to blow smoke up your ass to make you feel good. If you weren't explaining something about your beliefs/worldview, what the hell was that first post about? Was it completely made up? Does that post not express how you feel? From over here it seems to say at least a little about your worldview. EDIT: You also said that my questions in THIS post were condescending. I strongly disagree, and it was not my intention to come across as condescending. If we posit the soul to exist, these would be extremely important questions that have to do with one of the most fundamental breakthroughs of our time. Not to mention, they should be fairly simply questions to answer if the soul is real.

It says a very little bit yes.

 

[Beefbisquit]

It is my personal experiential reality....like it or not you don't agree or whatever I am unchanged.....at the core of my post is relevance at least, look you can say anything you want just for christs sake make it incisive. Do you ever post anything non-reactionary.? I am who I am...deal with it. You would not like anything I say anyway I put it. My facts, my life, my art. I am odd...but dont worry its not my soul.

It says a very little bit yes.

I'm not trying to convert you, I'm trying to show other people that might consider your world view, that it's unrealistic. You have made your bed (and your ad hominem attacks) and you're free to sleep in it.

 

[burgertime2010]

Damn straight, I dont think the missionary work is gonna pay off for you. I am a bad example....I have art all over the world, I write for magazines, I have representation and talent...people might not see the truth as you do. Afterall I, don't believe in god.....just what I experience. The unrealistic part is telling people who don't need/care to understand. On the flipside, there are enough who know me well and see it for themselves. Did you get what you wanted?

 

[Beefbisquit]

Damn straight, I dont think the missionary work is gonna pay off for you. I am a bad example....I have art all over the world, I write for magazines, I have representation and talent...people might not see the truth as you do. Afterall I, don't believe in god.....just what I experience.

Never wanted to be a preacher, although I was raised Baptist....

For questions like; 'Does the soul exist' or 'Does god exist', it doesn't matter how people 'see' it, because the existence of these things does not hinge upon a belief to give them substance. That is, there is an objective answer for these questions. If they exist, they exist; if they don't, they don't.

What does your art have to do with your belief system? Is this supposed to be some form of argument from authority? Maybe I'm missing something.

EDIT: Sorry, you were editing while I was writing. About your unrealistic comment;

Do you mean people on this forum that don't need/care to know? Most of the people who read or comment in the Philosophy/Spirituality section have at least some kind of interest in what is being discussed.

 

[burgertime2010]

Never wanted to be a preacher, although I was raised Baptist.... For questions like; 'Does the soul exist' or 'Does god exist', it doesn't matter how people 'see' it, because the existence of these things does not hinge upon a belief to give them substance. That is, there is an objective answer for these questions. If they exist, they exist; if they don't, they don't. What does your art have to do with your belief system? Is this supposed to be some form of argument from authority? Maybe I'm missing something. EDIT: Sorry, you were editing while I was writing. About your unrealistic comment; Do you mean people on this forum that don't need/care to know? Most of the people who read or comment in the Philosophy/Spirituality section have at least some kind of interest in what is being discussed.

The truth for both of us is WE dont know, I feel you have misunderstood my post in that the 1st 1/2 is reply and about the son of Jesus. The latter half is personal, I don't speak at all really about the formative process and most who understand me saw me through it, they are the people to talk to. Authority?? No.

 

[burgertime2010]

Never wanted to be a preacher, although I was raised Baptist.... For questions like; 'Does the soul exist' or 'Does god exist', it doesn't matter how people 'see' it, because the existence of these things does not hinge upon a belief to give them substance. That is, there is an objective answer for these questions. If they exist, they exist; if they don't, they don't. What does your art have to do with your belief system? Is this supposed to be some form of argument from authority? Maybe I'm missing something. EDIT: Sorry, you were editing while I was writing. About your unrealistic comment; Do you mean people on this forum that don't need/care to know? Most of the people who read or comment in the Philosophy/Spirituality section have at least some kind of interest in what is being discussed.

As a hard-lined skeptic I don't see the allure for you here. Are you interested in Spirituality at all?

 

[retrofuzz]

I use runes for a bit of guidance and divination

 

[retrofuzz]

I always have a penny in my pocket as a quick yes/no oracle,all about belief ey.

 

[burgertime2010]

I always have a penny in my pocket as a quick yes/no oracle,all about belief ey.

I used to open I Ching.

 

[Beefbisquit]

As a hard-lined skeptic I don't see the allure for you here. Are you interested in Spirituality at all?

I am a Philosophy buff, I majored in it in University. Philosophy is about living an examined life.

I believe spiritual experience is very real, and can be profound but has no basis in the supernatural.


You are correct, we don't know for sure if god does, or does not exist - much like the soul. However, the default position on any claim is non-belief until the belief has reasonable evidence to support it.

If someone came up to you on the street and said, "I can fly, but I refuse to show you," would you believe him? Most people would say no, because belief isn't warranted until some evidence is shown. If you hold your beliefs because of personal revelation, that may be enough evidence to fulfil the burden of proof for you, but not for anyone else. Evidence can be shown to other people.

Now, the problem with personal revelation is that it's completely subjective. Based on the fact that most people have no idea what confirmation biases or the myriad of other psychological 'trickery' is, or even a fundamental idea of how the brain works, most peoples 'revelations' can be attributed to some natural phenomenon that they are ignorant of.

 

[Chief Walkin Eagle]

As a hard-lined skeptic I don't see the allure for you here. Are you interested in Spirituality at all?

They are interested in guiding people away from any form of spirituality because their basic and materialistic tools cannot probe and dissect the things that relate to spirituality, so they conclude that things like souls probably do not exist and any discussion about forms of spirituality shouldnt be taken seriously at all. BUT I think they know that what ever belief you have, you have your mind made up. Atheists are atheists, agnostics are agnostics, Christians are Christians. They know thats not gunna change no matter what argument is presented so IMO, its just a skeptical circle jerk with one hand on your own junk and the other hand playing with a fellow skeptics balls...

 

[tyler.durden]

They are interested in guiding people away from any form of spirituality because their basic and materialistic tools cannot probe and dissect the things that relate to spirituality, so they conclude that things like souls probably do not exist and any discussion about forms of spirituality shouldnt be taken seriously at all. BUT I think they know that what ever belief you have, you have your mind made up. Atheists are atheists, agnostics are agnostics, Christians are Christians. They know thats not gunna change no matter what argument is presented so IMO, its just a skeptical circle jerk with one hand on your own junk and the other hand playing with a fellow skeptics balls...

The skeptics here seem to be steering folks away from bullshit, i.e. notions that undisciplined, desperate people pull out of their ass and attempt to present as reality. If your version of spirituality falls under that umbrella, so be it. AFAIK, only one person on this forum has radically changed their position (Hep, from theist to atheist) in large part because of these talks, but who knows how many lurkers are influenced, as well? The skeptics aren't the only one's participating in the circle, oftentimes retarded 'spiritual' and 'enlightened' dudes will show up to out do us, as they proceed to see how far one can shove their head up the other one's ass...

 

[retrofuzz]

I used to open I Ching.

Did you give it up?