defoliation? yes/no and techniques

[Dboi87]

I want that type of shit. Indicas are played out. I remember when I first started smoking every once in a while the local dealers would get some stuff that either had you giggling your ass off or super noid. My girlfriend smoked that shit the first time she ever smoked and thought she was dying cause she got like an anxiety attack from the initial onset. Man I wish I could find strains like that to grow again.... maybe ill start buying mystery brick weed again.... or not

 

[JonnyAppleSeed420]

Man this is truly misunderstood isn't it? Proof? Isn't a single person coming on here, stating he increased his yield by removing leaves, that's proof in his eyes isn't it? The word defoliate has been taken out of context, just like so many other words in our language, so quit bickering about context and meaning. This word was used because it represents what your actions are doing to the plant and to differentiate a difference between pruning and removal. Actually proper defoliation will include more growing shoots then leaves, this technique is to train your plants not to allow light penetration. I have shown correct technique to many of my clients and they ALL have been able to increase yield. Correctly done your plants will be healthier, happier and you will be pleasantly surprised at how much of a difference it can make. On a side note if you did not see any benefit from de-foliating your indoor garden, you should take a botany class to understand the basic needs of any plant..JAS

 

[chuck estevez]

Man this is truly misunderstood isn't it? Proof? Isn't a single person coming on here, stating he increased his yield by removing leaves, that's proof in his eyes isn't it? The word defoliate has been taken out of context, just like so many other words in our language, so quit bickering about context and meaning. This word was used because it represents what your actions are doing to the plant and to differentiate a difference between pruning and removal. Actually proper defoliation will include more growing shoots then leaves, this technique is to train your plants not to allow light penetration. I have shown correct technique to many of my clients and they ALL have been able to increase yield. Correctly done your plants will be healthier, happier and you will be pleasantly surprised at how much of a difference it can make. On a side note if you did not see any benefit from de-foliating your indoor garden, you should take a botany class to understand the basic needs of any plant..JAS

YOU should heed your own advise. UB, who ALWAYS says to read and study botany is totally against this so called technique. I think He knows WAY more than you about plants. I have seen the results of his advise. I saw the opposite when using yours. HMMMMMM??

 

[lilroach]

Man this is truly misunderstood isn't it? Proof? Isn't a single person coming on here, stating he increased his yield by removing leaves, that's proof in his eyes isn't it? The word defoliate has been taken out of context, just like so many other words in our language, so quit bickering about context and meaning. This word was used because it represents what your actions are doing to the plant and to differentiate a difference between pruning and removal. Actually proper defoliation will include more growing shoots then leaves, this technique is to train your plants not to allow light penetration. I have shown correct technique to many of my clients and they ALL have been able to increase yield. Correctly done your plants will be healthier, happier and you will be pleasantly surprised at how much of a difference it can make. On a side note if you did not see any benefit from de-foliating your indoor garden, you should take a botany class to understand the basic needs of any plant..JAS

Wow.....it's like watching the same bad movie over and over again. I believe I know who Uncle Ben is, and if I'm right, he's taught the botany classes you're telling him he should attend. Uncle Ben has a lot of high-end credibility outside RIU as a botanist.

Why is it so hard for those that favor defoliating to at least try Uncle Ben's suggestions as I have? One grow doing what he tells you and you'll be on here waving the Uncle Ben's flag like I am. Seriously....just one grow doing exactly what he says to do...if you're not willing, then may I suggest you shut the fuck up.

 

[RedCarpetMatches]

Uncle Ben....

I've wanted to ask you a somewhat non-related question about growing, but you do not accept PM's. So while this thread has your attention, I'd like to ask your opinion of light-movers.

While I like the fact that I can cover more plants with my lights, I get the nagging feeling that a light-mover slows the flowering process. Have you read or experimented with light-movers?

I apologies for going off-subject.

If your not doing scrog you could always turn your pots.

 

[Dboi87]

Hey chuck whatever happened to riddle? There was no follow up on the email

 

[jacksthc]

I just love junk science, and with every new crop of newbs.........

without trying new ways of growing, you only know what others have told you.
just because you don't know how to defoliation a plant, you tell everyone it does not work

but I am sure you think everyone here is a newbie compared to you and they should do as you tell them, your view are very wrong and there are loads of growers on other grow sites
that use defoliation and get some good yields

I am one of them and I was a newbie many years ago

 

[hyroot]

Just let these guys do what they want. Us experienced growers know defoliation is a joke. These guys are young and stubborn and won't listen to logic. They will eventually learn from the error of their ways. Best results come from mimicing nature. Walk into the woods and see how many defoliated trees and plants there are. Absolutely zero.....!

 

[lilroach]

If your not doing scrog you could always turn your pots.

I already have light movers, and am doing a perpetual grow so a scrog really isn't for me.

 

[jacksthc]

Just let these guys do what they want. Us experienced growers know defoliation is a joke. These guys are young and stubborn and won't listen to logic. They will eventually learn from the error of their ways. Best results come from mimicing nature. Walk into the woods and see how many defoliated trees and plants there are. Absolutely zero.....!

OMG are you for real

every bush/tree with a dense canopy defoliation itself, as any leaves that don't get a good amount of light go brown and full off, pull back any bush with a thick canopy and look in side at all the leaves
the bush has defoliation itself to save energy and help with airflow

 

[jacksthc]

I already have light movers, and am doing a perpetual grow so a scrog really isn't for me.

why don't you do single plants scrog in a perpetual setup, not hard when you top and lst the plants in veg

 

[Javadog]

I do think that these plants grow leaves in part in order to support reproducing.
That is what The Hokey Pokey Is All About, after all, isn't it?

This being said, the idea that "leaves are the enemy of flowers" is just
not true as it stands.

Yes, there are *clearly* shades of gray here.

I think that if there is any underlying commonality here, it is that, like
the argument for or against main-lining, no side of the argument
is wrong, and that both approaches work.

What one ends up seeing is subtle shifts in either how long the crop cycle
takes to complete or whether the weight of the yield is concentrated in
fewer, larger buds versus more, smaller buds.

Oh yeah, can anyone tell me how to ignore a thread? At the Shroomery,
one just clicks the portion of the Thread in the threads list that will normally
clear all posts as read *when there are no unread posts* and that will
pop up a dialog asking you to confirm that you want to ignore that thread.

Anyhoo, good luck all!

JD

 

[Vincent VonBlown]

If defoliation doesn't work, why is it, I can find tons of pictures that shows it does. But not one picture of any failures with it??? Your just a faker if you can't show pictures...

 

[jacksthc]

a great way of growing is to top, defoliation and lst in that order and called main-lining and every loves it, work that one out

 

[Sativied]

every bush/tree with a dense canopy defoliates itself [...] the bush has defoliated itself to save energy and help with airflow

ITSELF... Itself... itself... itself... when it feels necessary and airflow is restricted (which with mj means you got too many plants/branches, not too many leaves) and not to improve fruit size or whatever you leaf-pluckers 'belief' to gain from voluntarily fucking up your plants.

If defoliation doesn't work, why is it, I can find tons of pictures that shows it does. But not one picture of any failures with it??? Your just a faker if you can't show pictures...

The only thing you see in those pictures is buds 'despite' defoliation. There's no picture that shows defoliation works. Something like that cannot even be proven with a single picture. Ridiculous...

a great way of growing is to top, defoliation and lst in that order and called main-lining and every loves it, work that one out

Grasping... removing a few leaves from what will obviously become stem at the very bottom is not 'defoliation'.

Adding more than one tag doesn't emphasize it any more than 1, and it sure as hell doesn't make it true... but hey... keep pressing that I button, maybe you'll get bigger buds from that too

 

[JonnyAppleSeed420]

Understanding why one does the things they do indoors only comes from experience...indoors. Outdoor growers have a different attitude towards this logic and is what I see as the most underlying issue between growers and attitudes. If you look at this indoor growing logically, logic dictates a proper environment is first and foremost, would we not all agree to this? How we achieve this is an individual choice. Proper defoliation is just one aspect of having a smooth running garden. When used correctly it can be a valuable tool and when abused...well you get the idea. Its just another tool in your tool pouch. JAS

 

[thump easy]

Just let these guys do what they want. Us experienced growers know defoliation is a joke. These guys are young and stubborn and won't listen to logic. They will eventually learn from the error of their ways. Best results come from mimicing nature. Walk into the woods and see how many defoliated trees and plants there are. Absolutely zero.....!

i care to differ and i challenge anyone that doesnt deleaf on the battle field LETS BATTLE AND PUT YOUR NUGS WERE YOUR MOUTH IS??? LETS DO BIG BOYS IM ALWAY OF FOR A BATTLE LETS PUT IT TO THE TEST RUN UP OR SHUT UP>> HOME BOY!! BRING YOUR BEST GEAR TO THE TABLE!!! NAME YOUR TERMS PRO GROWERS LETS BATTLE IM READY LET PUT IT TO THE TEST!!! WHO WANTS TO BATTLE ME??NAME YOUR STRAIN?? NAME YOUR TECHNIQUE?? AND LETS GET DOWN TO BIZZNESS.. LIKE REAL MEN LET BATTLE IN THE GARDENS!!!

 

[hyroot]

OMG are you for real

every bush/tree with a dense canopy defoliation itself, as any leaves that don't get a good amount of light go brown and full off, pull back any bush with a thick canopy and look in side at all the leaves
the bush has defoliation itself to save energy and help with airflow

that's not defoliation. That's leaves dying after the plant used its energy. Lush green leaves don't fall off. its yellowing and brown leavea that fall off on their own. then break down into the soil and provides nutes and bennies for plants and trees. Defoliation is physically pulling off leaves. I don't pull any leaves at all. I let them fall off on their own. Let nature take its course.

 

[333maxwell]

i care to differ and i challenge anyone that doesnt deleaf on the battle field LETS BATTLE AND PUT YOUR NUGS WERE YOUR MOUTH IS??? LETS DO BIG BOYS IM ALWAY OF FOR A BATTLE LETS PUT IT TO THE TEST RUN UP OR SHUT UP>> HOME BOY!! BRING YOUR BEST GEAR TO THE TABLE!!!

I already grow some of the best grass in the world and more than I know what to do with and end up tossing lbs down the disposal every year.. I'm not sure I get the point..

 

[Sativied]

i care to differ and i challenge anyone that doesnt deleaf on the battle field LETS BATTLE AND PUT YOUR NUGS WERE YOUR MOUTH IS??? LETS DO BIG BOYS IM ALWAY OF FOR A BATTLE LETS PUT IT TO THE TEST RUN UP OR SHUT UP>> HOME BOY!! BRING YOUR BEST GEAR TO THE TABLE!!!

Wth thump... did you take English classes? Getting better...

Your challenge however is meaningless, obviously wouldn't prove anything because there are many other factors when comparing results. Here's a challenge for you: do a side by side with clones in same medium, same nutes, same amount of water, etc, etc, etc, etc, and then defoliate half and not the other. I'm not saying that there are no circumstances or perhaps even strains for which removing some leaves might be beneficial, but defoliating as a standard applied technique to increase yields is ludicrous and anything but proven by some kids going into a pissing contest (which is what you suggest as proving that it works which should tell you something...).