4'x'4 Gorilla Grow Tent || Blue Dream ScROG || First Grow

[ScoobyDoobyDoo]

what up triple "C", looking groovy in here. hey, i'd feed here just water for right now. my opinion is it's one of 3 things (nute burn, humidity, or temps/light). i'd back off the nutes and see how she does. what is the temp in the room with the lights on? what is the humidity? how far from the bulb is your plant? what size bulb is it? answer those questions and i can probably narrow it down a little better. sorry if you already went through this, i didn't get a chance to read through the entire thread yet.

don't worry about changing to 7 gallon pots just yet. your plants are too small. putting them in a pot that big can only create problems. the roots can soak up the water fast enough out of that much soil and you end up watering your plant every week or two as opposed to every few days. your plants don't go looking for water which stunts their growth and can also lead to root rot cause they stay damp too long.

 

[CCCmints]

Your defiantly right on the razors edge of burning them. I would not up the strength of your solution for a couple weeks.

So the tips of your leaves..see how they get thinner rather quickly and some are pointing down... That is how experienced growers know it's time to back off a little. I would probably back off just a hair anyways. Plants DO NOT LIKE strong nutrient solution. It takes much more energy to uptake (active transport...from the biology class you never paid attention in). LOL

Also..you know that 35% of blah blah blah means nothing to allot of us right? Get a ppm pen and know exactly what the salinity of what your giving them is. That way you can write it down and learn (and it's good if you switch nute brands). There are like $30 or something. Maybe $50... Not that much.

I took some pics now I just have to post them. I'll show you my blue dream and some of the training I am doing.

Cheers

well shit bumping em up to 35% was a bad idea then. i guess i'll just pray they are ok then back off the nutes for a while. i thought they would want to be fed more than this. i guess i need to invest in a ppm meter. thing is i really don't have enough runoff ever to emerge a meter in. maybe i'm not watering enough? i don't really know how much runoff i'm supposed to have when watering. what nutrients do you recommend? everyone's giving me shit for the lucas formula.

what up triple "C", looking groovy in here. hey, i'd feed here just water for right now. my opinion is it's one of 3 things (nute burn, humidity, or temps/light). i'd back off the nuts and see how she does. what is the temp in the room with the lights on? what is the humidity? how far from the bulb is your plant? what size bulb is it? answer those questions and i can probably narrow it down a little better. sorry if you already went through this, i didn't get a chance to read through the entire thread yet.

don't worry about changing to 7 gallon pots just yet. your plants are too small. putting them in a pot that big can only create problems. the roots can soak up the water fast enough out of that much soil and you end up watering your plant every week or two as opposed to every few days. your plants don't go looking for water which stunts their growth and can also lead to root rot cause they stay damp too long.

yeah i'll do just water for a bit after they eat up this last feed of nutes..i doubt it will cause too many problems and am sure they will recover once i get them on straight water for a bit. temp in the room is usually 72-78 with lights on. 48% humidity almost everytime i check. i keep the bulb close, like >=3". 8-bulb t5 light with the mixed spectrum you recommended ages ago lol.

don't mind asking questions. i'll answer anything i enjoy replying to comments on the thread lol.

 

[ScoobyDoobyDoo]

well shit bumping em up to 35% was a bad idea then. i guess i'll just pray they are ok then back off the nutes for a while. i thought they would want to be fed more than this. i guess i need to invest in a ppm meter. thing is i really don't have enough runoff ever to emerge a meter in. maybe i'm not watering enough? i don't really know how much runoff i'm supposed to have when watering. what nutrients do you recommend? everyone's giving me shit for the lucas formula.

yeah i'll do just water for a bit after they eat up this last feed of nutes..i doubt it will cause too many problems and am sure they will recover once i get them on straight water for a bit. temp in the room is usually 72-78 with lights on. 48% humidity almost everytime i check. i keep the bulb close, like >=3". 8-bulb t5 light with the mixed spectrum you recommended ages ago lol.

don't mind asking questions. i'll answer anything i enjoy replying to comments on the thread lol.

yeah, it's your nutes in my opinion. i'd feed just water the next 2 times. in a pot that size with that plant you should be watering every 2-4 days i think. that's where i always like to be. could also be overwatering. how often to you water? ppm meters are to measure your nutes...don't use them to measure your runoff.

when watering just do it slowly till you get a little runoff. then you'll know about how much they need the next time. you want to almost let the pot dry out before watering again.

 

[MrEDuck]

Were they very dry when the yellowing appeared before? If the roots get too dry you see rapid catabolis of tissue resembling deficiency. If you bump feed in response you often get burn. Sorry for misreading. Pics aren't 100%...

 

[CCCmints]

yeah, it's your nutes in my opinion. i'd feed just water the next 2 times. in a pot that size with that plant you should be watering every 2-4 days i think. that's where i always like to be. could also be overwatering. how often to you water? ppm meters are to measure your nutes...don't use them to measure your runoff.

when watering just do it slowly till you get a little runoff. then you'll know about how much they need the next time. you want to almost let the pot dry out before watering again.

alright so feed on the 3rd watering? ok i see i will get a ppm meter then.

ok good that is what i've been doing. i definitely let the pot get real dry before watering again. really hope this nute thing doesn't burn the shit out of them...

Were they very dry when the yellowing appeared before? If the roots get too dry you see rapid catabolis of tissue resembling deficiency. If you bump feed in response you often get burn. Sorry for misreading. Pics aren't 100%...

yeah i should be getting an iphone 5 soon so pics may improve. until then nothing i can really do. as for the pots being dry i really don't know man i'm not sure...i clipped the dead yellow leaves off though and will get a ppm meter so i can better track what i'm giving to my plants.

 

[MrEDuck]

If the medium gets too dried out they lose green really fast. Dont let them get too dry. If you take clones leave one in a party cup and let it dry out too much and watch what happens. Fucking with clones is a great way to learn about plant response.

 

[legallyflying]

All good tips. Your kind of lucky really...part of me thinks you need to do a little more reading, learning on your own but since you are getting hints from people that actually know what is up, so I suppose your fine.

But when you say things like...I don't have enough runoff to use a PPM meter I'm like...WTF?

One of those things you would have read somewhere, most soil growers go 3-4 watering with nutes and then 1 watering with plain tap.

I'll post my blue dream pics today....maybe. I hate posting pics on this site as it's a cluster fuck pain in the ass.

 

[CCCmints]

All good tips. Your kind of lucky really...part of me thinks you need to do a little more reading, learning on your own but since you are getting hints from people that actually know what is up, so I suppose your fine.

But when you say things like...I don't have enough runoff to use a PPM meter I'm like...WTF?

One of those things you would have read somewhere, most soil growers go 3-4 watering with nutes and then 1 watering with plain tap.

I'll post my blue dream pics today....maybe. I hate posting pics on this site as it's a cluster fuck pain in the ass.

why do you say i'm kind of lucky? if you're referring to the help i receive here then i agree 100%..i'm beyond "kind of lucky".

the posts from members like yourself on these types of threads are often where i find the most valuable/trustable information. you have to understand my situation, i knew absolutely nothing about this stuff when i began my research. i knew nothing about electricity, ventilation, plants in general..if the topic has anything to do with an aspect of this op, then i probably knew jack shit about it. i had never even grown a plant before aside from a cactus in kindergarten (which i proudly still have today, lol).

i don't know any avid gardeners or other people who grow cannabis. everything i know now was learned through the internet. mainly on message boards like roll it up. the problem with that is, you have to sift through 100 pounds of bullshit to find a gram of gold...i'm sure you get what i'm saying here.

so basically, when you see me post some dumb shit such as the runoff thing, that is because my knowledge is the product of nothing more than a year of internet research and lack of experience. as i continue to gain more experience, i will be able to make more connections between my experience and the knowledge i've learned from the internet.
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i've never heard of a soil grower feeding 3-4 times in a row then watering once with tap. what i've mostly seen is people doing water, feed, water, feed, and so on.

what problems do you experience when posting pictures? i don't find it to be a pain in the ass, maybe i can help you out. i'm better with computers than i am with growing, lol.

 

[Horsetooth]

You would get sooooo much build up feeding 4x in a row between ro waterings. Water feed water feed is a MUCH healthier schedule. Less is more with nutes in soil. Plants are not people: they will not get fatter just because you feed them more. Why the cynicism legallyflying? If you aren't learning you are just stuck in the mud.

 

[MrEDuck]

If you feed with every watering you need to cut down on the amount. If you do a feed water water routine you feed 1/4-1/3rd the amount to feed feed feed. Periodically flush out the medium by running 2-3x the container volume of water through it before feeding.

 

[CCCmints]

i'm just going to stick with water, feed, water, feed. what do you mean by 2-3x the container volume? as in 3 gallon pot = water with 6-9 gallons of water? sounds like a lot...makes me think i don't water enough

 

[Horsetooth]

That's ONLY when performing a flush. I only do this twice during a grow: once before switching to flower nutes and once before harvest. Otherwise water until you have light runoff (waiting until the soil dries or every 3ish days) and You'll be fine.

 

[ScoobyDoobyDoo]

if you do any variation of feed, water, feed you probably don't need to flush. the guys i know who flush are the ones who really push the nutes. i only flush if there is a problem with plants caused by nutrients. which, thankfully, doesn't happen too often anymore.

 

[MrEDuck]

Find the style you're comfotable with. In the end that's what matters.

 

[rory420420]

I like my wu-tang style!!

 

[rory420420]

Not hijacking ccc,been away for a bit and your journal started jumpin!
Here are the stella cuts..the 4 in the back..if you keep bending,they will spread..it takes patience..they pop back up,smush em back down,day after day,I guess that's why its called training..
I also urge you to get some unsulfured molassas...a tablespoon per gal will work wonders for your myco,and help the plants jumpstart those nutes.

 

[CCCmints]

ok so since my plants were showing supposed signs of burning and now continue to do so after feeding with a 10% nutrient strength increase, do you think it would be a good idea to flush? as in should i honestly water both my plants with 6 gallons a piece next time they're dry? i just feel like that is drowning them

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Not hijacking ccc,been away for a bit and your journal started jumpin!
Here are the stella cuts..the 4 in the back..if you keep bending,they will spread..it takes patience..they pop back up,smush em back down,day after day,I guess that's why its called training..
I also urge you to get some unsulfured molassas...a tablespoon per gal will work wonders for your myco,and help the plants jumpstart those nutes.

woah didn't recognize you there with the new avatar rory.

hijack all you want, i don't mind a bit. i've been bending and am seeing very nice results. one of the plants is recovering from it's topping excellently. i will probably get some molasses and dolomite lime by the time i'm in 7 galls.

 

[MrEDuck]

If ever there was a cue to flush its nute burn. Did you add any extra perlite to the mix? If you did you can just flush.

 

[CCCmints]

If ever there was a cue to flush its nute burn. Did you add any extra perlite to the mix? If you did you can just flush.

no, I didnt. are you saying I can't flush unless I had done that??

 

[Horsetooth]

No that's not the case. It will help aerate the soil so it dries faster from the flush but its not necessary in my experience.