3600w growroom w/ OG kush [1st time] -cycle grow 2 rooms (PIX)
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Sweet bud pics dude. Looks like ya got them spaced good.
Hey, on that pump,
I dont know man, you pic didnt come through and it really don't matter if ya got one that works now anyway.
For the mom, yea she will kick out healthy clones just leave a grow tip where ya cut.
You may want to flush her a few days before ya cut. Helps rooting if she is low in nitrogen I hear.
Dude, your outdoor grow? wow.
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Hey, on that pump,
I dont know man, you pic didnt come through and it really don't matter if ya got one that works now anyway.
For the mom, yea she will kick out healthy clones just leave a grow tip where ya cut.
You may want to flush her a few days before ya cut. Helps rooting if she is low in nitrogen I hear.
Dude, your outdoor grow? wow.
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BooMeR242
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haha thanks cruzer ya the pump he got looked small. i think he got two actually but its bubblin. my outdoor grow is still goin strong too just tied up the ladies. but my air pump is on its way out and breakin down lol. too bad season is almost over or id go get a new one. so im mixing the tea oldschool stylie for now.
but ya guys scope the pix on the previous page if u missed the update. and were gonna take clones soon ill try and take sum step by step pix
but ya guys scope the pix on the previous page if u missed the update. and were gonna take clones soon ill try and take sum step by step pix
BooMeR242
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So alot of my days when i have a break to blaze a bowl and grub sum lucky charms in the backyard i just sit and admire the trees ive grown fond of having for the last couple months.
Now from a greenthumb point of view and a lil science and sum strategy. i grew these plants with the help of several books videos and all my fellow RUI ers ive grown to b fond of also.
everyones imput has been very helpful and although most us cant all agree on the same nutes soil strain and grow methods we agree that the herb is good. god made dirt and dirt dont hurt, its just a weed right.
so enough with the wanna be philisophical shit..
watching the plants growth from start to almost finish now in two different enviroments (my outdoor tree grow and my biz partners indoor HPS grow) ive been able to see wat works and doesnt work. The LST method worked great to help develop multipul main colas for my outdoor plants but i over crowded the grow box and seeing that one plant couldve been the same size as all 4 in there now. i also learned that the two outdoors in 10gallon containers are root bound and restricted to size cuz the pot is too small.
then with the indoor OG kush strain under the MH lamp then now the HPS lamps ive watched as my buddy did an incoorect FIM and did a straight chop top and now its recovered but took an extra 2 weeks of veg to equal out.
Now from my observation the growth pattern and structures are similar but all unique.
the LST method done outside has provided me with main stalks and multipul colas. indoors so far they are obviously smaller plants but the plant is developing strong side stems in hopes to have multipul colas also. even tho we did not do LST or a correct FIM this time around.
I love my trees but when i observe where the majority of the bud is being formed its all at the top in the main colas. yes theres good amounts of smaller bud sites thru the middle and on the lower branches but the brancjes are strong enough to support much weight or really be worth it all. so the whole heighth thing seems to be sumwat questionable to me. dont get me wrong im all about go big or go home.but for practical reasons and even commercial growin, i believe that if i wouldve focused on a single bud plant and LST that bitch to grow wider and not so tall id have more colas and be able to stake them up for support. i saw sumones outdoor grow thread in australia he grew like 6lbs from a single sativa bush and it was round. prob easier for maintenacnce too and to stake up since it was a mission for me to stake up my shit and climb up to inspect my colas for pests and mold.
now i understand the reason for more bud development on the top of the canopy and maybe the side where theres space and sun shining cuz the light is directly hitting those bud sites. but wat im considering would b a method of strecthing out the branches wider and focusing on a shorter bush with a solid canopy of colas for indoor and outdoors. since my plants were so crowded my bud development for side buds is very poor. if u were to go inside the garden box bush of trees ull be able to stand up and see that all the main stems goin up to the top canopy are bare and be trimmed off cuz no light penetrates down in. so its a waste of space to me.
from my research seeing other grows outdoors and indoors the concept is the same. maximize ur buds by using ur light source wisely and nutes. i believe i wasted a good portion of my lighting.
but live and learn.
this long essay is more in regards to when i move my grow indoors and attempt 600w HPS per plant and foucus on staying within my medical limit but still yiedling the same expectation of .5-1gram/watt
now i dont want to get off topic with all the other growing details im focused this discussion strictly on the structure and maniplating of the plant.
doin things like LST FIM and topping are diff methods i want to incorporate into my grow to widen the canopy to its full potential and grow massive colas under the right lighting. outdoors this can b done too in theory.
for support (which i failed to really think about before i started) i like hodgegrows basic design with wooden 2x2s making a crossbeam setup. cheap and effective. i myself started off with huge tomato trellis cages that cost $24 each and def helped for support but not tall enough or wide enough. so i would prob design a combination of the two to widen out and creat support for a wide ass canopy. im talkin like a 4-6ft wide canopy (if possible) this is all sake of argument and size will vary from indoor to outdoor.
i had considered the option of adding huge T5 fixtures for side lighting on the walls of my growroom to help promote side growth but dollar wise it didnt seem to be worth it cuz that side bud development wont produce as much as the top colas. outdoors the side of ur plant gets lighting from the natural sun arc from rise to sunset. indoors its simulated lighting but mainly focuses on the canopy.
but anyways im rambling again and just want to see wat u guys think about manipulating the branch/stem growth pattern of the plant to grow wider and create a huge cola canopy instead of the traditional tall xmas/coned like shaped tree.
oh and hope u guys like my ghetto illustration i did real fast to maybe give an idea of wat im talking about with a wider canopy? just imagine it now as a 2D drawing but that is for all 4 sides of the plant.
Now from a greenthumb point of view and a lil science and sum strategy. i grew these plants with the help of several books videos and all my fellow RUI ers ive grown to b fond of also.
everyones imput has been very helpful and although most us cant all agree on the same nutes soil strain and grow methods we agree that the herb is good. god made dirt and dirt dont hurt, its just a weed right.
so enough with the wanna be philisophical shit..
watching the plants growth from start to almost finish now in two different enviroments (my outdoor tree grow and my biz partners indoor HPS grow) ive been able to see wat works and doesnt work. The LST method worked great to help develop multipul main colas for my outdoor plants but i over crowded the grow box and seeing that one plant couldve been the same size as all 4 in there now. i also learned that the two outdoors in 10gallon containers are root bound and restricted to size cuz the pot is too small.
then with the indoor OG kush strain under the MH lamp then now the HPS lamps ive watched as my buddy did an incoorect FIM and did a straight chop top and now its recovered but took an extra 2 weeks of veg to equal out.
Now from my observation the growth pattern and structures are similar but all unique.
the LST method done outside has provided me with main stalks and multipul colas. indoors so far they are obviously smaller plants but the plant is developing strong side stems in hopes to have multipul colas also. even tho we did not do LST or a correct FIM this time around.
I love my trees but when i observe where the majority of the bud is being formed its all at the top in the main colas. yes theres good amounts of smaller bud sites thru the middle and on the lower branches but the brancjes are strong enough to support much weight or really be worth it all. so the whole heighth thing seems to be sumwat questionable to me. dont get me wrong im all about go big or go home.but for practical reasons and even commercial growin, i believe that if i wouldve focused on a single bud plant and LST that bitch to grow wider and not so tall id have more colas and be able to stake them up for support. i saw sumones outdoor grow thread in australia he grew like 6lbs from a single sativa bush and it was round. prob easier for maintenacnce too and to stake up since it was a mission for me to stake up my shit and climb up to inspect my colas for pests and mold.
now i understand the reason for more bud development on the top of the canopy and maybe the side where theres space and sun shining cuz the light is directly hitting those bud sites. but wat im considering would b a method of strecthing out the branches wider and focusing on a shorter bush with a solid canopy of colas for indoor and outdoors. since my plants were so crowded my bud development for side buds is very poor. if u were to go inside the garden box bush of trees ull be able to stand up and see that all the main stems goin up to the top canopy are bare and be trimmed off cuz no light penetrates down in. so its a waste of space to me.
from my research seeing other grows outdoors and indoors the concept is the same. maximize ur buds by using ur light source wisely and nutes. i believe i wasted a good portion of my lighting.
but live and learn.
this long essay is more in regards to when i move my grow indoors and attempt 600w HPS per plant and foucus on staying within my medical limit but still yiedling the same expectation of .5-1gram/watt
now i dont want to get off topic with all the other growing details im focused this discussion strictly on the structure and maniplating of the plant.
doin things like LST FIM and topping are diff methods i want to incorporate into my grow to widen the canopy to its full potential and grow massive colas under the right lighting. outdoors this can b done too in theory.
for support (which i failed to really think about before i started) i like hodgegrows basic design with wooden 2x2s making a crossbeam setup. cheap and effective. i myself started off with huge tomato trellis cages that cost $24 each and def helped for support but not tall enough or wide enough. so i would prob design a combination of the two to widen out and creat support for a wide ass canopy. im talkin like a 4-6ft wide canopy (if possible) this is all sake of argument and size will vary from indoor to outdoor.
i had considered the option of adding huge T5 fixtures for side lighting on the walls of my growroom to help promote side growth but dollar wise it didnt seem to be worth it cuz that side bud development wont produce as much as the top colas. outdoors the side of ur plant gets lighting from the natural sun arc from rise to sunset. indoors its simulated lighting but mainly focuses on the canopy.
but anyways im rambling again and just want to see wat u guys think about manipulating the branch/stem growth pattern of the plant to grow wider and create a huge cola canopy instead of the traditional tall xmas/coned like shaped tree.
oh and hope u guys like my ghetto illustration i did real fast to maybe give an idea of wat im talking about with a wider canopy? just imagine it now as a 2D drawing but that is for all 4 sides of the plant.
Tell ya what man, Back in the 80's before it was popular to grow and we had all these techniques I topped a plant, then topped the tops, then topped the tops again. That was a bush man. about 10 feet around and 6 foot tall.
Another plant at about 2 feet tall I stripped ALL the leaf off. I want to think I was trying an experiment but I do remember I was broke and wanted some smoke so I figured it would grow back.
Well shit man, It sure did. I got the biggest colas I ever seen from that plant.
Both of these were done with about a month of veg left and outdoors.
Just some shit I found out.
Oh, and thanks for the essay, most growers don't take the time to explain what they learned.
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Another plant at about 2 feet tall I stripped ALL the leaf off. I want to think I was trying an experiment but I do remember I was broke and wanted some smoke so I figured it would grow back.
Well shit man, It sure did. I got the biggest colas I ever seen from that plant.
Both of these were done with about a month of veg left and outdoors.
Just some shit I found out.
Oh, and thanks for the essay, most growers don't take the time to explain what they learned.
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BooMeR242
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haha thanks cruzer ya i tend to write alot when i get a chance. my gf puts up with my long stories too so i gotta love her for it.
but ya in regards to the experimentation thats wat i wnna hear from experianced growers who have tried other methods of fucking around. i mean thats how the whole "FIM" method went down -"fuck i missed" so ya ill check into sum more ideas or maybe give it a shot
but ya in regards to the experimentation thats wat i wnna hear from experianced growers who have tried other methods of fucking around. i mean thats how the whole "FIM" method went down -"fuck i missed" so ya ill check into sum more ideas or maybe give it a shot
BooMeR242
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cruised over to the grow house to do sum work. branches and stems are leanin now so we added 4ft tall stakes for support and tied em up. spread them out a lil more for better light distribution below the canopy and better airflow.
check out the pix with the lights off
check out the pix with the lights off
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BooMeR242
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now that the original OG Kush batch is almost a full month in flower weve been needing to take cuttings from our mother plants to get clones rollin out for our perpetual harvest cycle. we pulled the mother out into the bathroom cleaned up everything and got out superthrive clonex gel razor blade and the rockwool cubes.
we took cuttings from the bottom portion of the mother plants (14 each for a total of 28 clones) i read this section of the plant has the newest horomones which are the easiest to clone. we took extra cuttings in case sum are weak or fail at rooting within the next 14 days. we did the cuts on a 45degree angle to open up more root growin potential. we took the cut 5-6 nodes down or about 3-4 inches and cut off the bttom node set so itll fit in the rockwool cube. we dipped the stem in the clonex rooting gel which will help promotoe root growth and the rockwool cubes were soaked in a diluted superthrive solution. we stored the cuttings in a cup of wter until ready for the gel stage. once all the cuttings are put in rockwool we put the cubes in the tray and put that tray on top another tray with perlite in it then stick it under the T5 fixture we had waiting. stuck a humidity dome on top to keep humidity at 100percent and theres vents at the top for air exchange. dropped in the digi thermometer wire reader and sprayed down the cuttings and flipped the switch on for 24hrs/day cycle.
when theyre rooted and ready fro transplant well put them in the 4gallon containers and put them under the 1000watt MH lamp
we took cuttings from the bottom portion of the mother plants (14 each for a total of 28 clones) i read this section of the plant has the newest horomones which are the easiest to clone. we took extra cuttings in case sum are weak or fail at rooting within the next 14 days. we did the cuts on a 45degree angle to open up more root growin potential. we took the cut 5-6 nodes down or about 3-4 inches and cut off the bttom node set so itll fit in the rockwool cube. we dipped the stem in the clonex rooting gel which will help promotoe root growth and the rockwool cubes were soaked in a diluted superthrive solution. we stored the cuttings in a cup of wter until ready for the gel stage. once all the cuttings are put in rockwool we put the cubes in the tray and put that tray on top another tray with perlite in it then stick it under the T5 fixture we had waiting. stuck a humidity dome on top to keep humidity at 100percent and theres vents at the top for air exchange. dropped in the digi thermometer wire reader and sprayed down the cuttings and flipped the switch on for 24hrs/day cycle.
when theyre rooted and ready fro transplant well put them in the 4gallon containers and put them under the 1000watt MH lamp
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ballo
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i used superthrive on my last grow, on two of the kali mists. and i feel like thats what caused those to go hermie. So i planted the seeds, in hopes of them being feminised, but theyve come out reallllly strange. Thick stalks, with huge ripe fanleaves, and were the nodes, or new branches would be coming out...there's just really tiny leaves, like its struggling. The fan leaves were also twisting and curling up, at the beginning. Thats just my experience with superthrive haha..ive heard people swear by it though. Im curious as to how these babies will come out
BooMeR242
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ya if u check out my monster outdoor white widow grow journal ull see the effects of superthrive in action. i used it when i got the clones from the clinic to transplant into 3 gallon pots under a t5. then used superthrive again to transplant in the ground outside and lessened stress and no side effects. im not sure id claim all the thick stalks and stem growth to the superthrive but it didnt do any harm at least. prob one of those individual experiances every grower sees diff results with diff enviroments nad strains.
BooMeR242
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update pix on the page bak guys btw.
i forgot to mention we took 28 clones and hes only gonna use the best 16 that root correctly and im gonna take the rest that root and transplant them and do a t5 flouro grow in my closet once my outdoor grow is done in like 3 weeks. since i can legally grow 12 immature plants. ill prob just veg em for like a week and flip em to 12/12 and just see wat happens. kinda like a half ass closet grow attempt and ive never seen anyone flower under flouros... anyone know anything? thanks
i forgot to mention we took 28 clones and hes only gonna use the best 16 that root correctly and im gonna take the rest that root and transplant them and do a t5 flouro grow in my closet once my outdoor grow is done in like 3 weeks. since i can legally grow 12 immature plants. ill prob just veg em for like a week and flip em to 12/12 and just see wat happens. kinda like a half ass closet grow attempt and ive never seen anyone flower under flouros... anyone know anything? thanks
I will be able to tell you in a month.
I am growing cuts from the same strain under HID and Floros to figure out for myself what the difference in yield is. I'm using 24" T5 HO and CFL's I got a funny feeling the CFL's are going to out perform the T5 in flower because of the intensity.
I am growing cuts from the same strain under HID and Floros to figure out for myself what the difference in yield is. I'm using 24" T5 HO and CFL's I got a funny feeling the CFL's are going to out perform the T5 in flower because of the intensity.
I think flowering is best with HID
Floros are for low budget or limited space grows. As soon as you get enough lumen's to flower you are dealing with more wattage and in my opinion more heat.
Like it would take 6 of the larger CFL's to match a 150W HPS in wattage but they have like half the lumen's.
Floros are for low budget or limited space grows. As soon as you get enough lumen's to flower you are dealing with more wattage and in my opinion more heat.
Like it would take 6 of the larger CFL's to match a 150W HPS in wattage but they have like half the lumen's.
BooMeR242
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nice setup should turn out great. ac mite not be that big an issue for fall/winter season indoor but alwyas depends on the insulation and if its upstairs and other factors. plus this is my first indoor grow as well and not experianced enough to speak intelligently on the temp factor yet. but goodluck stay tuned!
I'm sure it will be sweet!!