6-Auto Ak47 fems and 3-Auto Pakistan Ryder fems (400watt MH/HPS)

BluffinCali said:

Anyone think its better to run MH all the way through rather than switch to HPS for flowering, Ive heard some varying opinions, but Im confused about how mh could be better for flowering...

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MH all through flowering is not ideal, what is ideal however is if you have both MH and HPS mixed in during flowering, this gives the plants the ultimate mix of spectrum like the sun does, you essentially get big, tight, potent buds from what i have seen. That is why i like to mix it up a little with the Auto's, i will use MH for the first 2 weeks or so until i see pistils then i switch to HPS to initiate a full flowering phase, this time though i would like to see what happens if i switch to MH for the last two weeks and i will post results for sure.

uptosumpn said:

Man you are so right!! And I too am a Auto fan....Quick ques. what size light you and what AN nutes you used to get 80g per from da Ak47?(for now my goal is 1oz per plant dry and hopefully get it up to a steady 2oz per) And I love that pic!!! SICK! I too will be doing a pepetual harvest of diff. autos...(GOING VERTICLE with a step set-up in 3 gal bags) 16 of them in 2 circles around a 400hps...(auto ak47, LR2, auto ak47 x auto blueberry and buddah white dwarf) will also be doing a massive seed run..(one girl of each strain pollinated with auto ak47 males!!) also jus ordered sum short stuff blue hymalayan diesel, mdanzig blue ryder, and joint doctors new purple jems!! my next order will be russian rocket fuel, diesel ryder and torn between snow ryder or white russian?
after that last purchase, no more buying beans!!!!! gonna breed like crazy and do some crosses ith all these................

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Wow...those are sum really nice strains you will have going....and breeding is one of the best things you can do in fact i am already on that same tip because i really have to stop spending hundreds of dollaz at the seedbank, heck why not have ur own and make a magic strain that no one has....muhahaha....i feel like one of those evil scientists.

My best tip to you is to use a bigger wattage light especially when doing so many plants, trust me i have seen the difference between 150w, 400W, 600W and 1000W, and the best is obviously 1000W in terms of yield and quality but 600W should be more than enough for your setup.

I use the following to get yields of 80g or more per plant:

Vegetative Light: 600W Ushio Hi-Lux Gro

Flower Light: 600W OSRAM Plantastar

Grow medium: Promix HP Mycorise

Pot & size: 3 Gallon Gro Bags

Nutes given after first week before flowering begins: 1/2 recommended feeding of AN Sensi Grow A/B, B-52, Bud Candy, Mother Earth Tea Grow, Sensi-Zym, Tarantula, Bud Ignitor

Nutes given while flowering: 1/2 recommended feeding of AN Conno, Big Bud, Kushie Kush, Bud Candy, B-52, Bud Factor X, Mother Earth Tea Bloom, F1 Fulvic and of course Sensi-Zym.

Other tips:
I use a 600W Ushio Hi-Lux Gro Lamp from day one because i think it really provides the seedlings with alot of usable light to explode in growth. I have literally seen plants go into super rapid growth phase once the true leaves start collecting the light for energy. I then switch to HPS when i see the sex to trigger an all out flowering frenzy, by the end i usually have 2-3 foot plants with good side branching, you can only get good side buds when you have a strong enough light to penetrate nicely deep in the canopy so thats why i suggest using at least 600W if you can because 16 is alot to push under one light so you want good light penetration.

Check out my gallery and see for yourself what i mean about good side buds, i had a blue-mystic last year which gave me an average of 28 good budding sites per plant for a reg plant. Got a good 6oz's off that plant but i grew it for 3 and half months so the time put in was well worth it.

well thanks topo i will just let them do their thing and see what happens like i said they look healthy so maybe i`m just a little impatient with it being my first indoor and my first with the auto flower i will try to post some pics

Wow! Great info there bro, THANKS!!! But I got the hortilux 400hps for 2 reasons; 1. TEMPS..(live in hot azz S.E. united states..summer iz coming!) and 2. Although I know more light/lumens is better with a 600hps, I was kinda following inbudwetrust grow journal with a 400hps and will use some dutch master liquid light & penetrator jus because i'm using a 400hps .....chk it out; https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/70310-vertical-grow-400-watt-hps.html

Just was going to implement hiz idea with AUTOS....whatta ya think?

But it may not be a bad idea to use a 600hps with the same set-up though! (may have to buy a potable A/C or window mount A/C) What kind of ballast you using with that kind of bulb? and are those bulbs better than Hortilux??

Going to be growing in a 16sf area,,(Homebox XL, 56"x 56"x78.75") in 3 gal grow bags with FF ocean forest with dolimite lime & 30% perlite mixed in. a windtunnel 6 exhaust fan, (409 cfm) with a odor sok carbon filter. 16" oscallating fan, dehumidifier, damp rids and Co2 boost bucket...
I'm also gonna have four 2' HO T5 floro's in each corner of tent for an additional 8000 lumens of blue lighting.. !My nutes will be FF grow big, tiger bloom and big bloom as well as FF open sesame, beastie bloomz, and cha-ching...Also, some AN voodoo juice, tarantula, and phranaha. Some cal-mag, black strap molasses, superthrive, bio bizz bloom and clearex

32 autos seeds, (to get my target # of 16-20 female to male ratio) will be started/germated in a Clonebox using jiffy pellets in a germation station and then placed in 18oz party cups, with FF happy frog soil under four 4' HO T5's, (20,000 lumens) @ 20/4 till sexing...with a humidifier and 8" fan of course....[as a side note Clone box will also be used for hanging/drying when harvested....will add a 4" TD 100 S&P inline fan, 4" odor sok carbon filter, sum damp rids and a mini dehumidifier]

Remember I will be growing "vertical",(the light hanging 24" from the ground) with a step set-up, (8 plants in a circle on the floor 24" away from the light and 8 plants on a 18" step, 12" behind the ones on the floor, rotating when ness.) so you get more useable light than if you were using a hood/reflector...BUT more light is never a bad thing!

AfrikanTZ3 said:

Wow...those are sum really nice strains you will have going....and breeding is one of the best things you can do in fact i am already on that same tip because i really have to stop spending hundreds of dollaz at the seedbank, heck why not have ur own and make a magic strain that no one has....muhahaha....i feel like one of those evil scientists.

My best tip to you is to use a bigger wattage light especially when doing so many plants, trust me i have seen the difference between 150w, 400W, 600W and 1000W, and the best is obviously 1000W in terms of yield and quality but 600W should be more than enough for your setup.

I use the following to get yields of 80g or more per plant:

Vegetative Light: 600W Ushio Hi-Lux Gro

Flower Light: 600W OSRAM Plantastar

Grow medium: Promix HP Mycorise

Pot & size: 3 Gallon Gro Bags

Nutes given after first week before flowering begins: 1/2 recommended feeding of AN Sensi Grow A/B, B-52, Bud Candy, Mother Earth Tea Grow, Sensi-Zym, Tarantula, Bud Ignitor

Nutes given while flowering: 1/2 recommended feeding of AN Conno, Big Bud, Kushie Kush, Bud Candy, B-52, Bud Factor X, Mother Earth Tea Bloom, F1 Fulvic and of course Sensi-Zym.

Other tips:
I use a 600W Ushio Hi-Lux Gro Lamp from day one because i think it really provides the seedlings with alot of usable light to explode in growth. I have literally seen plants go into super rapid growth phase once the true leaves start collecting the light for energy. I then switch to HPS when i see the sex to trigger an all out flowering frenzy, by the end i usually have 2-3 foot plants with good side branching, you can only get good side buds when you have a strong enough light to penetrate nicely deep in the canopy so thats why i suggest using at least 600W if you can because 16 is alot to push under one light so you want good light penetration.

Check out my gallery and see for yourself what i mean about good side buds, i had a blue-mystic last year which gave me an average of 28 good budding sites per plant for a reg plant. Got a good 6oz's off that plant but i grew it for 3 and half months so the time put in was well worth it.

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uptosumpn said:

Wow! Great info there bro, THANKS!!! But I got the hortilux 400hps for 2 reasons; 1. TEMPS..(live in hot azz S.E. united states..summer iz coming!) and 2. Although I know more light/lumens is better with a 600hps, I was kinda following inbudwetrust grow journal with a 400hps and will use some dutch master liquid light & penetrator jus because i'm using a 400hps .....chk it out; https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/70310-vertical-grow-400-watt-hps.html

Just was going to implement hiz idea with AUTOS....whatta ya think?

But it may not be a bad idea to use a 600hps with the same set-up though! (may have to buy a potable A/C or window mount A/C) What kind of ballast you using with that kind of bulb? and are those bulbs better than Hortilux??

Going to be growing in a 16sf area,,(Homebox XL, 56"x 56"x78.75") in 3 gal grow bags with FF ocean forest with dolimite lime & 30% perlite mixed in. a windtunnel 6 exhaust fan, (409 cfm) with a odor sok carbon filter. 16" oscallating fan and Co2 boost bucket
I'm also gonna have four 2' HO T5 floro's in each corner of tent for an additional 8000 lumens of blue lighting.. !My nutes will be FF grow big, tiger bloom and big bloom as well as FF open sesame, beastie bloomz, and cha-ching...Also, some AN voodoo juice, tarantula, and phranaha. Some cal-mag, black strap molasses, superthrive, bio bizz bloom and clearex

They will be started/germated in jiffy pellets and then placed in 18oz party cups, with FF happy frog soil under four 4' HO T5's, (20,000 lumens) @ 20/4 till sexing...

Remember I will be growing "vertical",(the light hanging 24" from the ground) with a step set-up, (8 plants in a circle on the floor 24" away from the light and 8 plants on a 18" step, 12" behind the ones on the floor, rotating when ness.) so you get more useable light than if you were using a hood/reflector...BUT more light is never a bad thing!

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What a Sunday morning, wake and bakin some Sour Larry, a buddy of mine got some Elite Genetics cause he is a med patient and boy he grew them well. This bud he gave me came off some Sour Larry OGKush BX1, and trust me it tastes like lemonheads candy on my tounge every time i take a puff....lol. I can't wait till i get some clones the next time around this strain not only tastes amazing but gets me realli high

The Ballast i am using is the the new dimmable purple Lumatek 600W with a new feature which pushes the bulb further than ever before with something called Super Lumens. The Ushio Hi-Lux Gro and Osram Plantastar are both made in Europe by companies who specialize in horticultural lighting, Ushio and Osram both created their bulbs with PPF/D in mind, and most importantly they created bulbs which are specially made for digital ballasts. Hortilux from what i hear has a different starting voltage from these two other bulbs that is why their lamps don't work well with digital ballasts, and most guys i know still run them in magnetic ballast because they have too much extra juice to ignite the bulb. I have nothing against Hortilux it's just that i can't use them in my ballast, even Lumatek told me to use only the Ushio and Osram, they said those bulbs were designed for ballasts like mine.

i checked out inbudwetrust journal and i think you should go for it, the vertical set-up should give you more than enough light going to the girls as long as they are being rotated to light reaches all sides. I have seen many successful growers use these sort of techniques and get very good yields, i think you will definately benefit from using a 600W instead of 400W just because you want more light reaching your girls....like you said more light is never a bad thing, but if you are strapped for cash and just need bud the 400W should get the job done plus you said you will have sum Fluro's in the mix so i don't see why it wouldn't work well.

I am hoping to see some updates from Growthspurt, i want to see how those powerpuff girls are doin

DAMM! I saw those Lumintek new ballast.... I have the regular lumintek 400. So your saying my hortilux 400hps is not gonna work well with my lumintek 400 digital?

HELP!

So your recommending I get a 600w HPS Osram Plantastar bulb with that new dimmable lumintek ballast?? How much they run????
by the way, what are your temps like in the daytime???

Man i'm trying to get where u are....80g per plant on avg. is sick!!! (THAT WAS FOR AUTO AK47 RIGHT?) Hell if i can hit the 2oz mark per plant dry, I'M GOOD! AND I WOULD DEF. SPEND THE EXTRA $$$$$ TO GET THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YEAH DEF WANNA SEE HOW GROWTHSPURT BABIES R DOIN TOO!

AfrikanTZ3 said:

What a Sunday morning, wake and bakin some Sour Larry, a buddy of mine got some Elite Genetics cause he is a med patient and boy he grew them well. This bud he gave me came off some Sour Larry OGKush BX1, and trust me it tastes like lemonheads candy on my tounge every time i take a puff....lol. I can't wait till i get some clones the next time around this strain not only tastes amazing but gets me realli high

The Ballast i am using is the the new dimmable purple Lumatek 600W with a new feature which pushes the bulb further than ever before with something called Super Lumens. The Ushio Hi-Lux Gro and Osram Plantastar are both made in Europe by companies who specialize in horticultural lighting, Ushio and Osram both created their bulbs with PPF/D in mind, and most importantly they created bulbs which are specially made for digital ballasts. Hortilux from what i hear has a different starting voltage from these two other bulbs that is why their lamps don't work well with digital ballasts, and most guys i know still run them in magnetic ballast because they need that extra juice to ignite the bulb. I have nothing against Hortilux it's just that i can't use them in my ballast, even Lumatek told me to use only the Ushio and Osram, they said those bulbs were designed for ballasts like mine.

i checked out inbudwetrust journal and i think you should go for it, the vertical set-up should give you more than enough light going to the girls as long as they are being rotated to light reaches all sides. I have seen many successful growers use these sort of techniques and get very good yields, i think you will definately benefit from using a 600W instead of 400W just because you want more light reaching your girls....like you said more light is never a bad thing, but if you are strapped for cash and just need bud the 400W should get the job done plus you said you will have sum Fluro's in the mix so i don't see why it wouldn't work well.

I am hoping to see some updates from Growthspurt, i want to see how those powerpuff girls are doin

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They are doing good, i cant wait till my next grow cause ima have a tent and and additional 400 watt in a vertical setup. All this info is really good, Im thinking one 400 watt MH and one 400 watt HPS in the tent for the vert grow. I will post pictures either today or tommorrow. They are def getting bigger but im trying to a few of the smaller plants up to par before the next photoshoot!

nice work, read the whole thread looking forward to seeing your results.
that colloidal silver tip was the shiznit. thnks
+repp

uptosumpn said:

DAMM! I saw those Lumintek new ballast.... I have the regular lumintek 400. So your saying my hortilux 400hps is not gonna work well with my lumintek 400 digital?

HELP!

So your recommending I get a 600w HPS Osram Plantastar bulb with that new dimmable lumintek ballast?? How much they run????
by the way, what are your temps like in the daytime???

Man i'm trying to get where u are....80g per plant on avg. is sick!!! (THAT WAS FOR AUTO AK47 RIGHT?) Hell if i can hit the 2oz mark per plant dry, I'M GOOD! AND I WOULD DEF. SPEND THE EXTRA $$$$$ TO GET THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YEAH DEF WANNA SEE HOW GROWTHSPURT BABIES R DOIN TOO!

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If i were you i wouldn't worry about running the 400W Hortilux with the lumatek.....when i had my old lumatek ballast the company said don't run Hortilux bulb, the digital ballasts were blowing the bulbs because of the high ignition voltage. Now i am learning that the new lumatek ballast like the dimmable one i have even the regular one has been changed to ignite the lower 1000-200KV bulbs like Hortilux, the bulbs i am using now have a much higher ignition voltage of 4000-5000KV. So if i were you i would not worry the lumatek should fire your bulb properly, sorry if i scared you but i was just listening to my hydro guy and what lumatek support told me when i got my first lumatek.

My temps are averaging 27 degrees during the hottest part of the day. Every other time my temps are a steady 25 Degrees and i think that range really makes my powerpuff girls happy.

The Osram or Ushio 600W would do you really good if you want the yields which i am getting, plus i think the main thing is having more wattage which in the end means alot more light converting into energy for your plants. YES the strain is the Lowlife Auto AK47 Original Version (AK47xLowryder) which is giving me avg yields of 80g per plant, i also get some really good phenotypes some are really fruity and some are more spicy (because of the sativa genes), overall a really potent strain if grown under right conditions.

You can easily hit 2oz's and more with a 600W and if you say that you are willing to spend the extra $$ then this is what i suggest.

$200-$220
Lumatek 600 watt Dual Voltage Electronic ballast (120V or 240V) Super Lumens

INFO:
http://www.lumatek.ca/proddetail.php?prod=lumatek600-dualSL

$100
OSRAM Plantastar 600W HPS (Initial 90,000lumens)

INFO:
http://www.cannabis-world.org/cw/showthread.php?t=4732

http://www.osram.com/_global/pdf/Professional/General_Lighting/High_pressure_discharge_lamps/105S004GB_PLANTASTAR.pdf

OR

$115
Ushio 600W Super Enhanced HPS (Initial 97,000lumens)
http://www.ushio.com/products/horticulture/hiluxgro.htm

So total you are looking at aroung $350 with shipping for a 600W system that runs more efficiently and cooler than the 1000W. If you are going to run this system on a vertcal set-up you will definately need an AC unit to cool things down.

I will post my exact guide which i use when growing Auto's. I learnt my techniques from alot of fellow friends who grow not only for the best quality bud but also the best yielding, by the way they all use AN Nutes probably because their from BC..hehe, even alot of veterans i know are getting unheard of yields even with the AN organic line, i mean over 100g per auto-plant, but their set-ups are CGE grow rooms it's basically used by alot of successful commercial growers, it is very safe and recycles the air instead of exhausting it outside.

If you want to see a real CGE Grow Room check out this link, it shows one millionare who shows his set-up and you will notice he says:
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3368.html
In all commercial grow houses I visited, growers were using Advanced Nutrients products, but one grower had reservoirs containing General Hydroponics (GH) nutrients alongside his Advanced Nutrients reservoirs. He tested GH FloraGrow, FloraBloom and FloraMicro against Advanced Nutrients Sensi Pro Two Plus formula. The GH nutrients gave him 1.2 pounds per light with "Jamaican clones." The Advanced Nutrients Two Plus program gave him 1.9 pounds per light with the same type of clones.

Growers cited ease of use and increased bud weight and resin production as their reason for using Advanced Nutrients products. All the commercial growers who provided access for this article use Advanced Nutrients Final Phase to flush plants during the last week of flowering. They also use the company's Wipeout formula, along with two hours at 10,000 ppm CO2, to kill mites and other problems between crops.

*I added that part because i know alot of people don't really use the whole Advanced Line and they don't realize what they are missing in terms of yield and overall quality. Especially the new AN Conno which is light years ahead of any other flowering nutrient in the world. I would highly suggest you use the at least the Conno and the additives you already have should work well, if you want extra large harvests you have to use the crem da le crem of base nutes. Check out this medi grower using Advanced nutes Conno and for veg he uses the Micro Grow Bloom formula, his yields will be amazingly huge i tell you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3IYLv7jwYg

growthspurt said:

They are doing good, i cant wait till my next grow cause ima have a tent and and additional 400 watt in a vertical setup. All this info is really good, Im thinking one 400 watt MH and one 400 watt HPS in the tent for the vert grow. I will post pictures either today or tommorrow. They are def getting bigger but im trying to a few of the smaller plants up to par before the next photoshoot!

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I can't wait man....i am looking forward to seeing how your girls come along, the new set-up with a tent will surely help you achieve some killer yields...good luck man....i am going to back to this Sour Larry Bud now i am gettin toasted.

wow man werent these seedlings about a month ago?

AfrikanTZ3 said:

I can't wait man....i am looking forward to seeing how your girls come along, the new set-up with a tent will surely help you achieve some killer yields...good luck man....i am going to back to this Sour Larry Bud now i am gettin toasted.

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That sour larry bud sounds great i wish I had some right now...can you post me some. LOL. unfortunately today is a rare dry day for me

aeviaanah said:

wow man werent these seedlings about a month ago?

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LOL yea its amazing how much they grow. I just had to tie down the top of the pakistan ryder because it was about 5 inches taller than the other tall AK-47 . I just tied it down some and almost immediately it started growing upward again. I said I would be posting pics today so as promised I will, I work till really late so it wont be till the end of the day.

growthspurt said:

That sour larry bud sounds great i wish I had some right now...can you post me some. LOL. unfortunately today is a rare dry day for me

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Going "dry" is the worse misery of all.

'Hope you find ASAP.

In this time of need I disagree with your signature...

If I have weed, I can get money, if I have money I can get weed.. they are both needed in my life's equation.

growthspurt said:

In this time of need I disagree with your signature...

If I have weed, I can get money, if I have money I can get weed.. they are both needed in my life's equation.

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That's where you have better luck/connections than I. I have had more days when I had cash, but everyone is "out" or "dry." It goes on for weeks.

Money is green, but you can't smoke it.

Yea my dry is meaning my wallet is dry... i highly doubt my people here would get dry... they always calling me asking if I need.

growthspurt said:

Yea my dry is meaning my wallet is dry... i highly doubt my people here would get dry... they always calling me asking if I need.

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I wish you lived next door.......

You never know..Lol

growthspurt said:

You never know..Lol

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Man i feel for you....i hate those dry spells . I myself used to have them years ago but now i know so many fellow growers who exchange their bud with me alot, like the Sour Larry was a friend of mine who grew it from seed, and he gave me a OZ to sample, i get some friends who give me more but when i get i always give, and when i always give i get so it just works out.

I remember last year when i pulled in 3 lbs outdoor, i grew some MK Ultra, Morning Glory & Sum Kilimanjaro, i gave away more than half i was left with only 1.2lbs when i was done giving charity. But now when i have nothing to smoke but one variety my friends hook me up with OZ's of their latest bud, that way i am never dry.

I know soon you will have some really strong bud so just hold in there, the strains you are growing are not only very strong in terms of potency, but also their yields should be generous too. So you mite be dry now but not for long at all.