6-Auto Ak47 fems and 3-Auto Pakistan Ryder fems (400watt MH/HPS)

AfrikanTZ3 said:

If i were you i wouldn't worry about running the 400W Hortilux with the lumatek.....when i had my old lumatek ballast the company said don't run Hortilux bulb, the digital ballasts were blowing the bulbs because of the high ignition voltage. Now i am learning that the new lumatek ballast like the dimmable one i have even the regular one has been changed to ignite the lower 1000-200KV bulbs like Hortilux, the bulbs i am using now have a much higher ignition voltage of 4000-5000KV. So if i were you i would not worry the lumatek should fire your bulb properly, sorry if i scared you but i was just listening to my hydro guy and what lumatek support told me when i got my first lumatek.

My temps are averaging 27 degrees during the hottest part of the day. Every other time my temps are a steady 25 Degrees and i think that range really makes my powerpuff girls happy.

The Osram or Ushio 600W would do you really good if you want the yields which i am getting, plus i think the main thing is having more wattage which in the end means alot more light converting into energy for your plants. YES the strain is the Lowlife Auto AK47 Original Version (AK47xLowryder) which is giving me avg yields of 80g per plant, i also get some really good phenotypes some are really fruity and some are more spicy (because of the sativa genes), overall a really potent strain if grown under right conditions.

You can easily hit 2oz's and more with a 600W and if you say that you are willing to spend the extra $$ then this is what i suggest.

$200-$220
Lumatek 600 watt Dual Voltage Electronic ballast (120V or 240V) Super Lumens

INFO:
http://www.lumatek.ca/proddetail.php?prod=lumatek600-dualSL

$100
OSRAM Plantastar 600W HPS (Initial 90,000lumens)

INFO:
http://www.cannabis-world.org/cw/showthread.php?t=4732

http://www.osram.com/_global/pdf/Professional/General_Lighting/High_pressure_discharge_lamps/105S004GB_PLANTASTAR.pdf

OR

$115
Ushio 600W Super Enhanced HPS (Initial 97,000lumens)
http://www.ushio.com/products/horticulture/hiluxgro.htm

So total you are looking at aroung $350 with shipping for a 600W system that runs more efficiently and cooler than the 1000W. If you are going to run this system on a vertcal set-up you will definately need an AC unit to cool things down.

I will post my exact guide which i use when growing Auto's. I learnt my techniques from alot of fellow friends who grow not only for the best quality bud but also the best yielding, by the way they all use AN Nutes probably because their from BC..hehe, even alot of veterans i know are getting unheard of yields even with the AN organic line, i mean over 100g per auto-plant, but their set-ups are CGE grow rooms it's basically used by alot of successful commercial growers, it is very safe and recycles the air instead of exhausting it outside.

If you want to see a real CGE Grow Room check out this link, it shows one millionare who shows his set-up and you will notice he says:
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3368.html
In all commercial grow houses I visited, growers were using Advanced Nutrients products, but one grower had reservoirs containing General Hydroponics (GH) nutrients alongside his Advanced Nutrients reservoirs. He tested GH FloraGrow, FloraBloom and FloraMicro against Advanced Nutrients Sensi Pro Two Plus formula. The GH nutrients gave him 1.2 pounds per light with "Jamaican clones." The Advanced Nutrients Two Plus program gave him 1.9 pounds per light with the same type of clones.

Growers cited ease of use and increased bud weight and resin production as their reason for using Advanced Nutrients products. All the commercial growers who provided access for this article use Advanced Nutrients Final Phase to flush plants during the last week of flowering. They also use the company's Wipeout formula, along with two hours at 10,000 ppm CO2, to kill mites and other problems between crops.

*I added that part because i know alot of people don't really use the whole Advanced Line and they don't realize what they are missing in terms of yield and overall quality. Especially the new AN Conno which is light years ahead of any other flowering nutrient in the world. I would highly suggest you use the at least the Conno and the additives you already have should work well, if you want extra large harvests you have to use the crem da le crem of base nutes. Check out this medi grower using Advanced nutes Conno and for veg he uses the Micro Grow Bloom formula, his yields will be amazingly huge i tell you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3IYLv7jwYg

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uptosumpn said:

OKAY..! You have sent me some much good info in that one post, that I read it 5 times!!!!
So here's the deal...I went ahead and did it!... I ordered the Plantastar 600W (got it for $99 + $15 shipping) I reserched it and all i can say is dammit man!! And I also ordered the Lumatek 600 watt Dual Voltage Electronic ballast (120V or 240V) Super Lumens, (got it for $179!) read up on it via the link you sent...this is one cool azz ballast!!

And when you do get a chance, please do send your grow guide for AUTOS! I alwayz wanna learn new techniques to get that MAX YIELD!!

Its also kinda crazy because when I was looking at what kind of nutes to buy, I was torn between the Advance Nutrients line vs. the Fox Farm line. Guess I shouldv'e went with the AN...but I did get their root stimulators...Voodoo Juice, Tarantula and Phirana. as we all know nutes CO$T, so it doesn't make sense to by a whole new set...(or does it?? lol!)

Anyways, so you say to at least get the AN Conno for flowering and use with my Fox Farm nutes?? (will I be subsituting this in place of my Fox Farm flowering nutes? [big bloom/tiger bloom] I also have Fox Farms Open Sesame, Beastie Bloomz and Cha-Ching, which is used during flowering..
Trust me, you are a insparation and I really appricate all the info and help!

Oh, last thing...HEAT ISSUES.. which is why i got the 400w in the first place...
I have my Homebox XL in a reg. sized bedroom AND a Clonebox, (4 bulb 4' HO T5) in the same bedroom closet. The bedroom does have an A/C vent in the cealing, but wont really use that to cool the room..(would raise the light bill to much and make the "ENTIRE" house to cold)
So my only option would be either a window mount A/C or a portable one.. here is the problem, the window mount unit is cheaper but my window is one that open sideways, not up and down..i was wondering could one of those window mount A/C units be mounted sideways and not damage it as well as be effective??? If not, then I guess it would have to buy a portable one...DAMM EXPENSIVE!! $300-$400!! I did a test run for an hour with the clonebox..(have a 8" fan blowin on low for the younglings and two 6" clip-on fans on low blowing dwn on the light fixture and a humidifier<didnt turn on) and wouldn't you know it the temps got up to 96 degress!!!! So I was thinking about getting a 4" S&P TD-100 inline fan connected to a 4" odor-sok to exhaust that hot air and bring in fresh air, (A/C air) via passive intake...would that solve my high temp problem in the clonebox??

Anyways if I do have to get the portable one, would i just put that anywhere in the room, set it to say 70* and would that make the heat in my tent, (with the 600w plantastar) be a comfortable temp?? via my exhaust fan,(409CFM) pulling out the stagnat air and one of those cheap 6" booster fans bringing in fresh,(A/C air)?? [[ Will be doing a active air intake set-up with backdraft dampers on both intake and exhaust fans because will be using Co2 boost bucket..15min four times a day...

whatta ya think? any sugg.?? thanks again!! A++rep to ya!
HU$TLE HARDER/HU$TLE SMARTER!

**EDIT** Is AN Conno, Connoisseur A or B?? and I read it says for hydo.....

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AfrikanTZ3 said:

I am glad to hear you upgraded your set-up to 600W, now you will see a big difference in growth rates and yield that is guaranteed. Just set-up a good ventilation system and that heat will go away, you can try and look for a used portable AC to save sum dough i know it's expensive but a good investment. The Inline fan should take care of the hot air while you have cool air coming in, your idea is good just make sure the fan is in close proximity to the lamp to ensure all the heat is being removed efficiently.

In terms of using the AN Connoisseur, it is okay to use it in the medium you are using because FF Ocean forest balances the PH between 6.3 and 6.8, and that is perfect for AN Conno because it makes sure all base and micro nutrients are available at a PH of 6.3 in soil, so as long as you maintain it at 6.3 you should have no problems. Read the label below and you will see right above the feeding chart it says soil, hydroponic and coco, and it says which PH to maintain it at. From what i remember you added dolomite lime to your mix so your PH over a long period of time will stay steady, that is perfect. You have to get PartA and PartB because each part has to be mixed in separately, you mix in PartA into the water and stir and let it sit for min, then add in part b and stir. You cannot add both PartA and PartB at the same time it will lock out the nutrients in both parts. The additives have will work great even the FF ones, plus your roots will have alot of beneficial bacteria and endomycorrhizal and ectomycorrhizal fungi so naturally your roots will hold some nutrients and feed the plant when it's hungry. I know the FF Bloom Boosters you have recommend giving feeding every other watering so make sure you follow that schedule with the Conno to ensure that you are getting optimum nutrient availability.

Your flowering nutrient schedule should look like this: (Based on every other feeding) (AN Calculation is from AN Nutrient Calculator which should always be used instead of feeding chart on bottle, that feeding chart is just a rough guideline)
1/2tsp Conno week 1-2, then go to 3/4tsp for week 3, 4, 5, 6, for week 7 go back to 1/2tsp (per gallon)
1/4tsp Open Sesame for first 2 weeks (per gallon)
1/4tsp Beastie Blooms, ChaChing week 1 to 2, in week 3-7 you can use 1/2tsp but try it for a week first to make sure there is no burning (per gallon)

I would also highly suggest you get a b vitamin supplement as this will help your girls fight any sort of stress, try to get the AN B-52 it contains alot specific forms of B-Vitamins, Kelp Meal, Folic Acid, Seaweed Extract, and Ascophyllum nodosum extract which has been proven to skyrocket metabolism and floral growth, i think it is around $40-$50 but well worth it because in the first week when in the veg cycle all i feed is a half solutions of B-52 and i see amazing growth patterns. Whenever i buy AN i don't look at the price i look at the quality and because i use half feedings i get alot of use out of it, so don't worry about the price just think about the harvest, the Conno and B-52 will probably go for around $150 for both. Alot of growers ignore giving B-Vitamins but they don't realize that even plants need B-Vitamins and even though they synthesize them it uses alot of energy and resources, energy and resources which could be going towards your building bud. So by supplementing your girls with B-52 you enable them to focus their energy on building you big dense buds.

AN Conno Label
http://www.advancednutrients.com/product_label_pdfs/ConnoisseurPartA_label.jpg

AN Conno Product Info Videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1ZgnMWS52c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z62AJGr8mK0

AN B-52 INFO
https://www.advancednutrients.com/advancepedia/product.php?productID=2&catID=23

Hope everyone is learning a thing or two from this thread.....let me go back to smokin this fire og kush given to me yesterday by an old friend, and you can bet it's fire because he used AN for the first time and came to me a believer....here is a bud shot for everyone

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uptosumpn said:

WOW! JUS F****** WOW!! All this info should CO$T! LOL! nahh, I'd rather it jus how I'm getting it....

Anywayz, jus a bit confused on a couple of things.....when you say wk 1-2 for the Conno, beastie bloomz, cha-ching and open sesame do you mean wk 1-2 of flowering OR do you mean wk 1-2 from the very START?? (also, do you wait for the first week to finish to start week 1??)
Next, when you say make sure the fan is in close proximity to the lamp, what do you mean exactly??? I will have a 6" inline booster fan on the bottom of tent, (active air intake) and a 6" windtunnel exhaust fan,(409CFM) wid 6" odor-sok above the lamp.(remember i'm doin verticle), so lamp may be 2'-3' away from lamp or even more if i put the exhaust fan on top of tent..(outside) for a cooler running fan and cooler enviorment inside tent...whatta ya think???

As far as the AN B-52 I may get it, but let me ask you this....I have some Superthrive B+ supp. does that have the same B vitamins as B-52?? (dont know) Let me know, because I wanna get this order out today! Oh, when should I start using the AN voodoo juice, phirana and tarantula...? Again, thanks for teaching me your secrets to BIG/HEAVY YIELDS

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AfrikanTZ3 said:

OK let us clear this up:

The AN Conno and your FF additives should only be used after seedling stage is done (first 2 weeks), do not use it before as the plants roots can burn from the nutrients if fed too early. My growing medium doesn't contain enough food to feed the plant enough for the first 2 weeks that is why i feed after the first week, your medium has nutrients in it so you don't need to start feeding until the seedling stage has ended (first 2 weeks usually) then it should be safe to start feeding your girls without burning them.

If i were you i would start your girls on just B-52 for the seedling/veg stage or use a simple kelp formula if you want to save some dough, you can't really compare Superthrive to B-52 because B-52 is much more than just vitamins it contains a host of other beneficial extracts not found in any other supplement, but Superthrive is a b-vitamin so give a little to the girls to boost them up. In the seedling/veg stage you start giving your girls the AN root stimulators until the second week of flowering then stop, you want to establish a really extensive root system before your Auto starts to fully flower because it will need that extensive root system to feed itself efficiently. I also wanted to mention that when using these AN root stimulators you need to supplement them with something to feed on to keep them alive, i mean you should have some carbohydrates like AN Carbo Load or Bud candy, these feed those beneficial bacteria and keep them alive in your soil. So while you are getting the B-52 you might as well get Bud-Candy too, it will greatly increase size, smell and taste too so it's worth it. I use it from the seedling stage up until the last week of flowering.

So this is what your seedling stage should look like:
Week1 - 0.76G of Pirahna & Tarantula, 0.76ml of Voodo Juice, 2.5ml of B-52, 1ml of Bud-Candy (Per Gallon)
Week2 - 1.14G of Pirahna & Tarantula, 1.14ml of Voodo Juice, 5ml of B-52, 2.5ml of Bud-Candy (per Gallon)
*After this stage is complete you can start giving flowering nutes to the plants to encourage showing sex, and to signal the beginning of flowering

Yes i meant put your exhaust fan over top the lamp because that way heat rises, and the fan will suck up that heat very efficiently. That is what i mean just make sure it is in the proper position so the heat doesn't reach your girls down below. If you mount it outside the tent it should even be better because first your fan will heat up less and work more efficiently plus your grow area will be cooler.....that is an excellent idea.

I don't see why you can't get yields of 2 OZ+ per plant now, as long as your tent has the right conditions, your girls will reward you heavily. I will be here to help you out anytime, and that is for anyone not just for you i am here to help all my friends.

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bodlee said:

firsy can i say ya stuff looks mint ya shud get an arsum crop there.. am a first time grower and am trying 2 grom sum ak-47 but i must b doing sumthing wrong because mine have first grew about 12chs high over 6-7 weeks but there only just have the leafs that yours have on now... so mine are tall nd skinny ... do u think this has sumthing 2 do with the light am only using 2 100w grow lights that give out 1300 lumens each?? but am looking 2 upgrade to a 600w hps any help much appricated

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bodlee said:

ok thanks i will get right on that nd get a new light asap..i have just noticed another promblem my plants are starting 2 develop yellow/brown spots on the leaves then go brown nd fall off does anyone no what this is nd how 2 fix it??????
one more thing am nt sure of is people keep mentioning nutes in various threads but no says wat type is best 4 ak-47 or a website i cud get it from????????????
any help much appricated

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chronichaze09 said:

how many did you grow? under a 400w? nice work!! what are you thinkin for yeild?? u use nutes?

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