A tale of Mothers, clones and vertical growing in an old silo.

Mak'er Grow

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Just a question about the piping. I used to do electrical, farm, industrial and home...well I know its not the same piping, but we used this grey PVC tube and when needed we would warm it up to bend it around oddly shaped objects...anyways I was wondering if you could save $ on the wyes and just join pipes together and heat and bend them to conform to the shape you want/need? You would still need some wyes and connectors etc, but was wondering if that pipe is bendable like most others?
 

åsnap

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How you gonna do a vertical grow in a round silo with those? ;-)

Are you electrically/DIY inclined? If so, even minimally, you could build your own better lights for .50-1.00 per watt, where they're charging $2+ per watt for theirs... If you can order from an electronics site from where you are. For their price, hopefully they use the newest, best efficiency diodes, including UV and IR, and maybe even a separate timer for Emerson effect?

To your question, they probably work fine, and they're along the same price line as similar lights from other companies, like Fluence, I just feel they're way over priced, as someone who's built his own.

Speaking of, here's a light I built for a 4x4ft tent, in a 3x3. It's 480w, using 30 560mm Chinese LED strips with Samsung Lm561c diodes. Built 3 years ago, for around $1 per watt.

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Nonono. I thought og using these for the mothers.

Those in the picture are amazing btw. But yeah. I live in the most expensive country in the world. Plus real led came in just now.
 

åsnap

Member
Just a question about the piping. I used to do electrical, farm, industrial and home...well I know its not the same piping, but we used this grey PVC tube and when needed we would warm it up to bend it around oddly shaped objects...anyways I was wondering if you could save $ on the wyes and just join pipes together and heat and bend them to conform to the shape you want/need? You would still need some wyes and connectors etc, but was wondering if that pipe is bendable like most others?
That is a great idea. Thank you man.
 

åsnap

Member
You should only need about 100m of drain pipe, or a little over 300ft, whether drain pipe or PVC. Here, the drainage pipe is .82 per foot, and PVC is 1.24 per foot.

Those bends would probably work; my minor concerns would be whether they stay in place without wobbling around, and having enough roots to make it through the bend, and into the column. Minor concerns, like I say.

If you get tired of paying for neoprene pucks, you could try using foam tube pipe insulation, and cutting it down to the thickness you want. I make mine about an inch thick to support the stems better. A 6 foot long piece is less than $3, and will give you 72, 1 inch thick pucks... Just another DIY option.

For tees and feed/return lines, I'd go with at least 1 inch, but try to stay under 4, depending on fitting prices. Even 1 inch tees are like a buck a piece, before bulk discount, but it may cost more after considering reducer fittings to get from 4 inch down to 1. With the silo diameter, you may be able to connect all the columns at the bottom with 4 inch tees, but I don't know if you can get little 1ft rounded pieces to connect the tees or not. You'd probably need the 22.5* elbows too. Tees and elbows are 5-6$ each, before discount here.

I think you're right about needing indica dominant hybrids, and the hardest part will probably just be finding 4 true 8 week finishers. A lot of stuff people usually take at 8 are really done more like 9 or 10, but people want to keep that 8 week schedule.

I've heard good things about AN and Floraflex, but haven't used either. I have heard AN is pretty expensive though. Regardless, if they're liquid when you get them, you're probably over paying for the water weight. You might want to consider a powdered nutrient that you mix with water yourself. I mix my solutions 5 gallons at a time, the first gallon or so is hot, to dissolve the nutrient, and the rest is cold.

I'm not sure if you can order Megacrop where you're at, but you should be able to get JR Peters, ("Jack's"), which is said to be comparable in price and performance.

The way I see it regarding RO filters, unless the water is very hard and dangerous, they remove minerals like calcium, that you'll just spend more to add back anyway. Plus, they waste at least as much water as they clean, generally. Just my opinion though.

It sucks that customs is so enthusiastic with their theft, but with enough research, you should be able to avoid most suspicious looking senders and labels. You can avoid over priced hydro stores, and find most things from electronics sites, home supply stores, or Amazon. If you're decent with electronics, you can DIY your LED lights with parts from places like Cutter, Digikey, or Arrow.

That kit is nice looking. I'm sure you could DIY it for less, if you wanted, or you could just get it all as a kit, for convenience sake.

A 600w MH might work alright for veg, but you may want more wattage, or to spread more smaller lights across the area.

For 4 mothers, 2-4ft wide and high, you'll probably want to use at least a 10 x 10ft area. I don't think 1 600w would be ideal to cover the whole area, but could be sufficient for veg if you hung it high.
I thought i would cut the bends on the one side, so it sticks just inside the pvc pipe. i have found a bend that cones down similar to this, only they
the cone is much sharper and on the right side. Only they cost 7 bucks a pop..
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Tube pipe insulation is brilliant. will definitly check that out!

AN is a bit pricey yes, and i would love to try powdered nutes. But they are simple and saves me from checking ph.
RO filter is a must here. The well water is super hard. otherwise i wouldnt have bothered.

Yeah the kit is pricey, but it just looks so nice :)
 

joecanna17

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I thought i would cut the bends on the one side, so it sticks just inside the pvc pipe. i have found a bend that cones down similar to this, only the cone is much sharper and on the right side. Only they cost 7 bucks a pop..


Tube pipe insulation is brilliant. will definitly check that out!

AN is a bit pricey yes, and i would love to try powdered nutes. But they are simple and saves me from checking ph.
RO filter is a must here. The well water is super hard. otherwise i wouldnt have bothered.

Yeah the kit is pricey, but it just looks so nice :)
Yeah, you could cut the bends, or maybe just drill some holes in the inner section of the fitting, inside the column. Then the water flowing down should get inside the bend far enough, hit the newest roots, and drain through to the sites below. It's just a concern the first few days they're in the system, if the roots aren't long enough to clear that angled fitting and into the column.

If you try the tube insulation, just roll the insulation in on itself, making it look like a really tight number 6, or cinnamon roll, with the clone in the middle. If you get the right size, there's only a couple different sizes, it should squeeze into the holes in the cloner lid pretty nicely.

To illustrate one way to use that drainage pipe and hanging strap, here's a pic of a little summer project I've been tinkering with. It's an outdoor, solar powered, vertical, recirculating hydro system.

Well, it finally recirculates now, because I just found a piece of that drain pipe I forgot about, and hung it up. Poor plants have been getting fed like once a week the last couple weeks because I didn't have any return for circulation! Now hopefully they'll start taking off... Better late than never, I guess lol
It's still a work in progress, but it's functional!

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åsnap

Member
Hey good people.

Just an update on the silo project.
As I've come to realize , this is going to be a time consuming project. But I haven't forgotten about you. And will post updates as I come close to my goal.

Anyway thank you everyone for the wonderful insight.

As a sidenote, I found these amazing pots for vertical growing.

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These cost me 150$ for 300 pieces.

One love. Peace
 
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