"Ancient Aliens" and the Ancient astronaut theory.

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Chronic Masterbator

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I guarantee I could hit any one of those ninjas in the head without him hearing anything coming.

Every single video they raise the sword, then just before the strike there's an (un-needed) upward movement before swinging the sword down. If instead they raised the sword and made a very quick snap of the sword down, the person would never be able to move in time, and the show would be ruined. This is one of those things in martial arts that is 1/2 mastery, 1/2 trickery.

Not only could you hear the sudden uplift, but the floor would move as well as you raise your weight off the floor. There are a ton of physical cues that you can take from without resorting to supernatural explanations.

Put ear muffs on the testee, and put him on a solid concrete floor and repeat the test. $20 says he leaves with a concussion.
Uplift wtf you talking bout. My sensi just held it above his head was stationary no movement of the feet. No pivotal movement what's so ever. Only the arms... If you mean when he raises up to strike of course you would here that. But notice Massaki hold it in place for a while this is done so movement can't be timed out.
 

Chronic Masterbator

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[video=youtube;Y0tbNbaqsZ8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y0tbNbaqsZ8[/video]

First, I want you to watch the video again and see if you can spot a pattern between those that pass and those that fail. I had to watch this test given many times before I noticed that this test was, basically, a magic trick with the student completely unaware of what was happening. If they pass, they believe that they are so attuned to their martial ability, that they can dodge an attack with no warning. They never know that they were actually cued as to when the attack was coming, and actually could not pass this test if I were proctoring it.
The cue is simple; the test proctor rises up on his toes before he swings the bamboo sword if he wants the student to dodge the strike. With the test taking place on a padded floor, the rising up on the toes causes a minor, but noticeable, shift in the floor. The test taker feels this shift and immediately dodges. When the proctor does not give this cue, the test taker gets hit.
[h=2]-excerpted from The Bujinkan Godan Test: The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly [/h]
My toes have never risen on a upswing. And my sensi rolled up his sleeves so you cant hear the noise the uniform might make. You guys have never picked up a broken. Stand shoulder width apart raise a broom,bat whatever above your head. You will see your toes don't rise.
 

kpmarine

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Dodging a baseball and three mocking birds is not situational awareness.
I'll believe the baseball when I see a video. Sorry, but extraordinary claims need some proof. As for birds; they're not known for flapping their wings silently. Not to mention that you can feel a bird displacing air as it moves at you. Anyone with a preservation instinct and good reflexes can avoid a bird swooping at their head. If I heard flapping and felt air movement behind my head; I'd duck too.

The baseball is impressive. I haven't seen it done so I can't say how impressive. The birds though, those are situational awareness. We didn't survive this long as a species by not reacting to shit in our blind spots. Credit where it's due though; if you have excelled at your training, then you likely should be capable of doing these things with a bit more poise and coordination than the average Joe.
 

tyler.durden

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I passed the the go Dan test the second time with a baseball. Just to prove others wrong. Can't feel or hear that shit comming. Had friends that didn't believe. Now they do!! I have had several incidents that where similar to that test. 3 times angry mocking birds swooped at the back of my head. And all I did was tilt my head and see em fly past my head. 5th sense is real and can be devolped.

Once you let your mind except that. Then only then you can begin training that sense. Shit I can hit moving targets with throw spikes blind folded. 5th sense is real. In fact you and everyone have some type of ability you haven't realised and yet to unlock.
I think we’re talking about a sixth sense here, as we know about the five: touch, taste, smell, hearing and sight. I’ve studied martial arts for decades, started with Wing Chun, over to Shaolin Chaun Fa Kung Fu, boxing (got to golden gloves), then a lot of Jeet Kun Do. I went to 3 ninjitsu camps (first one was put on by Steven Hayes!) that we’re six weeks in length. I’ve seen a LOT of cool shit, but I’ve also experience a lot of bullshit. I practiced Chi Kung for hundreds of hours trying to increase and control my chi, and I’ve seen visiting grandmasters ‘push people down’ using only their chi. This was the biggest case of emperors clothes I’ve ever seen: We’d all stand in a line and he would make his movements and everyone would fall when they are supposed to, except me. I didn’t feel shit no matter how many times he tried, and no matter how many dirty looks I received from my master. I couldn’t believe my friends in the class when they say they felt it when they fell, they wanted to believe it so badly. This was the start of me being turned off to this kind of thing, I didn’t sign up for bullshit. At the ninjitsu camps, we practiced what you are referring to, but I didn’t get nearly as advanced as you say; we would stand in the middle of a circle of people that we’re about two feet from us, and they would take turns pointing at the person in the middle who was blindfolded. They would raise their arms to point slowly, and we would try to point back at who we felt was pointing at us before they actually touched our head. I would rarely be able to sense who was close before they touched me, but some of the more experienced guys were impressive; they seemed to sense with good accuracy people’s pointing fingers that were about a foot away. But dodging baseballs blindfolded or hitting moving objects while blindfolded is not something any reasonable person would believe unless they saw it for themselves. So, I’m afraid it’s all hot air until some proof is offered. It's good to keep an open mind, but not so open that one's brain falls out...
 

NietzscheKeen

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People feel a responsibility to the person that is performing the feat, be it a karate master, a faith healer, a magician, or a stage hypnotist. If you were assisting David Copperfield on stage and you saw how one of his tricks was performed from your vantage point, it would be a real dick move to point it out wouldn't it? It's expectations and social give and take so to speak. I forget the real psychological term for it, sorry.
 

Beefbisquit

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Uplift wtf you talking bout. My sensi just held it above his head was stationary no movement of the feet. No pivotal movement what's so ever. Only the arms... If you mean when he raises up to strike of course you would here that. But notice Massaki hold it in place for a while this is done so movement can't be timed out.
He raises the sword, and when he wants to hit someone he swings down immediately. When he wants the person to dodge before he swings there is a very small backswing of a few inches. Just watch the video, it's easy to see.
 

mindphuk

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People feel a responsibility to the person that is performing the feat, be it a karate master, a faith healer, a magician, or a stage hypnotist. If you were assisting David Copperfield on stage and you saw how one of his tricks was performed from your vantage point, it would be a real dick move to point it out wouldn't it? It's expectations and social give and take so to speak. I forget the real psychological term for it, sorry.
There is a level of compliance that is looked for when choosing an audience member to assist in a trick. That said however, most of the time, the chosen assistant is so unused to being in front of an audience, and not knowing always what is expected of them can be manipulated in many ways and even if a trick is blatantly exposed, they often will not recognize it and if they did, they will not say anything while onstage. There is also something called dual reality, where the spectator experiences a very different effect than the rest of the audience. The audience sees an astounding miracle but the effect was achieved with some help by the spectator although the in such a way that they are completely unaware that they helped the performer. Derren Brown has used this to great effect in some of his work.

Stage hypnotism may or may not be real depending on the performer. A good performer may attempt to weed out fakers through the use of some tests, although not always reliable. However, sometimes a pseudo-hypnotism effect is presented where people think they have been hypnotized by the use of certain tricks that convince them of their suggestibility. This then enhances the cooperation between performer and subject, while no real hypnotism has occurred, a person that is convinced they are will perform as if they were.
 

Heisenberg

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Wow, I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes! ;)
I constantly get accused of not paying attention to the 'real evidence', and when I ask for it, invariably this is the type of crap I am shown. It's essentially the same for alternative medicine, anti-vax, GMO truthers, and ancient aliens. They point to a big steaming pile of crap and then, when no one wants to pay attention, they assume they must be onto something.

Incidentally, one of the more enjoyable vids i've come across,

[video=youtube;mVg2pfwVAHA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVg2pfwVAHA[/video]
 

tyler.durden

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Where's your evidence that is a depiction of the sun? We actually know the Sumerian symbol for the sun and that ain't it. How in the world do you see anything that resembles the milky way? Please quit using the discredited pseudo-archaeologist Sitchin for your source. It really is an insult to those real scholars that actually spend time and energy learning what the ancient cultures really were like and believed based on painstaking examination of the evidence as opposed to speculation and wishful thinking.
I think he meant the Sun and our Solar system, as he kept repeating Pluto. Since that star symbol is not intended to represent the Sun, it doesn't matter anyway...
 

Chronic Masterbator

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Tyler it can be done blindfolded and still hit moving targets. I prefer bo shuriken for this technique. I would also say it takes lots and lots of training. Skill is depends on how long one trains for.
For everyone else that wants to dispute aliens influencing us. You won't believe ever. Even if they came down today. There have been whole cities that witnessed UFO activities. I believe them because there are to many witnesses. They can't all be conspiracy freaks.

Why is it hard to except at some point we had some intervention by them.
Also I choose not partake in selfish desire to PROVE techniques. Momochi said when we use this to fulfill desire that is when ninjutsu won't work. Choson ninja on YouTube has a video hitting moving targets blindfolded.
There is six sense find a medium and they will prove other wise. I have no reason to talk bullshit let alone lie to boost my ego. Unlike some individuals here that need that boost. I have no reason what so ever to tell you lies. Does me no good its up to you if you want to believe me or not.
 

mindphuk

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I think he meant the Sun and our Solar system, as he kept repeating Pluto. Since that star symbol is not intended to represent the Sun, it doesn't matter anyway...
So he doesn't even know the difference between a galaxy and a solar system? Just one more reason to reject his posts for the fatuous ramblings they are.
 

mindphuk

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Why is it hard to except at some point we had some intervention by them.
It wouldn't be so hard if there were actual, empirical evidence that led us to accept this premise. Otherwise it's all conjecture and wishful thinking. Why is it so hard to accept that at some point there were really fire-breathing dragons, or elves, or magical swords? Wish fulfillment is not a reason to believe in something.
 

Padawanbater2

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Tyler it can be done blindfolded and still hit moving targets. I prefer bo shuriken for this technique. I would also say it takes lots and lots of training. Skill is depends on how long one trains for.
For everyone else that wants to dispute aliens influencing us. You won't believe ever. Even if they came down today. There have been whole cities that witnessed UFO activities. I believe them because there are to many witnesses. They can't all be conspiracy freaks.

Why is it hard to except at some point we had some intervention by them.
Also I choose not partake in selfish desire to PROVE techniques. Momochi said when we use this to fulfill desire that is when ninjutsu won't work. Choson ninja on YouTube has a video hitting moving targets blindfolded.
There is six sense find a medium and they will prove other wise. I have no reason to talk bullshit let alone lie to boost my ego. Unlike some individuals here that need that boost. I have no reason what so ever to tell you lies. Does me no good its up to you if you want to believe me or not.
You are committing at least 2 logical fallacies in this one post

You are not a worthy opponent
 

mindphuk

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I dont know of the ones that are missing, Im very interested in that, but I DO know of the ones that tried to spread their revolutionary knowledge and then their labs were destroyed by the government along with their careers. Oh, and one was beaten to death, I'll post a link to my information in a bit...

Man, I knew all hell would break loose when this thread was posted lol. The theory I believe in differs slightly from the ancient aliens theory. I believe humanity is MUCH older than the accepted age and that we were once a civilization of advanced beings that had the ability to combine science and spirituality to accomplish great things. Spirit infused technology, can you imagine that shit?
Honestly, your depiction of prior civilizations are based on something that sounds cool, but your idea is much more supportable than aliens. We know so little about our past now, dates are continually being pushed back, and we know so little of mankinds history before 30-40,000 years. We were still human 200,000 years ago. Did we ever build civilizations that were completely destroyed? What if early civilizations were destroyed by a global cataclysm and only a few survived by living in caves and underground?

I'm open to speculation. I just cringe when I here it put forth as a theory, as if it was equivalent to how the term is used in science. Now speculating that the older civilization was somehow more advanced spiritually is pointless IMO. It is beyond speculation, but no one can honestly claim there could never have been earlier, advanced civilization that has left no traces, or some that we have yet to find.
 

Beefbisquit

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I passed the the go Dan test the second time with a baseball. Just to prove others wrong. Can't feel or hear that shit comming. Had friends that didn't believe. Now they do!! I have had several incidents that where similar to that test. 3 times angry mocking birds swooped at the back of my head. And all I did was tilt my head and see em fly past my head. 5th sense is real and can be devolped.

Once you let your mind except that. Then only then you can begin training that sense. Shit I can hit moving targets with throw spikes blind folded. 5th sense is real. In fact you and everyone have some type of ability you haven't realised and yet to unlock.
Prove it. Make a video, un-cut, un-edited, of someone throwing bricks up in the air while you hit them with throwing spikes while wearing a full face mask and blocked-out goggles.

I think you watch too much anime.
 

mindphuk

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Prove it. Make a video, un-cut, un-edited, of someone throwing bricks up in the air while you hit them with throwing spikes while wearing a full face mask and blocked-out goggles.

I think you watch too much anime.
If he can do that, he could be an instant millionaire.

spoiler
Of course I expect him to claim he doesn't need or want the money.
 
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