Any former Trump supporters here? Need your help.

VILEPLUME · Jun 20, 2020

My mother is a huge Trump supporter and only watches Fox news. I'm trying to convince her that she is following a false teacher, but the blinders are way too strong. Trump brags about sexual assult, cheated on all of his wives, bible being his favorite book yet he can't name one verse from it, calling white Supremists "very fine people", she is Ukrainian background yet Trump supports Putin, the list seems to never end.

Anyone here a former Trump supporter but now they see differently? What convinced you and how did you come to that conclusion?

Thank you for your advice.

potroastV2 · Jun 20, 2020

I thought you were Canadian.

:mrgreen:

VILEPLUME · Jun 20, 2020

rollitup said:
I thought you were Canadian.

Lol, I am and so is my mother. That is why it's so hard. She doesn't even watch Canadian news because it's fake too.

schuylaar · Jun 20, 2020

rollitup said:
I thought you were Canadian.

coffee/screen

schuylaar · Jun 20, 2020

VILEPLUME said:
My mother is a huge Trump supporter and only watches Fox news. I'm trying to convince her that she is following a false teacher, but the blinders are way too strong. Trump brags about sexual assult, cheated on all of his wives, bible being his favorite book yet he can't name one verse from it, calling white Supremists "very fine people", she is Ukrainian background yet Trump supports Putin, the list seems to never end.

Anyone here a former Trump supporter but now they see differently? What convinced you and how did you come to that conclusion?

Thank you for your advice.

you need to de-program her..you have to show her the truth through her lens..you can cite: FOX recently reported the real poll numbers..how many businesses and industries have banned the Confederate flag; renamed their business to not reference Civil War..taking down Confederate statues and paintings..you need to show her her people are changing..did she see SELMA? it free on Redbox and excellent (it's got Oprah and she MUST like Oprah everyone likes Oprah and Oprah gets beaten she'll cry like a baby)..she'll learn something if she sees it- i did.

it's the only way..no one can convince her, but her.

David Oyelowo who played Dr. King deserving Best Actor status..he was incredible!

Herb & Suds · Jun 20, 2020

schuylaar said:
you need to de-program her..you have to show her the truth through her lens..you can cite: FOX recently reported the real poll numbers..how many businesses and industries have banned the Confederate flag; renamed their business to not reference Civil War..taking down Confederate statues and paintings..you need to show her her people are changing.

it's the only way..no one can convince her, but her.

Or 5 minutes

Werp · Jun 20, 2020

schuylaar said:
you need to de-program her..you have to show her the truth through her lens..you can cite: FOX recently reported the real poll numbers..how many businesses and industries have banned the Confederate flag; renamed their business to not reference Civil War..taking down Confederate statues and paintings..you need to show her her people are changing.

it's the only way..no one can convince her, but her.

Yeah but they're mostly doing this to avoid being viewed in a cynical way by the mob. Are they TRULY changing or changing just because it's a bad look right now. Let me also state that we are close to, if not in, a civil war right now. They way people are going about things is creating more division than unity.

schuylaar · Jun 20, 2020

Herb & Suds said:
Or 5 minutes

you can condition yourself with a rubber band on your wrist.

schuylaar · Jun 20, 2020

Werp said:
Yeah but they're mostly doing this to avoid being viewed in a cynical way by the mob. Are they TRULY changing or changing just because it's a bad look right now. Let me also state that we are close to, if not in, a civil war right now. They way people are going about things is creating more division than unity.

we all have our own moral compass and at the end of the day, responsible for ourselves and choices made.

'the way people are going about things..' what are your ideas?

hanimmal · Jun 20, 2020

VILEPLUME said:
My mother is a huge Trump supporter and only watches Fox news. I'm trying to convince her that she is following a false teacher, but the blinders are way too strong. Trump brags about sexual assult, cheated on all of his wives, bible being his favorite book yet he can't name one verse from it, calling white Supremists "very fine people", she is Ukrainian background yet Trump supports Putin, the list seems to never end.

Anyone here a former Trump supporter but now they see differently? What convinced you and how did you come to that conclusion?

Thank you for your advice.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/dealing-with-politics-and-family.990663/post-14936165 If you find something that works let me know.

I am thinking next time I am in a room with my Trump supporting family, I might open with the Rubber Hand trick:

And then show them the McGurk effect:

Then hopefully their minds will be blown away with how easy it is to program a human brain with false information, then explain that is what cult leaders like Trump do. The steadily repeated direct stimulus (Facebook/social media/TV/Hate Radio of choice for them showing them what they fear the most) has overwritten their brains with false information.

It is just rational to have some crazy fear or 'Liberals' if what they believed was true, but it is not true.

Werp · Jun 20, 2020

schuylaar said:
we all have our own moral compass and at the end of the day, responsible for ourselves and choices made.

'the way people are going about things..' what are your ideas?

We are responsible for ourselves so maybe we should focus on ourselves instead of trying to push our moral compass onto others in a way that says- it's this way or the highway. Honestly, I think the elite were getting worried that our anger was starting to spill over and the focus was becoming them. Now through the help of the media they have us focused on each other and away from them.

Wattzzup · Jun 20, 2020

Have you tried hitting her over the head until she agrees to stop following him blindly? bongsmilie

schuylaar · Jun 20, 2020

Werp said:
We are responsible for ourselves so maybe we should focus on ourselves instead of trying to push our moral compass onto others in a way that says- it's this way or the highway. Honestly, I think the elite were getting worried that our anger was starting to spill over and the focus was becoming them. Now through the help of the media they have us focused on each other and away from them.

you know, Trump app will give you +100 points if you bring a friend.

spek9 · Jun 20, 2020

VILEPLUME said:
Lol, I am and so is my mother. That is why it's so hard. She doesn't even watch Canadian news because it's fake too.

There's not yet a Canada/US border wall, so kick her down south for a while so she can live in the chaos for a couple of weeks.

That should straighten her out.

If she contracts the virus, apparently, the US is over stockpiled with the cure:

US stockpile stuck with 63 million doses of hydroxychloroquine

The federal government is stuck with 63 million doses of hydroxychloroquine now that the US Food and Drug Administration has revoked permission for the drug to be distributed to treat coronavirus patients.

www.cnn.com

hanimmal · Jun 20, 2020

Werp said:
We are responsible for ourselves so maybe we should focus on ourselves instead of trying to push our moral compass onto others in a way that says- it's this way or the highway. Honestly, I think the elite were getting worried that our anger was starting to spill over and the focus was becoming them. Now through the help of the media they have us focused on each other and away from them.

What do you mean by 'the media'?

spek9 · Jun 20, 2020

Werp said:
We are responsible for ourselves so maybe we should focus on ourselves instead of trying to push our moral compass onto others in a way that says- it's this way or the highway. Honestly, I think the elite were getting worried that our anger was starting to spill over and the focus was becoming them. Now through the help of the media they have us focused on each other and away from them.

Attempting to get someone to realize they've been brainwashed is not the same thing as pushing one's moral compass onto others.

schuylaar · Jun 20, 2020

spek9 said:
There's not yet a Canada/US border wall, so kick her down south for a while so she can live in the chaos for a couple of weeks.

That should straighten her out.

If she contracts the virus, apparently, the US is over stockpiled with the cure:

US stockpile stuck with 63 million doses of hydroxychloroquine

The federal government is stuck with 63 million doses of hydroxychloroquine now that the US Food and Drug Administration has revoked permission for the drug to be distributed to treat coronavirus patients.

www.cnn.com

in addition to contracting a fraudulent manufacturer and paying millions for 2L soda bottle preforms as test tubes that don't fit the racks in labs and are anything but sterile..Trumpy sent Q-TIPS to Seattle in place of testing swabs..she'll really know what it's like to keep winning down south!

i have a couch in NOCO for her :wink:

the pure pollution cloud over Denver will have her calling for you to come get..

schuylaar · Jun 20, 2020

Werp said:
We are responsible for ourselves so maybe we should focus on ourselves instead of trying to push our moral compass onto others in a way that says- it's this way or the highway. Honestly, I think the elite were getting worried that our anger was starting to spill over and the focus was becoming them. Now through the help of the media they have us focused on each other and away from them.

can you give me three examples?

VILEPLUME · Jun 20, 2020

Thank you for the replies. Anyone here a former Trump supporter? Or have we scared them all away?

spek9 · Jun 20, 2020

VILEPLUME said:
Thank you for the replies. Anyone here a former Trump supporter? Or have we scared them all away?

Perhaps people aren't speaking up out of sheer embarrassment of previously being a supporter. Think about it for a minute... would you advertise that you once supported him?

Any former Trump supporters here? Need your help.

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