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colonuggs said:

On another website...theres a bro who does 10 light lateral light grows in his garage... HYDRO

plant light plant light plant light.....no hoods...just 1000 watt hps bulbs hangin at plant level... he averages 2.5- 3 pounds a plant and only grows 10 plants at a time.... thats your 20 pounds plus

Yes you can produce more than you think if you know what your doing

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I call bullshit. Sorry, not trying to be a dick, but the whole "there's this dude on some other website" thing just isn't cutting it for me. Not much credibility in that.

There is no way someone can yield 3 lbs off of one plant in a 3 month period. No way. Outdoor plants often achieve those types of weight (and more) because they're the size of christmas trees when they're finished. Indoors, 1 month veg, and 2 months of flowering (3 months total) equals a half pound at best. I would even believe a pound ..... but no way do I believe 3 pounds.

st0wandgrow said:

I call bullshit. Sorry, not trying to be a dick, but the whole "there's this dude on some other website" thing just isn't cutting it for me. Not much credibility in that.

There is no way someone can yield 3 lbs off of one plant in a 3 month period. No way. Outdoor plants often achieve those types of weight (and more) because they're the size of christmas trees when they're finished. Indoors, 1 month veg, and 2 months of flowering (3 months total) equals a half pound at best. I would even believe a pound ..... but no way do I believe 3 pounds.

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His name is Doudle D and hes a mod there on that website...www.thcfarmer.com

look at his grows and set ups...when he first got on the Farm a few years back he was in his garage....

he was so insperational they gave him his own sub forum on the farm

st0wandgrow said:

I call bullshit. Sorry, not trying to be a dick, but the whole "there's this dude on some other website" thing just isn't cutting it for me. Not much credibility in that.

There is no way someone can yield 3 lbs off of one plant in a 3 month period. No way. Outdoor plants often achieve those types of weight (and more) because they're the size of christmas trees when they're finished. Indoors, 1 month veg, and 2 months of flowering (3 months total) equals a half pound at best. I would even believe a pound ..... but no way do I believe 3 pounds.

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NOBODY is pulling no 1/2 lb off a 1 month veg / 2 months flower period... That's about a pipe dream..

stumpjumper said:

NOBODY is pulling no 1/2 lb off a 1 month veg / 2 months flower period... That's about a pipe dream..

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Read it ...it is possible bro.....hahaha newbies...... your right... it was a 9 day veg

DD had to delete his threads this is a copy

he uses a little over 12,000 watts for 10 plants


as of dry weight he yeilded just one ounce short of 42 pounds..

not wet weight people.. Dry weight

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https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/288529-3-weeks-veg-4-pounds.html

http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f131/mr-dizzles-doubleds-mpb-style-jockin-log-14921/


here is his new grows....Anyone can learn alot here!!!! I think THCfarmer blocked the photos because he used photobucket when he uploaded them


http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f54/doubleds-new-20-light-medical-garden-2915/

what a ton of horse shit crap, this is what happens when you try to help people out.

10 x 1000 watt lights
2 x 600 watt
1 x 3 ton a/c

total cost was 16,000

10 plants 42 pounds

medicinal grower / fully legal / all given away to med patients.

dds

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colonuggs said:

Read it ...it is possible bro.....hahaha newbies...... your right... it was a 9 day veg

DD had to delete his threads this is a copy



https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/288529-3-weeks-veg-4-pounds.html

http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f131/mr-dizzles-doubleds-mpb-style-jockin-log-14921/


here is his new grows....Anyone can learn alot here!!!! I think THCfarmer blocked the photos because he used photobucket when he uploaded them


http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f54/doubleds-new-20-light-medical-garden-2915/

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I'd have to see it to believe it. People talking about it on some internet forum doesn't sell me.

Then contact DD himself... www.thcfarmer.com
he will share info and photos, if your a legal mmj patient

Why do you think alot of people have copied his method... www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f131/
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People posted threads here on RUI about the grows... they saw photos and read posts about 2 yrs ago
www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/288529-3-weeks-veg-4-pounds.html

you still have to have the strain but his latteral growing method with the current driven hyro grows have shown many people the way

st0wandgrow said:

I'd have to see it to believe it. People talking about it on some internet forum doesn't sell me.

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colonuggs said:

Then contact DD himself... www.thcfarmer.com
he will share info and photos, if your a legal mmj patient

Why do you think alot of people have copied his method... www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f131/
.........................................................Read the stickies


People posted threads here on RUI about the grows... they saw photos and read posts about 2 yrs ago
www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/288529-3-weeks-veg-4-pounds.html

you still have to have the strain but his latteral growing method with the current driven hyro grows have shown many people the way

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I'll look in to it for sure. I'm always open to learning new things. I understand that more wattage equals more yield. I was just arguing in favor of this theory on here the other day .... I just thought that there was a limit as to how many lumens you can saturate a plant with before it becomes overkill.

[video=youtube;9LMH8l8rmtQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LMH8l8rmtQ&feature=youtube_gdata[/video]

This video was pm'd to me by him. Take a look at the plant count, the size of the plants, which were vegged for quite a while. Pulling 15-20 lbs on this 3-4 times a year is a joke.

edit...I'll give you credit whitey.....it is at the end directed by you.....it's a nice setup, but you just proved my point.

FAIL.

it's not whether or not it can be done, it's the fact that this caregiver is ripping off his patients. I want to know if the meds are any good? weight may be prior to drying and curing also. just a suggestion.

roosba said:

it's not whether or not it can be done, it's the fact that this caregiver is ripping off his patients. I want to know if the meds are any good? weight may be prior to drying and curing also. just a suggestion.

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Most of the people arguing are the one's screwing patients with 250 and $300 oz, so they don't care about the patient.
There concern is for the caregiver being called a dealer, thief or liar.

Fucking sad isn't it..

Every grow is different. Some caregivers can take very little equipment and kick ass. Some caregivers can spend $20,000 and not get shit for yields due to any hundreds of reasons. Most caregivers are in between. These two people CANNOT treat their patients equally.
Greed is alive and well in every aspect of life. You shouldn't be charging more than $250, maybe if it is your first harvest or something, than you won't have many patients anyway. Everyone's circumstances are different. I wouldn't be quick to call anyone a liar, a crook, a piece of shit, a drug dealer, any of that shit.
If the little ol lady down the road grows kick ass tomatoes, they have a value. I will not be the one to say "Hey you old bitch, I am hungry and I need food to survive. I can't believe you won't give me anything out of your garden you fucking greedy piece of shit".
Buddy, if you grew the best medicine in mid-michigan for $100 per ounce. You take care of your patients, 1 or 2 ounces per month. Then you charge $225 for overages and you average out an extra $1500 after bills and shit. You take that $1500 and buy more equipment, better genetics, experiment with different shit - all while you are getting better as a caregiver. Then I think you are the man. In my honest opinion, Fuck anyone that has a problem with that.

gladstoned said:

Every grow is different. Some caregivers can take very little equipment and kick ass. Some caregivers can spend $20,000 and not get shit for yields due to any hundreds of reasons. Most caregivers are in between. These two people CANNOT treat their patients equally.
Greed is alive and well in every aspect of life. You shouldn't be charging more than $250, maybe if it is your first harvest or something, than you won't have many patients anyway. Everyone's circumstances are different. I wouldn't be quick to call anyone a liar, a crook, a piece of shit, a drug dealer, any of that shit.
If the little ol lady down the road grows kick ass tomatoes, they have a value. I will not be the one to say "Hey you old bitch, I am hungry and I need food to survive. I can't believe you won't give me anything out of your garden you fucking greedy piece of shit".
Buddy, if you grew the best medicine in mid-michigan for $100 per ounce. You take care of your patients, 1 or 2 ounces per month. Then you charge $225 for overages and you average out an extra $1500 after bills and shit. You take that $1500 and buy more equipment, better genetics, experiment with different shit - all while you are getting better as a caregiver. Then I think you are the man. In my honest opinion, Fuck anyone that has a problem with that.

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Here's the thing though. Based on the law, a caregiver is allowed to possess 2.5 ounces per patient. Even if you have 5 patients plus yourself, you can still only have 15 ounces of dried, usable medicine at any one time. Not even a pound ...... and this cat is sitting on 20 pounds at any given time! What do you think he's doing with that kind of weight?

In my book, that's the very definition of a drug dealer. He's just using the medical law in the state as some type of cover/front for what he's doing, and it's shit like this that gives the medical marijuana movement a black eye to people on the outside looking in. In other words, it's dolts like this that will ruin it for the people that actually NEED the meds!!

Having said that, I have no problem with someone that wants to grow a shit-load of weed and sell it on the black market. Whatever blows your hair back. Just don't pretend to be a "caregiver" and give the rest of us that are doing it within the boundaries of the law a bad name.

st0wandgrow said:

Here's the thing though. Based on the law, a caregiver is allowed to possess 2.5 ounces per patient. Even if you have 5 patients plus yourself, you can still only have 15 ounces of dried, usable medicine at any one time. Not even a pound ...... and this cat is sitting on 20 pounds at any given time! What do you think he's doing with that kind of weight?

In my book, that's the very definition of a drug dealer. He's just using the medical law in the state as some type of cover/front for what he's doing, and it's shit like this that gives the medical marijuana movement a black eye to people on the outside looking in. In other words, it's dolts like this that will ruin it for the people that actually NEED the meds!!

Having said that, I have no problem with someone that wants to grow a shit-load of weed and sell it on the black market. Whatever blows your hair back. Just don't pretend to be a "caregiver" and give the rest of us that are doing it within the boundaries of the law a bad name.

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BRAVO!

I've tried to make that same point over and over around here.
It doesn't just apply to the biggest growers, it goes for anyone profiteering....

Sorry Stow, tried to rep you again but it wouldn't let me.
Guess I have to spread the rep around.

You can't have 20 lbs dried. But this isn't impossible to do. Honestly, the bigger growers that you are talking about have always grown and they aren't on the computer talking about different strains and ways of growing. I don't believe that dude grows 20 pounds every 2 months. I know it's possible, I just think it's bullshit. It's like anything else, go buy some fucking lights and be about it. I spend more time on this site studying and bullshitting than some spend on their entire grow.

Educated patients make for honest caregivers.

st0wandgrow said:

Here's the thing though. Based on the law, a caregiver is allowed to possess 2.5 ounces per patient. Even if you have 5 patients plus yourself, you can still only have 15 ounces of dried, usable medicine at any one time. Not even a pound ...... and this cat is sitting on 20 pounds at any given time! What do you think he's doing with that kind of weight?

In my book, that's the very definition of a drug dealer. He's just using the medical law in the state as some type of cover/front for what he's doing, and it's shit like this that gives the medical marijuana movement a black eye to people on the outside looking in. In other words, it's dolts like this that will ruin it for the people that actually NEED the meds!!

Having said that, I have no problem with someone that wants to grow a shit-load of weed and sell it on the black market. Whatever blows your hair back. Just don't pretend to be a "caregiver" and give the rest of us that are doing it within the boundaries of the law a bad name.

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Dual Bravo! A caregiver should be growing medicine to help patients..not growing as much as he can for profit. Sure, it's ok to make something for your time and effort. But I could easily supply 3 patients, plus myself, 2.5 oz every month...without growing more than the 12 plants I'm allowed on my own. And if the patients gave me 125 an oz..my meds would be free, expenses covered, and a small profit made.

As far as "cost to grow"..it's mostly in electricity. I run 1800 watts in flower and 400 watts in veg (that's a TON of lighting for 6 in flower and 6 in veg) and electricity is about $300 a month for that...that's only 600 per grow...add maybe another 200 per grow for soil, co2 and guano and such, and my cost to produce an oz is maybe $60.

And you actually CAN stay pretty close to dry weight legal limits simply by staggering your flowering plant start times and harvest. (at least with 12 plants)

I would like to see the "dry weight" part of the law amended somehow. Pretty darn hard to dry out only 2.5 oz per patient per harvest. Kinda like trying to only grow a certain number of APPLES on a tree...

Sounds like a nice system. I think if you are doing so good, than you should be helping more people. You have room for two more patients, you can take on those two patients and teach them how to grow and care for their plants and patients and then those two can go on to help ten, and you help two more. Teach people, show them. That will keep the prices down and then the profit will no longer be there for the drug dealer.

This thread is funny shit. 40 plus pounds dry off ten tiny plants gtfo. thcfarmer sounds like its full of liars. with my exp yield has to do with genetics. Iv'e grown plants 7 foot tall down to two foot tall. Iv'e had 4 footers produce the same amount as 7 footers. unless your growing outside in a green house your not getting a pound off a plant. I can fake good pics tell ya what, Ill grow some trees outside move them into a garage and put a cfl on them would you believe I grew it under a cfl? I agree homeboy is sitting on too much weight giving caregivers a black eye people like that will spoil the whole thing for us.

ismokealotofpot said:

This thread is funny shit. 40 plus pounds dry off ten tiny plants gtfo. thcfarmer sounds like its full of liars. with my exp yield has to do with genetics. Iv'e grown plants 7 foot tall down to two foot tall. Iv'e had 4 footers produce the same amount as 7 footers. unless your growing outside in a green house your not getting a pound off a plant. I can fake good pics tell ya what, Ill grow some trees outside move them into a garage and put a cfl on them would you believe I grew it under a cfl? I agree homeboy is sitting on too much weight giving caregivers a black eye people like that will spoil the whole thing for us.

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And when was it that you grew all of those plants you haven't even been legal for a year yet ?

medable amn said:

And when was it that you grew all of those plants you haven't even been legal for a year yet ?

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WARNING WARNING.........You a cop........shouldn't be asking questions like that here. WTF do yo think 99% of the growers on this entire site are doing. DUMB question.

I don't want to start an argument over whats right or wrong, and I was under the opinion that caregivers rape their patients (and some really DO) as well, but then I ran the numbers. I don't care who you are, only Mother Teresa is altruistic enough to work for people for free
My actual costs for a 7 pound grow from seed (Elec, nutes, etc. excluding labor & equipment) is around $1200. If I grow out clones, it drops to half that. HOWEVER, who works for free? ESPECIALLY when it's your livelihood? Who wants to live in a bare subsistence scenario? When you factor in my labor for a 4 month period (from seed grow) at 6 hrs a day, the cost for me to produce 7 lb is right at $29,000, and just under $15,000 for a 2 month (60 day clone grow). I really need to up my weight production to lower my cost per lb. It's the labor that kills price, but my time and knowledge is well worth the $40/hr I factor in.
While that may seem like highway robbery, stop and think about it. I have a mortgage on 2 properties, 3 car payments, Boat payment and upkeep, insurance, utilities, and I do put away some money for my retirement that is right around the corner, and that's not even considering putting anything away for the kids education, since my kids are already adults. There is NO WAY I can swing that on less money and maintain a comfortable lifestyle. My $40/hr labor rate is $20 less per hour than I bill out my time at my shop. AND I risk jail time for my trouble!!! I can either grow full time, which is my passion, to keep my lifestyle going or I can go back to the shop full time. But I can't do both. I like y'all, but not enough to lower my lifestyle so that someone can "medicate" on a budget.

The way I see it, if you gave me 24 plants at 3 oz per (72 oz), and needed 2 oz a week for meds (32 oz), that leaves 40 oz left over for me for my trouble. Considering what I get for an O, I'd give you that in a heartbeat! That would be my "Pro Bono" charity work. ESPECIALLY if I had legal status. That is just me. I don't know all the intricacies and regulations compliance involved in the caregiver business, but I'm sure its a business just like any other, and people know what they have to have to keep themselves in whatever lifestyle they've become accustomed to, or to maybe even better their lot in life, which I begrudge no one.

And for those who disdain "drug dealers", first off, where did you get pot before it became quasi-legal where you live? The weed man was your best friend back then. Where do you think that folks in non legal states get theirs? Oh, maybe they aren't supposed to smoke pot anymore, it might jeopardize the legal status in your state. Don't lump weed growers/sellers in with drug dealers. The ONLY difference between a caregiver and a weed dealer is a very fine (and precarious) line. If weed became legal here, I'd be called a caregiver, not a menace to society. Stop being smug that you have legal status and we don't.