Anyone else watching the Kyle Rittenhouse trial?

CatHedral

CatHedral

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BodegaBud said:
I don’t think anyone disputes the fact that he shouldn’t have been there at that age. The issue is if it was self defense and I have been watching the trial and everything in my mind if I was on the jury so far would point to yes. I think people get too caught up in the political issues of that night and sides. In fact we have more evidence than the jury because we know things that they don’t like the first guy just got out of a psych ward, was in prison for 10 years for raping little boys, and had a violent history. The other two were also convicted felons and the guy that pulled a gun on Kyle just like Kyle was not legally able to own one
so it was no different. Also the skater guy too had a violent history of beating his girlfriends and arrests.
I tried to put myself on both sides even switching the reason why they were there and there was no doubt in my mind it’s self defense. I think there are other things they can get him on but not the shootings. That’s just my opinion at trying to look at it without bias or emotions. If I am incorrect in anything I said please point it out. Try to imagine that the people were involved were there for the opposite reason and see if you can with an unbiased mind fairly say innocent or guilty on the list of charges. Regardless of why he was there I can’t imagine him or anyone else in that position not defending themselves under the exact same circumstances. The face is nobody should of been there past curfew and Rittenhouse wasn’t the only one armed that night illegally. Just my $.02
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Since he shot, one can most certainly get him on the shootings.
Defense is not an appropriate term for what he did. He went out to shoot him some ‘cans.
 
CatHedral

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hanimmal said:
The friend selling him the gun illegally I believe is the felony.

I wonder if the judge is going to allow the video of Rittenhouse saying he wished he had his AR to start blowing people away when he thought they were ripping off the CVS.

Would you be ok if some 17 year old kid from a different state went and stood outside projects somewhere with a gun and waited for someone to 'scare' him and started picking people off?

ps You never said, are you equally ok with the guy that killed the Trump supporter in Portland?
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“outside tony suburbs” instead of projects. Many a Repug would generically approve of shooting projects dwellers on the general principle that they’re n
 
CatHedral

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BodegaBud said:
That is exactly what the DA said when questioning the cinematographer. He said “ So you had a huge group of people smashing up cars and breaking windows in the parking lot next door.” The DA said this LOL. That’s not biased that’s facts! As for your bullshit scenario about what if it were some this or that doesn’t mean anything. We can speculate all day long and you are trying to make it into some racial dog whistle which it is not. When this kind of unrest happens you have different groups that come out. Some are really trying to protest and make a difference and then you have the criminals that look for any chance to cause chaos and destroy property. The first group is similar to Rittenhouse and feel they are doing the right thing and there is nothing wrong with that. The second group, the ones trying to start chaos would be out there for any reason whether it be civil unrest or a natural disaster looting, stealing, harming others. It was said many times the actual protesters would try to stop the rioters and hold them back from committing crimes. I don’t think most of you are making a distinction between protesters and rioters
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Simple. So very simple.
Leftists protest.
The hard right break things.
 
BodegaBud

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CatHedral said:
Since he shot, one can most certainly get him on the shootings.
Defense is not an appropriate term for what he did. He went out to shoot him some ‘cans.
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He had a chance all night to use he weapon but in all the videos I seen he walked away. It wasn’t until he was chased and cornered by the guy that threatened to kill him that he pulled the trigger.
 
CatHedral

CatHedral

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BodegaBud said:
He had a chance all night to use he weapon but in all the videos I seen he walked away. It wasn’t until he was chased and cornered by the guy that threatened to kill him that he pulled the trigger.
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So?
He unnecessarily killed, and he was very deliberately on n* safari. That needs to have consequences.
 
Fogdog

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Hiddengems said:
What world are you living in? Gas is double in price, and store shelves are empty where I live. My business has supplies back ordered for months at a time. Beef is 2-3x it's normal price.

I don't care who runs the show, as long they keep the world i live in actually working.
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What you describe is temporary. Those are supply chain issues that are due to Trump's mishandling of the crisis last year. Especially beef. That's entirely due to disruptions in the workforce and supply chain last year. But I understand why Republicans would want to try to make hay from it. Democrats probably would have too, if the shoe were on the other foot. What you are talking about is all just political theater and you are it's idiot barker.

We saw spanking good employment numbers last month. Wage increases that are going to stick. Do you have a problem with high employment AND workers wages going up? I do understand why Republicans wouldn't want that.
 
BodegaBud

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CatHedral said:
So?
He unnecessarily killed, and he was very deliberately on n* safari. That needs to have consequences.
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Safari for what? Graffiti that he cleaned off the walls? It sounds like Rosenbaum was actually trying to commit suicide. He had tried to kill himself days earlier in a McDonalds parking lot and I’m thinking he was trying to finish the job
 
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mooray

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BodegaBud said:
Safari for what? Graffiti that he cleaned off the walls? It sounds like Rosenbaum was actually trying to commit suicide. He had tried to kill himself days earlier in a McDonalds parking lot and I’m thinking he was trying to finish the job
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Pick someone else. What you've been saying about defense applies Huber and Gaige, but not Rosenbaum. Lookup the charges.
 
CatHedral

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BodegaBud said:
Safari for what? Graffiti that he cleaned off the walls? It sounds like Rosenbaum was actually trying to commit suicide. He had tried to kill himself days earlier in a McDonalds parking lot and I’m thinking he was trying to finish the job
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A kid marches forth with a loaded rifle (autoloading) and one in the chamber. That is not a defense posture.
 
BodegaBud

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mooray said:
Pick someone else. What you've been saying about defense applies Huber and Gaige, but not Rosenbaum. Lookup the charges.
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Why not? Chasing and cornering an armed man that you threaten to kill earlier is not the path to longevity
 
BodegaBud

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CatHedral said:
A kid marches forth with a loaded rifle (autoloading) and one in the chamber. That is not a defense posture.
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Defense means to defend. It doesn’t mean you have to back down or retreat. Again this will set precedents I feel with courts on individuals that defend themselves against aggressors as well as protect property in times of extreme violence
 
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