Arizona Growers Thread

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Philosophist

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irieie

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Philosophist said:
Hey you guys these are my two large plant i vegged in a scgog screen then i ran out of roomm....

Do you think i shoud tie them down on the sides to open up the canopy a bit? Or will my 1k light be enough so that i wont have to worry??

Just talkig some light lst ish tying nothins crazy:P

Here are Minh and Cleo:P

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Also there is a pic of my largest bud so far^^
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your shit is starting to pop off. they look like they are about to start putting on weight. what week in flower are you 3? it seems that they have stopped most of their stretch. at this point lst might hurt more than help. the plant will primarily not grow up any more instead the buds will just get fat. now is the time to make sure you have the light as close as possible without burning the tops. remember the plant number one food source is light.
 
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irieie said:
your shit is starting to pop off. they look like they are about to start putting on weight. what week in flower are you 3? it seems that they have stopped most of their stretch. at this point lst might hurt more than help. the plant will primarily not grow up any more instead the buds will just get fat. now is the time to make sure you have the light as close as possible without burning the tops. remember the plant number one food source is light.
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i am on day 18 of flower. I have the lights about 1.5 feet, but had to move it up as i got a few burn marks>< but im glad to hear they look nice, first time and all im like a kid in a candy shop lol.

thanx guys:P
 
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Philosophist said:
i am on day 18 of flower. I have the lights about 1.5 feet, but had to move it up as i got a few burn marks>< but im glad to hear they look nice, first time and all im like a kid in a candy shop lol.

thanx guys:P
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Hell yeah dude after the first 2 weeks is when all the magic happens. You can test the heat of your light by putting your hand underneath it. If it doesnt burn your hand after 10 seconds you are good to go. If it burns keep raising it until it doesnt burn anymore.
 
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I have another general question lol...
I am feeding a Tbspn of molasses per gallon at each feeding plus super thrive....is that ok to do?? I am doing 3 nutes feeding that all water. Sound about right?
 
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Philosophist said:
i am on day 18 of flower. I have the lights about 1.5 feet, but had to move it up as i got a few burn marks>< but im glad to hear they look nice, first time and all im like a kid in a candy shop lol.

thanx guys:P
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try placing a fan so it blows in between the top of the canopy and the light. you can also look into getting a light spreader i have heard that they are effective but have never used one. right now just let them do their thing. what are you feeding with? just wait bro the best part is yet to come. to me i enjoy weeks 4-6 in flower the most. this is when you see the buds appearing in front of your eyes. my least favorite time is drying because nothing is happening you just have to wait.
 
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irieie

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Philosophist said:
I have another general question lol...
I am feeding a Tbspn of molasses per gallon at each feeding plus super thrive....is that ok to do?? I am doing 3 nutes feeding that all water. Sound about right?
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what is your soil? what are all the products you are using and how?
 
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I am using FFoF, and there line of nutes.
FOr flower i use 3 tspn of Big bloom and 3 of tiger bloom.
I go to a water store that is close to me for water that is Ph'd to 6.8. and 2 ppm
so i mix it half and half with tap water which is 260 or so.

Then mix in my Molasses and super thrive, toss it in a water feeder thing and give it to them in little bits.
 
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Philosophist said:
I am using FFoF, and there line of nutes.
FOr flower i use 3 tspn of Big bloom and 3 of tiger bloom.
I go to a water store that is close to me for water that is Ph'd to 6.8. and 2 ppm
so i mix it half and half with tap water which is 260 or so.

Then mix in my Molasses and super thrive, toss it in a water feeder thing and give it to them in little bits.
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do you amend the ph after you mix up nutes? i have used all of foxfarm products for many grows. the one thing which made me switch base nutrients was the ph swing you get when you mix in the tiger bloom and the big bloom is garbage nothing but watered down worm castings and shit. i would higly recommend getting the soluble tripack (open sesame, beastie blooms and cha ching). they are the only FF products i still use and they will make a huge difference when feeding with all FF bases. seeing that you are going into week three soon i would for sure get some kind of PK booster (beastie blooms, kool bloom, pk 13/14 etc.) this will help your buds grow nice and fat. molasses is an alright carbo load but most of the sugars cant be taken up by the plant and it acts more as food for the soil food web. you might want to look into using a sweetener like sweet from botanicare. i use bud candy from AN. another thing which you might want to add is some cal mag. cal mag def was one of the things i found when using FF bases and RO water.
 
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irieie said:
do you amend the ph after you mix up nutes? i have used all of foxfarm products for many grows. the one thing which made me switch base nutrients was the ph swing you get when you mix in the tiger bloom and the big bloom is garbage nothing but watered down worm castings and shit. i would higly recommend getting the soluble tripack (open sesame, beastie blooms and cha ching). they are the only FF products i still use and they will make a huge difference when feeding with all FF bases. seeing that you are going into week three soon i would for sure get some kind of PK booster (beastie blooms, kool bloom, pk 13/14 etc.) this will help your buds grow nice and fat. molasses is an alright carbo load but most of the sugars cant be taken up by the plant and it acts more as food for the soil food web. you might want to look into using a sweetener like sweet from botanicare. i use bud candy from AN. another thing which you might want to add is some cal mag. cal mag def was one of the things i found when using FF bases and RO water.
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What nutrient line do you recommend??

blue mountain organic i hear is good and good priced..but i just want some nice buds^^

Ya the nutes always drop my Ph to 60 or so, so i drop some GH ph up in there until im back around 6.8
 
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Philosophist said:
Ya the nutes always drop my Ph to 60 or so, so i drop some GH ph up in there until im back around 6.8
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this is good. 6.8 is a little high i like to feed mine at 6.5 for veg (increased N uptake in this range) and i let it get a bit lower in flower like 5.8-6.2. i would not recommend on line of nutrient thats like rating a restaraunt by everything on their menu. the way that i see it is you have different product types and each company make each type, but no company makes all the best products. in my philosophy you need a base, bloom enhancers, a sweetener, an enzyme, a silica, a cal mag. for my base in flower i like to use GH florabloom and micro at a 1/2 ratio (AKA lucas formula). i am currently testing out jungle juice from AN which is an exact rip off of GH, but i got it for free so i thought what the hell. for my bloom enhancers i use the fox farm solubles, for my sweetener i use bud candy (i found better results than sweet). for my enzyme i have always used hygrozyme with amazong results. this run i am trying sensizyme from AN because it was 10$ cheaper. for silica i use silica blast from botanicare ( way cheaper than others like rhino skin) and for my cal mag i use cal mag plus ( i like the added bit of N). thats what i use in flower. i start bloom nutes 1 week into flower and stop 10-14 days before harvest and flush and then feed with only molasses.
 
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Philosophist said:
So what will i need to get from Sea of green next time i go?
just something to go by...in so dumb when it comes to all the nutrients ><
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here is what i would get to add to your nutrient lineup: the foxfarm soluble tripack, 1 liter of bud candy, and a bottle of hygrozyme or sensizyme. all these can be added with your current lineup with no problem. you can follow the chart if you get the FF solubles (start at 1/2 strength so you dont burn anything) and adding the bud candy and enzyme will not really alter your ppm at all except for a bit of mg i think in the BC so dont really worry about that. on another note, i think you should be using more big bloom
than 15 ml per gallon. it will not burn your plants as it is all organic based and does not really contain any salts. if i remember correctly if you use at full strength in flower it only changes the ppm by about 260. this is one of the reasons why i went with another base.
 
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If your heart is set on bottled nutrients I would recommend botanicare pureblend pro grow and bloom.....cal mag plus if using just RO water.....there are a lot of bottled nutrients that work and might be cheaper...I only recommend botanicare pureblend because it is the one I have the most experience with.....if you have a quality soil you might not even use the grow.....but it is good to have just in case.......botanicare also has bloom boosters,sweetners and kelp extracts but are not necessary to grow quality cannabis.....I like to keep it simple.....a little advise no matter what nutrients you choose,start half strength and only feed when your plants ask.....
 
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If your heart is set on bottled nutrients I would recommend botanicare pureblend pro grow and bloom.....cal mag plus if using just RO water.....there are a lot of bottled nutrients that work and might be cheaper...I only recommend botanicare pureblend because it is the one I have the most experience with.....if you have a quality soil you might not even use the grow.....but it is good to have just in case.......botanicare also has bloom boosters,sweetners and kelp extracts but are not necessary to grow quality cannabis.....I like to keep it simple.....a little advise no matter what nutrients you choose,start half strength and only feed when your plants ask.....
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i like the pureblend pro. i use it as a base in veg along with liquid karma. botanicare is a local company too so you can help out local businesses by buying their products instead of sending your money to canada to be spent on the next add campaign or issue of rosebud magazine.
 
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wow so i could add ALL that to my current mix?? im SO doing that shit....ill go look around and see what the porices are

JCDW what do you mean by bottled nutes?? i though they all came in bottles???
thanx guys:P
 
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i know the prices of the top of my head. the soluble tripack will run about $90, the bud candy will run you about $30 per liter and the sensizyme will run you 30$ per liter, if you want the hygrozyme instead of the sensizyme, it will cost you 10$ more. be sure to ask for your green member discount when you go to sea of green.

i believe he is referring to compost teas. these do not come in bottles. they are organic nutrients which you add water and maybe a bit of mollasses and brew for 12-24 hours. this is a 100% organic style of growing.
 
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jcdws602 said:
If your heart is set on bottled nutrients I would recommend botanicare pureblend pro grow and bloom.....cal mag plus if using just RO water.....there are a lot of bottled nutrients that work and might be cheaper...I only recommend botanicare pureblend because it is the one I have the most experience with.....if you have a quality soil you might not even use the grow.....but it is good to have just in case.......botanicare also has bloom boosters,sweetners and kelp extracts but are not necessary to grow quality cannabis.....I like to keep it simple.....a little advise no matter what nutrients you choose,start half strength and only feed when your plants ask.....
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I see a lot of growers mixing things up with Advanced Nutrients Sensi A & B with some other stuff and everyone loves roots excelerator by House and Garden.
 
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Philosophist said:
wow so i could add ALL that to my current mix?? im SO doing that shit....ill go look around and see what the porices are

JCDW what do you mean by bottled nutes?? i though they all came in bottles???
thanx guys:P
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No not all nutrients come in bottles.....a well balanced soil can get you through a whole grow adding only water if amended right....kelp meal,blood meal,bone meal,guanos etc.,can be used to make your own teas or amend your soil to provide everything your plants will need.....and are more affordable......just takes a little time and effort.....beware of using a lot of supplements.....most new growers tend to over dose there plants trying to achieve maximum growth and yields by throwing everything the nutrient companies come out with and I am not saying they don't work,but are not necessary and can and will cause major problems to an unexperienced grower....I would recommend growing a strain first with a simple nutrient regimen....after knowing how and what a particular strain needs and limits are you can start to add 1 supplement at a time.....that way you can see if there are any added benefits......most plants just need the minimum,,,,good environment....and the least human interaction as possible to grow vigorously and produce quality meds.....
 
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