Atheism

Atheism is an intellectual position. What reasons do you have for holding that position? Your reasons are based upon logic and/or evidence or lack of it. So, is there any reason/evidence for you holding your position that you defend?

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If you say that atheism needs no evidence or reason, then you are holding a position that has no evidence or rational basis? If so, then isn't that simply faith?

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If you say that atheism is supported by the lack of evidence for God, then it is only your opinion that there is no evidence. You cannot know all evidence for or against God, therefore you cannot say there is no evidence for God.

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If you say that atheism needs no evidence to support it because it is a position about the lack of something, then do you have other positions you hold based upon lack of evidence...like say, screaming blue ants? Do you hold the position that they do not exist or that you lack belief in them, too?

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Everything that was brought into existence was caused to exist. Can you have an infinite regression of causes? No, since to get to "now" you'd have to traverse an infinite past. It seems that there must be a single uncaused cause. Why can't that be God?

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Examples of logical absolutes:

Examples of logical absolutes are: something cannot be itself and not itself at the same time (Law of non-contradiction). A thing is what it is (Law of identity). A statement is either true or false (Law of excluded middle). These are simple, absolute logical absolutes

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"I lack belief in a God." If you say that atheism is simply lack of belief in a god, then my cat is an atheist the same as the tree outside and the sidewalk out front, since they also lack faith. Therefore, your definition is insufficient.

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http://www.carm.org/cut-atheism

hahahaah i bet you reckon the world is only 2000 years old aswell

can you explain a dinosaur to me or a fossil maybe,hmmm i thought not.
god created man in his own image...he must of been one hell of a cunt no? starting wars on fake beliefs,raping, murder,incest,brainwashing by large factions(pastor felps),mass genocide.
Ye real nice deity

"If you say that atheism needs no evidence or reason, then you are holding a position that has no evidence or rational basis? If so, then isn't that simply faith?"

No that statement is not true WE, humans have created life so god cant be the almighty creator.

I base my beliefs on fact, you wouldnt believe that theres a giant pasta jelly fish monster in the sky just coz i said so, and theres no way of proving me wrong.
religion just em when there young which IS BRAINWASHING,or maybe GROOMING is a better destriction.

*christopher hitchens* educate your selfs this man knows his shit yo

I believe people will believe what they want, and there are way too many threads about this debate...
People will believe in what makes sense to them, no debate is going to change the fact that there IS Atheists.
I too am Atheist and I think it's kinda lame how everyone rags on what I believe, just because it's not what they THINK is right.
There are many religions that don't believe in "god", not just Atheism, get used to it because again;
Nothing anyone is going to say throughout this entire thread is going to change a damn thing.
Sorry.

in your opinion.
im not an athiest im an antitheist

religion = wars FACT

You know, it's pretty shitty to hate someone over what they believe in.
I could never.
That's a very mean thing to say=[
I don't hate people who believe in god, I really don't think it matters....
Like this world seriously needs more war...
I guess no one believes in peace anymore.

&One more thing;
Hating them still isn't going to change ANYTHING.

i dont hate all religious people just the ones that"spread the good word". I feel that they spead the proverb "ignorence is bliss.
i dont hate on all followers ether its just when a religous person refuses to except the facts before them, and believe mear theorys, that they are idiots.

Dont start about me causing wars. nearly every war today is about some religous sect hating another look at the crusades(old i no) sheite hating musluim, muslim hating the west.

Its all a load of bollox

peace

p.s i dont hate you ether i just presume your a little mis-guided.

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-Sighs-
Sweetie, you should reevaluate what you just said for me, with better spelling and punctuation next time because I hardly could make out what you said.
I am pretty sure I am not misguided, I know what I believe and it makes sense to me.
And I wasn't getting on your case about causing wars; I was simply stating that people need to respect others beliefs because we are all different, and have different aspects of what to and what not to believe, and everyone needs to respect that.
It is every individuals right to believe what they want without getting looked down upon;
Don't try and shame me for my beliefs, shame on you for disrespecting other religions.
And correct me if I'm wrong, But you also said that since I'm Atheist that I'm an idiot?

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I think he puts everything right in order

Lmao that was perfect.
Nice to know someone's on my side

That IS the truth very funny but he made a valid point. You would have to be crazy to believe that stuff.
Can you not see how blind faith is a dangerous thing. would you look both ways before crossing the street or "believe" that its clear and walk across without looking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_z7kqFSi_0

check him out i really think he is worth listening to, please check out anything by him he has a couple of books out read them if you got time.
He isnt a hater he just believes in the human race and that we can all work towards a better future for everyone.

peace

Joe is the man. He can even box your head in in MMA lol or fill it with useful information.

nazarethjay said:

That IS the truth very funny but he made a valid point. You would have to be crazy to believe that stuff.
Can you not see how blind faith is a dangerous thing. would you look both ways before crossing the street or "believe" that its clear and walk across without looking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_z7kqFSi_0

check him out i really think he is worth listening to, please check out anything by him he has a couple of books out read them if you got time.
He isnt a hater he just believes in the human race and that we can all work towards a better future for everyone.

peace

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My word....
Things people buy into these days...

what do you mean buy into, don't you like mr hitchins

cavebaby said:

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http://www.carm.org/cut-atheism

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What's the point of this thread? There are already two others debating god/atheism going on. I'm not sure we should all start new threads when we have a thought about this debate. Cavebaby, I'm guessing you mainly wanted to abandon ship on the 'people who debate religion' thread after padawan tore your points apart? I was curious to see your response there.

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All hail the jug of milk! lol

oh MY GOD. NOT ANOTHER ONE!!!!

trichlone fiend said:

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i believe that is the best youtube video i have seen yet.

Leothwyn said:

What's the point of this thread? There are already two others debating god/atheism going on. I'm not sure we should all start new threads when we have a thought about this debate. Cavebaby, I'm guessing you mainly wanted to abandon ship on the 'people who debate religion' thread after padawan tore your points apart? I was curious to see your response there.

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Dream on, I was hoping to find a worthy opponent, as for tearing apart anything last i saw all he had was opinion