Bachmann wins straw poll in Iowa

tet1953

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Dems are guilty of it too, don't get me wrong. Like when entitlements come into play and they trot out the argument about their 90 year old grandmother when everybody knows that any reform will not affect current retirees or even anyone close to retirement. Disingenuous and ticks me off.
 

Johnnyorganic

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Ok sure. Like whenever she talks about the debt and deficit. The real debate is whether or not to have a balanced approach, whether or not to include tax increases. But she and her ilk can't win that debate, because common sense dictates it. So instead, they change the debate. Always making it about tax increases vs. spending cuts, taxes instead of cuts, as if it has to be one or the other. They know that no one is remotely suggesting taxes only but the speak as if that was the argument put forward. Disingenuous at best, and it ticks me off.
The only BALANCED approach would be to force the freeloaders who pay no income taxes to pony up.

47% of filers pay NO income taxes. But the Democrap vision of a balanced approach is to go after the achievers.

There is no BALANCE whatsoever to that approach. Only class warfare.

Not having any of it. :twisted:
 

Charlie Ventura

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Ok sure. Like whenever she talks about the debt and deficit. The real debate is whether or not to have a balanced approach, whether or not to include tax increases. But she and her ilk can't win that debate, because common sense dictates it. So instead, they change the debate. Always making it about tax increases vs. spending cuts, taxes instead of cuts, as if it has to be one or the other. They know that no one is remotely suggesting taxes only but the speak as if that was the argument put forward. Disingenuous at best, and it ticks me off.
OK, thanks for the response. This all depends upon one's political perspective. "Balanced" as the Democrats define it is Tax now, reduce spending later. The "later" never comes, of course. History bears me out on this. Coming from the conservative perspective, reduction in taxes along with large reductions in spending equates to private, not government, economic power.

Its time to draw the line in the sand; either its economic and political liberty, or its living under the thumb of our liege lords in Washington D.C. Which one is your choice?
 

munch box

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The only BALANCED approach would be to force the freeloaders who pay no income taxes to pony up.

47% of filers pay NO income taxes. But the Democrap vision of a balanced approach is to go after the achievers.

There is no BALANCE whatsoever to that approach. Only class warfare.

Not having any of it. :twisted:
The flat tax is a balanced approach. That way eveybody pays thier "fair share" isn't that what democrats have been saying? we all need to pay our fair share. I think the flat tax is a great idea. simplify the tax code, not make it more complicated. Because right now rich people get thier tax attorneys to exploit our tax system through loopholes and bogus write offs
 

Charlie Ventura

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The flat tax doesn't get rid of the IRS and their intrusions into our private lives. In a truly free society, it is none of the government's business how much the citizen makes, how the citizen makes it, or how the citizen spends it, as long as the citizen doesn't violate the rights of another in the process. Therefore, I support the FairTax ... a simple, end user sales tax.
 

tet1953

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When conservatives say that they are in favor of a flat tax, it is not because the end result of a flat tax is the rich paying more than they do today. Slice it and dice it any way you want, that is what is needed.
 

Johnnyorganic

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The flat tax is a balanced approach. That way eveybody pays thier "fair share" isn't that what democrats have been saying? we all need to pay our fair share. I think the flat tax is a great idea. simplify the tax code, not make it more complicated. Because right now rich people get thier tax attorneys to exploit our tax system through loopholes and bogus write offs
I'm open to the Flat Tax, but taxing income is counter-intuitive.

That is why the Progressive Income Tax is so destructive.

We should be encouraging people to make more money. Taxing income discourages it.

The Fair Tax is more equitable all the way around.
 

UncleBuck

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I'm open to the Flat Tax, but taxing income is counter-intuitive.

That is why the Progressive Income Tax is so destructive.

We should be encouraging people to make more money. Taxing income discourages it.

The Fair Tax is more equitable all the way around.
i've been on vacation the last few days in colorado. i was lazing around my father-in-law's million dollar home, drinking beer, watching the republican debate.

he walked by and told me to turn that shit off, and then he heard them talking about balancing the budget. to which he interjected, it has to be a balanced approach.

i asked him if he wanted a balanced approach even if it cost him more money, as he pulls several hundred thousand a year.

he replied that it was a marginal tax increase, about 3%. incredulously, he ranted that if it cost him $3,000 to make another $100,000, he would take it ALL DAY LONG.

i put that in caps because that was how he said it.

that is an actual achiever, not the galt that you righties seem to tout as your trump card :lol:

stick that in your pipe and smoke it. or go galt, we'll be here to replace you.
 

UncleBuck

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SEAL THE MOTHERFUCKING BORDERS! ...tighter than a flea's asshole.
what about the other 50% of illegal immigrants who come here legally and overstay visas? :dunce:

did you hear during the debate how the candidates all talked about "the four border states"?

i thought we had more thn just four, but what the fuck do i know?
 

Johnnyorganic

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i've been on vacation the last few days in colorado. i was lazing around my father-in-law's million dollar home, drinking beer, watching the republican debate.

he walked by and told me to turn that shit off, and then he heard them talking about balancing the budget. to which he interjected, it has to be a balanced approach.

i asked him if he wanted a balanced approach even if it cost him more money, as he pulls several hundred thousand a year.

he replied that it was a marginal tax increase, about 3%. incredulously, he ranted that if it cost him $3,000 to make another $100,000, he would take it ALL DAY LONG.

i put that in caps because that was how he said it.

that is an actual achiever, not the galt that you righties seem to tout as your trump card :lol:

stick that in your pipe and smoke it. or go galt, we'll be here to replace you.
Well, if your Pappy-in-law wants to pay more, he is welcome to do so. The IRS takes donations.

But Galt is happening all around you, Donks just refuse to see it.

The Achievers are sitting on their hands (for the most part). The parenthetical is in reference to your PIL and Matt Damon, et al.

Ease up on the taxes and regulations. Send a message to the achievers that they will not be punished for achieving.

Then polish your resume.

And stand back.
 

UncleBuck

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Well, if your Pappy-in-law wants to pay more, he is welcome to do so. The IRS takes donations.

But Galt is happening all around you, Donks just refuse to see it.

The Achievers are sitting on their hands (for the most part). The parenthetical is in reference to your PIL and Matt Damon, et al.

Ease up on the taxes and regulations. Send a message to the achievers that they will not be punished for achieving.

Then polish your resume.

And stand back.
well, my "pappy-in-law" (PIL) just opened a new business in addition to his existing ones.

he does audits on houses and makes suggestions on how to make them more energy efficient, thus blowing to smitherines your assertion that achievers are "sitting on their hands" mainly due to "taxes and regulations".

he just cashed his first check from the new business the day my wife and i drove into town.

and again, he doesn't mind if he pays 3% more to earn another $100k. no sane person would. that is just your right-wing, masturbatory talking point.

go galt, johnny. earn shit so the rest of us can earn it instead :evil:
 

Johnnyorganic

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what about the other 50% of illegal immigrants who come here legally and overstay visas?
If they overstay after the borders are sealed, they should be treated as invaders and dealt with accordingly.

Even if their nephew happens to be POTUS. :twisted:

did you hear during the debate how the candidates all talked about "the four border states"?

i thought we had more thn just four, but what the fuck do i know?
I don't pay attention to the debates. Hot air.

We do have more than four borders. But it is irrelevant how many we have because every one should be secured. ASAP.
 

Johnnyorganic

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well, my "pappy-in-law" (PIL) just opened a new business in addition to his existing ones.

he does audits on houses and makes suggestions on how to make them more energy efficient, thus blowing to smitherines your assertion that achievers are "sitting on their hands" mainly due to "taxes and regulations".

he just cashed his first check from the new business the day my wife and i drove into town.

and again, he doesn't mind if he pays 3% more to earn another $100k. no sane person would. that is just your right-wing, masturbatory talking point.

go galt, johnny. earn shit so the rest of us can earn it instead :evil:
Blows what to smithereens? I parenthetically referenced your PIL as one who is not sitting on his hands.

He found a way to use the green energy bullshit to his advantage. Bully for him.

But look at the economy, Buck. It's in the shitter because MOST achievers are not willing to take risks right now.
 

UncleBuck

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Blows what to smithereens? I parenthetically referenced your PIL as one who is not sitting on his hands.

He found a way to use the green energy bullshit to his advantage. Bully for him.

But look at the economy, Buck. It's in the shitter because MOST achievers are not willing to take risks right now.
that green energy bullshit :cuss:

who wants to earn/save money when they could be flushing it away? fucking idiots :lol:

i am in little america, wyoming right now. a couple days early, but the wife had school plans change.

which reminds me, shouldn't you be studying? you have an important test coming up on the 16th here.
 

UncleBuck

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and as far as the "blown to smithereens" (i misspelled that, my bad) reference goes, i could go another route.

tax rates and regulation were similar in the clinton era as they are now. in fact, taxes were lower. :shock:

yet people still invested, no matter how risky the dotcom bubble ended up being.

why do you suppose that was? higher taxes, all that pesky regulation you rail against, yet they still invested. i wonder why.
 

Johnnyorganic

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that green energy bullshit :cuss:

who wants to earn/save money when they could be flushing it away? fucking idiots :lol:

i am in little america, wyoming right now. a couple days early, but the wife had school plans change.

which reminds me, shouldn't you be studying? you have an important test coming up on the 16th here.
I've been studying all day. Reviewing. And taking practice exams.

Now I am drinking a cold beer.
 

Johnnyorganic

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and as far as the "blown to smithereens" (i misspelled that, my bad) reference goes, i could go another route.

tax rates and regulation were similar in the clinton era as they are now. in fact, taxes were lower. :shock:

yet people still invested, no matter how risky the dotcom bubble ended up being.

why do you suppose that was? higher taxes, all that pesky regulation you rail against, yet they still invested. i wonder why.
As far as the dot com bubble is concerned, the chance to make a quick buck often obscures the threat of risk. The bubble was overheated thanks to Y2K. The market soon took care of that.

But, for some reason, a market solution is not the answer NOW.

And I am not sure I agree on the tax rates. I would need to see a source on that.

The regulations that are coming down the pike are doing a very effective job of cowing the achievers. Uncertainty does that. ;-)
 

NoDrama

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cold beer for the both of us!

but only one of us is enjoying a cool breeze on the high plains of wyoming.

off to dinner with the wife....
There isn't anything where you are at but some distant Buttes. Where the Antelope play and the sagebrush scents the breeze. I lived In Rock Springs and Green River when I was Younger. My father helped build Briger Power Plant and My Grandparents owned a lot of land up by the Flaming Gorge. I know Exactly where you are, hot days and beautiful sunsets painted by the scoria vistas. Most people are Mormons in them parts.
 
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