Bailouts...who's next....

Twistyman

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I was just watching Mort Zuckerman on CNN talking about the Madof scandal... His personal charity lost 30 million..... a sports team lost millions, puts a prominent US university lost 100 million... So when will the true scope of Wall street greed be realized.. How many universities,
pension plans. charities are yet to find that they've been cleaned out .
At this rate the cheapest way might have been to "bail out" the US citizen, by giving them $500,000 each... At the rate that all the corruption is starting to show itself the true losses are yet to be seen..
What makes this more of an insult to injury is the fact that the securities commission just looked at Madofs operations and saw nothing wrong......... Government working for you....
 

ViRedd

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Were going to need the 500 grand because a steak is going to cost $400 and if you want bread with that, its going to cost $25 a loaf.

I heard one economic talk show host on the radio saying that inflation will be around 20% within the next couple of years of these funny money bailouts don't stop.

Vi
 

earlymorninstonepeomp

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What gets me is that no one seems to really pay any kind of penalty. Monetary or otherwise. On the other hand.....should they found my little hobby I'd be screwed 6 ways from sunday. Just look at the world we live in and then tell me with a straight face theres something wrong with me growing a little weed in the basement. Gonna be a cold day in hell when I run my life the way these idiots say i'm supposed to. Only good thing is people are finally seeing the "system" for what it is. "A Hard Rain is Gonna Fall".....lol.
 

Twistyman

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What gets me is that no one seems to really pay any kind of penalty. Monetary or otherwise. On the other hand.....should they found my little hobby I'd be screwed 6 ways from sunday. Just look at the world we live in and then tell me with a straight face theres something wrong with me growing a little weed in the basement. Gonna be a cold day in hell when I run my life the way these idiots say i'm supposed to. Only good thing is people are finally seeing the "system" for what it is. "A Hard Rain is Gonna Fall".....lol.
Thats the slap in the face..Like Conrad Black..He's a Madof sort that owns/owned most new papers in Canada..after being tried in the US he gets 6 years for scamming millions...yet in some places in the US a pipe and a gram will get you more... if there's a penalty its minimum and they get out and they're rich.. mean while the working stiff finds out that his pension is gone...I'd bet they'd be willing to do 6 years to have multiple millions upon release..
 

cackpircings

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Yeah, I guess Obama was being prophetic when he declared, "It'll get worse before it gets better".

Dude he is going to get into office just like all the other puppets do and be controlled by the real powers that be. All the rich fucks that want to make sure we stay dumb and continue to be the worker ants of the world so the queen ants can keep their pockets fat.:joint:
 

Twistyman

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Dude he is going to get into office just like all the other puppets do and be controlled by the real powers that be. All the rich fucks that want to make sure we stay dumb and continue to be the worker ants of the world so the queen ants can keep their pockets fat.:joint:
Maybe the housing crash and Madof scandal are the straws that breaks it all wide open... although when I saw the lobbyists lining up to greet the new incoming members I felt a pang of "here we go again".. Corruption will never be stopped, but in some markets it MUST at least be hunted down.. when housing markets collapse thats
beyond acceptable....
 

earlymorninstonepeomp

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I suspect that he's smelt the stink, and I'm thinking/hoping that he'll make changes for the better....
We gotta "hope" he change things up a bit. It can't possibly continue as "business as usual" can it ???? LOL......If it does it will ultimately be our fault. Thing is the dumbed down nature of this culture scares me. Seems like people are waking up buuuuuut..........
 

misshestermoffitt

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I need to know what address to send my bailout request to. I figure, 100 grand would pretty much set me up nicely, I'm a way less expensive bailout than any of these other pukes are and I know how to make a dollar stretch.
 

captain chronizzle

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i need to know what address to send my bailout request to. I figure, 100 grand would pretty much set me up nicely, i'm a way less expensive bailout than any of these other pukes are and i know how to make a dollar stretch.
i really appreciate a fellow smokers ability to be frugal in the event of trouble or crisis(like being low on smoke or whatever) amen, bravo, kudo to all that have sounded out on this forum. In these very frank times, people need the freedom to smoke marijuana. For gods sake we enjoy it! At some point i hope our gubment, will get a clue and change the lives of soooooooooooo many, just by doing sumthing so incredibly simple as changing a law. Its done all the time. Come on america, lets lead a world revolution, and get back to what we do best, being number fuckin 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also put me down for 50 grand, i can make change stretch!
 

misshestermoffitt

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I deserve to smoke pot, I pay my taxes and then DC hands them over to people who piss away more money in one day than I earn in a year. I paid for the right to smoke, therefore I will smoke.
 

Stoney McFried

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I don't want to hijack the thread, but look at this crap......
Where'd the bailout money go? Shhhh, it's a secret


By MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writer Matt Apuzzo, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 3 mins ago
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AP – Elizabeth Warren, who chairs an oversight committee set up by Congress to oversee the bailout, is interviewed …

WASHINGTON – It's something any bank would demand to know before handing out a loan: Where's the money going?
But after receiving billions in aid from U.S. taxpayers, the nation's largest banks say they can't track exactly how they're spending the money or they simply refuse to discuss it.
"We've lent some of it. We've not lent some of it. We've not given any accounting of, 'Here's how we're doing it,'" said Thomas Kelly, a spokesman for JPMorgan Chase, which received $25 billion in emergency bailout money. "We have not disclosed that to the public. We're declining to."
The Associated Press contacted 21 banks that received at least $1 billion in government money and asked four questions: How much has been spent? What was it spent on? How much is being held in savings, and what's the plan for the rest?
None of the banks provided specific answers.
"We're not providing dollar-in, dollar-out tracking," said Barry Koling, a spokesman for Atlanta, Ga.-based SunTrust Banks Inc., which got $3.5 billion in taxpayer dollars.
Some banks said they simply didn't know where the money was going.
"We manage our capital in its aggregate," said Regions Financial Corp. spokesman Tim Deighton, who said the Birmingham, Ala.-based company is not tracking how it is spending the $3.5 billion it received as part of the financial bailout.
The answers highlight the secrecy surrounding the Troubled Assets Relief Program, which earmarked $700 billion — about the size of the Netherlands' economy — to help rescue the financial industry. The Treasury Department has been using the money to buy stock in U.S. banks, hoping that the sudden inflow of cash will get banks to start lending money.
There has been no accounting of how banks spend that money. Lawmakers summoned bank executives to Capitol Hill last month and implored them to lend the money — not to hoard it or spend it on corporate bonuses, junkets or to buy other banks. But there is no process in place to make sure that's happening and there are no consequences for banks who don't comply.
"It is entirely appropriate for the American people to know how their taxpayer dollars are being spent in private industry," said Elizabeth Warren, the top congressional watchdog overseeing the financial bailout.
But, at least for now, there's no way for taxpayers to find that out.
Pressured by the Bush administration to approve the money quickly, Congress attached nearly no strings on the $700 billion bailout in October. And the Treasury Department, which doles out the money, never asked banks how it would be spent.
"Those are legitimate questions that should have been asked on Day One," said Rep. Scott Garrett, R-N.J., a House Financial Services Committee member who opposed the bailout as it was rushed through Congress. "Where is the money going to go to? How is it going to be spent? When are we going to get a record on it?"
Nearly every bank AP questioned — including Citibank and Bank of America, two of the largest recipients of bailout money — responded with generic public relations statements explaining that the money was being used to strengthen balance sheets and continue making loans to ease the credit crisis.
A few banks described company-specific programs, such as JPMorgan Chase's plan to lend $5 billion to nonprofit and health care companies next year. Richard Becker, senior vice president of Wisconsin-based Marshall & Ilsley Corp., said the $1.75 billion in bailout money allowed the bank to temporarily stop foreclosing on homes.
But no bank provided even the most basic accounting for the federal money.
"We're choosing not to disclose that," said Kevin Heine, spokesman for Bank of New York Mellon, which received about $3 billion.
Others said the money couldn't be tracked. Bob Denham, a spokesman for North Carolina-based BB&T Corp., said the bailout money "doesn't have its own bucket." But he said taxpayer money wasn't used in the bank's recent purchase of a Florida insurance company. Asked how he could be sure, since the money wasn't being tracked, Denham said the bank would have made that deal regardless.
Others, such as Morgan Stanley spokeswoman Carissa Ramirez, offered to discuss the matter with reporters on condition of anonymity. When AP refused, Ramirez sent an e-mail saying: "We are going to decline to comment on your story."
Most banks wouldn't say why they were keeping the details secret.
"We're not sharing any other details. We're just not at this time," said Wendy Walker, a spokeswoman for Dallas-based Comerica Inc., which received $2.25 billion from the government.
Heine, the New York Mellon Corp. spokesman who said he wouldn't share spending specifics, added: "I just would prefer if you wouldn't say that we're not going to discuss those details."
The banks which came closest to answering the questions were those, such as U.S. Bancorp and Huntington Bancshares Inc., that only recently received the money and have yet to spend it. But neither provided anything more than a generic summary of how the money would be spent.
Lawmakers say they want to tighten restrictions on the remaining, yet-to-be-released $350 billion block of bailout money before more cash is handed out. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said the department is trying to step up its monitoring of bank spending.
"What we've been doing here is moving, I think, with lightning speed to put necessary programs in place, to develop them, implement them, and then we need to monitor them while we're doing this," Paulson said at a recent forum in New York. "So we're building this organization as we're going."
Warren, the congressional watchdog appointed by Democrats, said her oversight panel will try to force the banks to say where they've spent the money.
"It would take a lot of nerve not to give answers," she said.
But Warren said she's surprised she even has to ask.
"If the appropriate restrictions were put on the money to begin with, if the appropriate transparency was in place, then we wouldn't be in a position where you're trying to call every recipient and get the basic information that should already be in public documents," she said.
Garrett, the New Jersey congressman, said the nation might never get a clear answer on where hundreds of billions of dollars went.
"A year or two ago, when we talked about spending $100 million for a bridge to nowhere, that was considered a scandal," he said.
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Associated Press writers Stevenson Jacobs in New York and Christopher S. Rugaber and Daniel Wagner in Washington contributed to this report.
 

Stoney McFried

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AP study finds $1.6B went to bailed-out bank execs

By FRANK BASS and RITA BEAMISH, Associated Press Writers Frank Bass And Rita Beamish, Associated Press Writers – Sun Dec 21, 6:33 pm ET
AP – In this Sept. 15, 2008 file photo, Merrill Lynch Chairman and CEO John Thain speaks during a news conference …

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Banks that are getting taxpayer bailouts awarded their top executives nearly $1.6 billion in salaries, bonuses, and other benefits last year, an Associated Press analysis reveals.
The rewards came even at banks where poor results last year foretold the economic crisis that sent them to Washington for a government rescue. Some trimmed their executive compensation due to lagging bank performance, but still forked over multimillion-dollar executive pay packages.
Benefits included cash bonuses, stock options, personal use of company jets and chauffeurs, home security, country club memberships and professional money management, the AP review of federal securities documents found.
The total amount given to nearly 600 executives would cover bailout costs for many of the 116 banks that have so far accepted tax dollars to boost their bottom lines.
Rep. Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services committee and a long-standing critic of executive largesse, said the bonuses tallied by the AP review amount to a bribe "to get them to do the jobs for which they are well paid in the first place.
"Most of us sign on to do jobs and we do them best we can," said Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat. "We're told that some of the most highly paid people in executive positions are different. They need extra money to be motivated!"
The AP compiled total compensation based on annual reports that the banks file with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The 116 banks have so far received $188 billion in taxpayer help. Among the findings:
_The average paid to each of the banks' top executives was $2.6 million in salary, bonuses and benefits.
_Lloyd Blankfein, president and chief executive officer of Goldman Sachs, took home nearly $54 million in compensation last year. The company's top five executives received a total of $242 million.
This year, Goldman will forgo cash and stock bonuses for its seven top-paid executives. They will work for their base salaries of $600,000, the company said. Facing increasing concern by its own shareholders on executive payments, the company described its pay plan last spring as essential to retain and motivate executives "whose efforts and judgments are vital to our continued success, by setting their compensation at appropriate and competitive levels." Goldman spokesman Ed Canaday declined to comment beyond that written report.
The New York-based company on Dec. 16 reported its first quarterly loss since it went public in 1999. It received $10 billion in taxpayer money on Oct. 28.
_Even where banks cut back on pay, some executives were left with seven- or eight-figure compensation that most people can only dream about. Richard D. Fairbank, the chairman of Capital One Financial Corp., took a $1 million hit in compensation after his company had a disappointing year, but still got $17 million in stock options. The McLean, Va.-based company received $3.56 billion in bailout money on Nov. 14.
_John A. Thain, chief executive officer of Merrill Lynch, topped all corporate bank bosses with $83 million in earnings last year. Thain, a former chief operating officer for Goldman Sachs, took the reins of the company in December 2007, avoiding the blame for a year in which Merrill lost $7.8 billion. Since he began work late in the year, he earned $57,692 in salary, a $15 million signing bonus and an additional $68 million in stock options.
Like Goldman, Merrill got $10 billion from taxpayers on Oct. 28.
The AP review comes amid sharp questions about the banks' commitment to the goals of the Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP), a law designed to buy bad mortgages and other troubled assets. Last month, the Bush administration changed the program's goals, instructing the Treasury Department to pump tax dollars directly into banks in a bid to prevent wholesale economic collapse.
The program set restrictions on some executive compensation for participating banks, but did not limit salaries and bonuses unless they had the effect of encouraging excessive risk to the institution. Banks were barred from giving golden parachutes to departing executives and deducting some executive pay for tax purposes.
Banks that got bailout funds also paid out millions for home security systems, private chauffeured cars, and club dues. Some banks even paid for financial advisers. Wells Fargo of San Francisco, which took $25 billion in taxpayer bailout money, gave its top executives up to $20,000 each to pay personal financial planners.
At Bank of New York Mellon Corp., chief executive Robert P. Kelly's stipend for financial planning services came to $66,748, on top of his $975,000 salary and $7.5 million bonus. His car and driver cost $178,879. Kelly also received $846,000 in relocation expenses, including help selling his home in Pittsburgh and purchasing one in Manhattan, the company said.
Goldman Sachs' tab for leased cars and drivers ran as high as $233,000 per executive. The firm told its shareholders this year that financial counseling and chauffeurs are important in giving executives more time to focus on their jobs.
JPMorgan Chase chairman James Dimon ran up a $211,182 private jet travel tab last year when his family lived in Chicago and he was commuting to New York. The company got $25 billion in bailout funds.
Banks cite security to justify personal use of company aircraft for some executives. But Rep. Brad Sherman, D-Calif., questioned that rationale, saying executives visit many locations more vulnerable than the nation's security-conscious commercial air terminals.
Sherman, a member of the House Financial Services Committee, said pay excesses undermine development of good bank economic policies and promote an escalating pay spiral among competing financial institutions — something particularly hard to take when banks then ask for rescue money.
He wants them to come before Congress, like the automakers did, and spell out their spending plans for bailout funds.
"The tougher we are on the executives that come to Washington, the fewer will come for a bailout," he said.
 

misshestermoffitt

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The banks saying that they don't track each dollar is bullshit. My mom worked at a bank for years. If they were 1 penny off they had to go through everything over and over until they found that penny.

If employees have to keep track down to the last cent, then I'm sure exec's have that abilitly too.

I knew the bailout dollars were going to be pocketed, white collar crime deserves the death penalty if you ask me..........
 

TheBrutalTruth

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The banks saying that they don't track each dollar is bullshit. My mom worked at a bank for years. If they were 1 penny off they had to go through everything over and over until they found that penny.

If employees have to keep track down to the last cent, then I'm sure exec's have that abilitly too.

I knew the bailout dollars were going to be pocketed, white collar crime deserves the death penalty if you ask me..........
Actually in the case of the entire company one cent, even one hundred, or one hundred thousand is immaterial and thus they do not have to count on exactly where it goes.

Accounting Rules, and they are going to follow those rules to the T, of course the accounting rules have holes that you can drive a bus through, and this talk about switching from GAAP to whatever the international standard is is just going to make it that much worse. Holes that you can drive semis through.
 

misshestermoffitt

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The point is, they got their bailout and already can't account for where it went. Things that make you go hmmmm, anyone checked Bank Swiss?
 
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