Bob Barr for president

medicineman said:

there are some things that government can do better than private industry....
We must take the profit out of medical, they are not compatible. Charging someone to be sick doesn't make any sense at all, except to those making profit from it.

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does charging someone for food when they are hungry make sense? how about charging someone for shoes when they are barefoot, charging them for shelter when they are homeless or charging them for entertainment when they are bored? are these all things that the government should provide, that we should all chip in for, for anyone who feels the desire to ask for it?

for the record, there is nothing that government can do that the private sector cannot do better, except perhaps waste money. just look to caltrans if you need an example.

undertheice said:

for the record, there is nothing that government can do that the private sector cannot do better, except perhaps waste money. just look to caltrans if you need an example.

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I tentatively agree.

I believe the "Federal" gov't should be put on a HUGE diet, and more of the power should be endowed to the states. That way, if we don't agree with how a state is running its people, than we can opt to move wherever we want, within our OWN country. The federal gov't should NOT tell the whole USA that Marijuana is illegal and shouldn't be used, even for medicinal purposes!

We must take the profit out of medical, they are not compatable. Charging someone to be sick doesn't make any sense at all, except to those making profit from it.

I believe the free market should dictate the prices of medical operations. The more competition, the lower the prices of medical. (So, maybe there should be more competition)

I also believe that there should be a reasonable profit being made to the investors of the business. After all, it was their gamble. But the competitive free market would soon drop the prices down to more than fair amounts, with enough competition. Just my 2 cents

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

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medicineman said:

Look, I don't advocate government control over everything. That would be totalarianism, I wouldn't like that. So what's so wrong with socialized medicine. First it would take the burden off of business to provide Medical coverage. The Medical insurance companies are bankrupting GM, Ford, And Chrysler. If everyone paid a tax toward government medical, I'm pretty sure a good model could be worked out. Lets take this one cure at a time and make this a real government of, by, and for the people. I'm not as stupid as you think, I realize most of you that rave against my posts have a vested interest in some private entity.

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I'll go on record here Med and say that I don't think you're stupid at all. Quite the contrary as a matter of fact. I DO think you are deluded in your political views though.

I have no vested interest in anything other than promoting freedom and liberty. I want the federal government out of my personal, private and financial affairs. Your political mindset, and all that it leads to, is the polar opposite of that. That's about it.

Vi

I also believe that there should be a reasonable profit being made to the investors of the business. After all, it was their gamble. But the competitive free market would soon drop the prices down to more than fair amounts, with enough competition. Just my 2 cents


Well,, they've had way more than enough time to lower prices and find a way to make sure all have medical. Guess what, prices are beating inflation in double digits and there are still 40-60 million uninsured victims in country. Yeah, the private industry has done a bang up job, if you are rich. If you are too ignorant to see the plight of private medical,, I'll let you bask in your non-caring ignorance, notice I didn't call you stupid, that would entail you actually knowing the facts and arguing against them.

medicineman said:

I also believe that there should be a reasonable profit being made to the investors of the business. After all, it was their gamble. But the competitive free market would soon drop the prices down to more than fair amounts, with enough competition. Just my 2 cents


Well,, they've had way more than enough time to lower prices and find a way to make sure all have medical. Guess what, prices are beating inflation in double digits and there are still 40-60 million uninsured victims in country. Yeah, the private industry has done a bang up job, if you are rich. If you are too ignorant to see the plight of private medical,, I'll let you bask in your non-caring ignorance, notice I didn't call you stupid, that would entail you actually knowing the facts and arguing against them.

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You did point out that he was ignorant twice.

medicineman said:

Well,, they've had way more than enough time to lower prices and find a way to make sure all have medical.

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There is no RIGHT to free health care. It simply does not exist.

I agree that everyone should have it, but disagree that it should be an entitlement. I should not be expected to provide it to those who choose not to get it because they want a widescreen T.V. instead.

The following is about the cost of Medicare only, not Universal Health Care. How much more will that cost than what we pay now for Medicare/Medicaid/VA?

We are going to have to pay for it, and there is no question that raising taxes is certainly one way,” (Senator Jay) Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) said. “There is no way, if we continue on the current path, that we can pay for these services – and to prove that, they (Medicare services) are falling off rapidly on all fronts

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CNSNews.com - Tax Hikes Could Pay for $36 Trillion in Medicare Costs, Dems Say

I do agree there should be a modest and comprehensive health safety net for those who have no choice, this generosity does not extend to illegal aliens. As criminal invaders, they are entitled to NOTHING but a one-way ticket home.

I say learn how to take care of yourself & heal yourself without the medical bullshit. It can be done in my opinion. The doctors out there are makin' a load off of dumb shit.

I feel as though people are takin' this lifestyle America has for granted. What would happen if all of sudden there were no hospitals,no grocery stores, no running faucets, & no power plants? Would everyone just say fuck it & give up? I admit many things we have are great, but we also have a whole lot of unecessary shit as well. How many people are adults, but couldn't perform these essential tasks to sustain life?

medicineman said:

Well,, they've had way more than enough time to lower prices and find a way to make sure all have medical. Guess what, prices are beating inflation in double digits and there are still 40-60 million uninsured victims in country. Yeah, the private industry has done a bang up job, if you are rich. If you are too ignorant to see the plight of private medical,, I'll let you bask in your non-caring ignorance, notice I didn't call you stupid, that would entail you actually knowing the facts and arguing against them.

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I'll gladly give you that. I'm not very versed on the healthcare issues. I just figure that with more private competition, the less the services will cost because people don't want to pay exorbitant prices for a service and will go with whomever gives the 'best deal'.

Thanks for being polite in your rebuttal, you know I would do the same for you. As I said, it was "just my 2 cents".

RON PAUL REOVLUTION

~PEACE~

The Federal Government has been fucking up health care quite nicely for quite some time now.

Health Maintenance Organization Act of 1973 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

medicineman said:

Well,, they've had way more than enough time to lower prices and find a way to make sure all have medical. Guess what, prices are beating inflation in double digits and there are still 40-60 million uninsured victims in country. Yeah, the private industry has done a bang up job, if you are rich. If you are too ignorant to see the plight of private medical,, I'll let you bask in your non-caring ignorance, notice I didn't call you stupid, that would entail you actually knowing the facts and arguing against them.

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Also, the prices of medical cost would undoubtedly drop if people worked out and took care of their bodies. So if people went for a walk in the park instead of watching TV, than they would burn that many more calories and do their body that much good.

Keeping your body healthy is essential to being humbly happy. (and it would surely drop the cost of medial expenses... Right? Just my guess anyways )

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~