DIY-HP-LED
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Here is a test to see if yer a Canadian Canuck, XNY556 A for Apple calling XNY556 B for Bob, if you are of a certain age group you should know.
BTW Roger Stone...
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DIY-HP-LED
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CunningCanuk
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Good one comrade
DIY-HP-LED
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Я знал, что тебе понравится.Good one comrade
Секретный код, который знают только канадцы!
CunningCanuk
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Anyway comrade DIY. I’m outta here for the night. I have an early morning zoom meeting with Moscow.
DIY-HP-LED
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Mueller has had many "apprentices" over the years and they will do Donald.
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www.theguardian.com
Robert Mueller breaks his silence and condemns Trump for commuting Roger Stone's sentence
US special counsel defends his investigation into allegations of corruption during 2016 election
The former special counsel Robert Mueller made a rare move on Saturday to publicly defend his two-year investigation into allegations of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia in the 2016 election – and to castigate US president Donald Trump’s decision to commute Roger Stone’s prison sentence.
Mueller wrote an opinion article for the Washington Post published under the headline “Trump’s commutation of Roger Stone’s sentence is an unforgivable betrayal of his office”.
“The work of the special counsel’s office – its report, indictments, guilty pleas and convictions – should speak for itself,” he wrote.
“But I feel compelled to respond both to broad claims that our investigation was illegitimate and our motives were improper, and to specific claims that Roger Stone was a victim of our office ...
“Stone was prosecuted and convicted because he committed federal crimes. He remains a convicted felon, and rightly so.”
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Robert Mueller breaks his silence and condemns Trump for commuting Roger Stone's sentence
US special counsel defends his investigation into allegations of corruption during 2016 election
www.theguardian.com
Robert Mueller breaks his silence and condemns Trump for commuting Roger Stone's sentence
US special counsel defends his investigation into allegations of corruption during 2016 election
The former special counsel Robert Mueller made a rare move on Saturday to publicly defend his two-year investigation into allegations of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia in the 2016 election – and to castigate US president Donald Trump’s decision to commute Roger Stone’s prison sentence.
Mueller wrote an opinion article for the Washington Post published under the headline “Trump’s commutation of Roger Stone’s sentence is an unforgivable betrayal of his office”.
“The work of the special counsel’s office – its report, indictments, guilty pleas and convictions – should speak for itself,” he wrote.
“But I feel compelled to respond both to broad claims that our investigation was illegitimate and our motives were improper, and to specific claims that Roger Stone was a victim of our office ...
“Stone was prosecuted and convicted because he committed federal crimes. He remains a convicted felon, and rightly so.”
more...
hanimmal
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Yeah deflect and make fun of the the very real issue that is the Russian military trolling our citizens.
I never really had a issue with much of what you said and do on here, but the problem I am now having is that you are really ignorant of what this attack is doing to our society as a whole. And that is why you are getting sucked into the whole 'it's not a big deal' about this Russian attack.
I get that real Canadians can hate America as much as anyone else, which is why I assume you are what you say. But, I also get that Canada is a major nation with people living in it from around the world that may also hate America, same as here in America.
I just don't think it is unreasonable to expect people to be suspicious when someone makes light of this attack on our nation being conducted by the Russians/Saudi's/Chinese Cultists/Domestic/etc militarized trolls to get Trump re-elected. Or even people from allied nations that are getting paid to be dicks by these groups online or through a 3rd party.
CunningCanuk
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Because I’m critical of your government I hate America? Where have I heard that argument before? Interesting and quite frankly surprising coming from you.
I don’t hate America. I’ve lived there myself and have friends and family living there now.
I also have family members serving in the military so I have my reasons to be concerned and to share my thoughts.
I will admit I appear casual and glib with my criticism and for that I apologize. Like I said before I’m an asshole but I bet I can find a hundred “likes” from you on comments I’ve made. On most things we agree so what is it that causes you to question my motives now? Do you resent my criticisms on the merits of my argument or do you resent the fact they’re coming from a Canadian?
I don’t deny election meddling and misinformation exists and that it’s a bad thing. I just think it’s futile to chase after internet trolls when Trumps Twitter account is delivering misinformation to 75 million people daily. FOX news is peddling it 24 / 7. This is how people are being indoctrinated.
You and fogdog are clearly smart people. Your country would be far better served if you both ran for office or got more involved in some other way other than chasing down internet trolls on a pot growing site.
If you did run for office I would make a donation to both of your campaigns. It’s a better fit for you guys because if you honestly believe I’m a Russian troll, you’re not very good at troll recognition.
hanimmal
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You read saying that about you where? I am stating facts about this attack that you were throwing smoke once again for.
Good, I choose to believe you. I don't believe we are necessarily on opposite sides.
I accept your sincerity. I don't have much of an issue with you man (especially have no issues with Canada because I really don't distinguish between our nations much). I just really am not going to show my belly on the whole thing you apologized for doing, because it is important that people really understand the severity of a threat the Russian militaries online trolling has become.
We as a species were not ready for this kind of attack and are all susceptible to it.
It has to start somewhere. I only can do so much. The more people become aware of it the quicker we can get to herd immunity on combating disinformation across every platform.
The fund raising and hand shaking portion of running for office is not something that I am willing to do. The war that is taking place in our society is being waged online.
I don't think I ever called you a Russian troll. And if you are you are a very good one because you are indistinguishable from anyone I have met in real life. I just think it would be worth you reflecting on the criticism that are being mentioned, and to understand them in the context of what you clearly see happening here often enough too.
And as far as running for office unfortunantly my family (as much as I love them all) would get attacked hard by the press/opponents if they dug into them so I put that out of my mind back in High school.
CunningCanuk
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Thanks for responding.
I respect where you’re coming from and regret that my cavalier criticisms are sometimes offensive to you. I can’t guarantee I won’t offend you again because I probably will, but I’m comfortable with you calling me out on it when it happens.
Cheers.
DIY-HP-LED
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Churchill one said, the only thing worse than having allies, is not having them! Canadians are good friends to have, we care, and as Canuck said, the ties of family and friendship cross the national border, we are here because we have a stake in the outcome, it's our survival too. Canuck probably feels the same way as I do too, Russian trolls don't advocate fucking mother Russia till she shits out Vlad.
hanimmal
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/11/mueller-stone-oped/?arc404=true
Robert S. Mueller III served as special counsel for the Justice Department from 2017 to 2019.
The work of the special counsel’s office — its report, indictments, guilty pleas and convictions — should speak for itself. But I feel compelled to respond both to broad claims that our investigation was illegitimate and our motives were improper, and to specific claims that Roger Stone was a victim of our office. The Russia investigation was of paramount importance. Stone was prosecuted and convicted because he committed federal crimes. He remains a convicted felon, and rightly so.
Russia’s actions were a threat to America’s democracy. It was critical that they be investigated and understood. By late 2016, the FBI had evidence that the Russians had signaled to a Trump campaign adviser that they could assist the campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to the Democratic candidate. And the FBI knew that the Russians had done just that: Beginning in July 2016, WikiLeaks released emails stolen by Russian military intelligence officers from the Clinton campaign. Other online personas using false names — fronts for Russian military intelligence — also released Clinton campaign emails.
Following FBI Director James B. Comey’s termination in May 2017, the acting attorney general named me as special counsel and directed the special counsel’s office to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. The order specified lines of investigation for us to pursue, including any links or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump campaign. One of our cases involved Stone, an official on the campaign until mid-2015 and a supporter of the campaign throughout 2016. Stone became a central figure in our investigation for two key reasons: He communicated in 2016 with individuals known to us to be Russian intelligence officers, and he claimed advance knowledge of WikiLeaks’ release of emails stolen by those Russian intelligence officers.
We now have a detailed picture of Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election. The special counsel’s office identified two principal operations directed at our election: hacking and dumping Clinton campaign emails, and an online social media campaign to disparage the Democratic candidate. We also identified numerous links between the Russian government and Trump campaign personnel — Stone among them. We did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired with the Russian government in its activities. The investigation did, however, establish that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome. It also established that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.
Uncovering and tracing Russian outreach and interference activities was a complex task. The investigation to understand these activities took two years and substantial effort. Based on our work, eight individuals pleaded guilty or were convicted at trial, and more than two dozen Russian individuals and entities, including senior Russian intelligence officers, were charged with federal crimes.
Congress also investigated and sought information from Stone. A jury later determined he lied repeatedly to members of Congress. He lied about the identity of his intermediary to WikiLeaks. He lied about the existence of written communications with his intermediary. He lied by denying he had communicated with the Trump campaign about the timing of WikiLeaks’ releases. He in fact updated senior campaign officials repeatedly about WikiLeaks. And he tampered with a witness, imploring him to stonewall Congress.
The jury ultimately convicted Stone of obstruction of a congressional investigation, five counts of making false statements to Congress and tampering with a witness. Because his sentence has been commuted, he will not go to prison. But his conviction stands.
Russian efforts to interfere in our political system, and the essential question of whether those efforts involved the Trump campaign, required investigation. In that investigation, it was critical for us (and, before us, the FBI) to obtain full and accurate information. Likewise, it was critical for Congress to obtain accurate information from its witnesses. When a subject lies to investigators, it strikes at the core of the government’s efforts to find the truth and hold wrongdoers accountable. It may ultimately impede those efforts.
We made every decision in Stone’s case, as in all our cases, based solely on the facts and the law and in accordance with the rule of law. The women and men who conducted these investigations and prosecutions acted with the highest integrity. Claims to the contrary are false.
Robert S. Mueller III served as special counsel for the Justice Department from 2017 to 2019.
The work of the special counsel’s office — its report, indictments, guilty pleas and convictions — should speak for itself. But I feel compelled to respond both to broad claims that our investigation was illegitimate and our motives were improper, and to specific claims that Roger Stone was a victim of our office. The Russia investigation was of paramount importance. Stone was prosecuted and convicted because he committed federal crimes. He remains a convicted felon, and rightly so.
Russia’s actions were a threat to America’s democracy. It was critical that they be investigated and understood. By late 2016, the FBI had evidence that the Russians had signaled to a Trump campaign adviser that they could assist the campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to the Democratic candidate. And the FBI knew that the Russians had done just that: Beginning in July 2016, WikiLeaks released emails stolen by Russian military intelligence officers from the Clinton campaign. Other online personas using false names — fronts for Russian military intelligence — also released Clinton campaign emails.
Following FBI Director James B. Comey’s termination in May 2017, the acting attorney general named me as special counsel and directed the special counsel’s office to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. The order specified lines of investigation for us to pursue, including any links or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump campaign. One of our cases involved Stone, an official on the campaign until mid-2015 and a supporter of the campaign throughout 2016. Stone became a central figure in our investigation for two key reasons: He communicated in 2016 with individuals known to us to be Russian intelligence officers, and he claimed advance knowledge of WikiLeaks’ release of emails stolen by those Russian intelligence officers.
We now have a detailed picture of Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election. The special counsel’s office identified two principal operations directed at our election: hacking and dumping Clinton campaign emails, and an online social media campaign to disparage the Democratic candidate. We also identified numerous links between the Russian government and Trump campaign personnel — Stone among them. We did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired with the Russian government in its activities. The investigation did, however, establish that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome. It also established that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.
Uncovering and tracing Russian outreach and interference activities was a complex task. The investigation to understand these activities took two years and substantial effort. Based on our work, eight individuals pleaded guilty or were convicted at trial, and more than two dozen Russian individuals and entities, including senior Russian intelligence officers, were charged with federal crimes.
Congress also investigated and sought information from Stone. A jury later determined he lied repeatedly to members of Congress. He lied about the identity of his intermediary to WikiLeaks. He lied about the existence of written communications with his intermediary. He lied by denying he had communicated with the Trump campaign about the timing of WikiLeaks’ releases. He in fact updated senior campaign officials repeatedly about WikiLeaks. And he tampered with a witness, imploring him to stonewall Congress.
The jury ultimately convicted Stone of obstruction of a congressional investigation, five counts of making false statements to Congress and tampering with a witness. Because his sentence has been commuted, he will not go to prison. But his conviction stands.
Russian efforts to interfere in our political system, and the essential question of whether those efforts involved the Trump campaign, required investigation. In that investigation, it was critical for us (and, before us, the FBI) to obtain full and accurate information. Likewise, it was critical for Congress to obtain accurate information from its witnesses. When a subject lies to investigators, it strikes at the core of the government’s efforts to find the truth and hold wrongdoers accountable. It may ultimately impede those efforts.
We made every decision in Stone’s case, as in all our cases, based solely on the facts and the law and in accordance with the rule of law. The women and men who conducted these investigations and prosecutions acted with the highest integrity. Claims to the contrary are false.
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