Can you be an animal lover and still eat meat..

speak of defending ignorance...your a grower right...you know that plant is a living organism and so is your lettuce...so every thing you eat weather it be lettuce or beef must die in order for you to eat it...why is it worse to kill, a marijuana plant, or some lettuce versus a cow.

my only problem with veggie heads is that they are always preaching to me about karma and all that shit...but a basic understanding of human physology and you will understand that our teeth and digestive system is basically meant to eat everything.

our teeth are meant to grab, rip, tear, crunch...you name it

So I say to you...by beaing vegetarian you are defying mother nature's laws and you are removing youself from your natural place in this world... and removing a species from the food chain because of Karma(vegetarians) is just as bad as killing them.

This is my main problem with buddhists, they practice a religion, crreated by a crazy man, who decided we shouldn't eat meat because of Karma, but I am sorry, it is our place in mother nature to eat veggies, and meat.

Not to rant, but im a professional chef and I hear this bullshit all the time, most vegans and vegitarians are malnurished and there reasoning for bieng that way is often very stupid. I have yet to meet a vegetarian that eats that way because of health reasons or because they just really prefer fruits and veggies....meanwile they wearing leather shoes(where do you think the get the leather for your fucking berkinstocks)

awwwwww the poor cute animals, nothing like grown adults talking like four year olds

P.S. why do you think early man was called HUNTER-GATHERER

grobudd said:

speak of defending ignorance...your a grower right...you know that plant is a living organism and so is your lettuce...so every thing you eat weather it be lettuce or beef must die in order for you to eat it...why is it worse to kill, a marijuana plant, or some lettuce versus a cow. I couldn't agree more, and if you really want to know why it is "worse" you must sit and still the mind and use something called awareness.. something beyond words... and then you can see fopr yourself....

my only problem with veggie heads is that they are always preaching to me about karma and all that shit...but a basic understanding of human physology and you will understand that our teeth and digestive system is basically meant to eat everything. This is not a bsiac understaning any more than it is a basic misconception .. or using evidence to defend ignorance... and I think it is nice that you only have ONE problem.. you sound very evolved... maybe you can reduce it to ZERO problems... my legs are ment to jump/..meaning I should jump off buildings... it is so obvious that legs are made to jump from buildings. get my point. using the EVIDENCE to support the argument.. how about just OBSERVATION in stillness...

our teeth are meant to grab, rip, tear, crunch...you name it...

I saw a man on tv eat glass and bite through a chain.. was my tongue ment to lick poon.. hmmmm.. ilove poon... but I don't eat that meat.. i just caress iit... wait.. where was i????

So I say to you...by beaing vegetarian you are defying mother nature's laws and you are removing youself from your natural place in this world... and removing a species from the food chain because of Karma(vegetarians) is just as bad as killing them. ok.... sounds like another though.. built on presuppositions and concepts and theories.. i'm cool with that..

This is my main problem with buddhists, they practice a religion, crreated by a crazy man, who decided we shouldn't eat meat because of Karma, but I am sorry, it is our place in mother nature to eat veggies, and meat.

hmmmmm.... i did not know these facts.. nor do I belive you.. but I don't disbelive you either.. get it... I just don't know? Who invented buddism anyway?

Not to rant, but im a professional chef and I hear this bullshit all the time, most vegans and vegitarians are malnurished and there reasoning for bieng that way is often very stupid. I have yet to meet a vegetarian that eats that way because of health reasons or because they just really prefer fruits and veggies....meanwile they wearing leather shoes(where do you think the get the leather for your fucking berkinstocks)

hmmmmmmm..... did you read what you wrote? it is all here my friend...
yes.... you have now left thought and entered emotion... is this correct? What if you wre to suspend emotion.. suspend thought and stop identifying with being a proffessional chef... what would you have left? ONE canonly know through stillness and silence... it is a scary process.. you have to be a bad motherfucker to make the journey beyond thought.... Thoughts that BUILD false beliefs (redundant) and false Identities (reduntant too)

iloveyou

awwwwww the poor cute animals, nothing like grown adults talking like four year olds

P.S. why do you think early man was called HUNTER-GATHERER

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four year olds... my nephew is three... and I amnot sure if I talk like him..

Early man was called hunter gatherer because thatis a phrase that somebody labeled them as.. am I correct?

iloveyou

TheConstantGardner said:

I'd kill a cow for a steak.

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if you kill the whole cow, can I have a couple steaks too ? ..

well Knowm...just know I respect you, and I dont knock you personal beliefs(its thepeople who preach that get to me) not that I am any better for now I preach.

I have meditated for many years(something I learned from Martial arts, lots of buddhist by the way) stillness and silence...thats what I call sleep. I love it by the way

if you took the chef title away from me, I would still be me. Bieng a chef doent difine who I am, it is something that I do.

the remark about 4 yr. olds is not meant towards you... but to the general population of vegetarians who think eating meat is bad because they think the animals are cute. they have to give me better reasons than that if they are going to preach.

Forgive my ignorance, but i believe buddhism was created by a man named Bhodhirama, im sure the spelling is off but he basically sat under a tree for many years while creating buddhism(or recieving buddhism from where or whoever) im not sayin' its for sure but check out the story and tell me you dont think the guy was crazy...any way im not much for religion...i have my own veiws on sprituality...and I dont haye vegetarians...

but I do hate structured religions and hippocates(im not talking about you in any way)

I find most veggitarians to be hippocrates, and it always seems like they are upset with people who aren't...thats all...also if you search the "human teeth" im sure you'll find scientific reasons for why our teeth are the way they are....and dont tell me we've evolved away from red meat

as far as stillness and silence is concerned...although it has its time and place(mainly for 4 yr. olds...lol) i believe it must be used in conjunction with words and action...peace

P.S. early man was called a Hunter-Gatherer because he Hunted(red meat) and Gathered (water, fruits, veggies etc.) dont be so simple

hunter gatherer, stillness and silence with woards and actions, there is a yin and a yang to everything right?

I also realize you aren't veggitarian either, but yet you talk like a buddhist so....whats the deal...

SWEEET!! you are awesome... I appreciate the dialogue... and I am really stoked with your approach and you being kind!

actually our digestive systems aren't really designed to handle a lot of meat. For the most part it rots in our stomach and we process little more than some of the protein. However, due to modern agriculture we are easily able to make meat a major part of our diet. Same deal with milk. 300 years ago more than half the population of England was lactose intolerant. Early man wasn't able to run across a field and latch onto a bison's tit. Our current diets, and probably health problems, stem from our ability to produce and store foods. We are evolving. Speaking of which, anybody seen the Korn video for "Evolution"? It's on Google Video. Where was I going with this?

hey garden knowm. it is quite clear to me that you do not have any compassion for cannabis. i think what you need to do is clear your mind, scoop out all the bullshit, or spinach, whatevers cloggin that shit. and really think about your poor litle marijuana buddies. they are just sitting there in your house, part of your dwelling, just spending some quality time with you, hoping to spend their lives growing old with you, and then one day you just come along and shop them at the ankles and then you burn them and inhale. just to experience a different consciousness, for what purpose? so you can spend 15 minutes "meditating: and come to the conclusion that nature is a pressupostion. its a fuckin crime against those poor green girls if you ask me.

Garden Knowm said:

sweet... and i an ok with you.... and ... yeah.. i like you... which is a down grade from, I love you.... bwahhhhh bwahhhhh...

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ouch. i'm gonna go kick my cat now.

im eating Buffalo right now, MMMM u dont know what yer missin. HEY the reason why you vegans are white and pasty and unhealthy looking is because you dont eat right. Eat some MJ cookies or cake and that Buffalo taste great!!!! God i love T-Bones!! Rib Eyes. Isnt this supposed to be about m.j. and problems we are having growing them ect? Not about freaks who dont eat meat because its wrong. Well your wiping yer ass with toilet paper that they had to cut a tree down for. Dont be a HIPPIE Crit

Garden Knowm said:

Can you be an animal lover and still eat meat..


NO fook NO.. stop kidding yourself.. IF you eat meat you don't love animals..

JUST accept it.. your a piece of shit striving to be better than the crap on the bottom of my shoe...

and being that you are a two faced scum bag that claims to love animals yet supports the mass genocide and inhumane slaughter of millions of chickens, pigs and cows with your almighty dollar... you have the option to change.... you can actaully wake up and slowly stop suporting this machine that FOOKING up your KARMA... laugh now... but it won't be so funny when your reborn a chicken.. LOL

iloveyou

BTW - i had a bacon cheeseburger today.. that shite was good...

iloveyou

but nothing is better than being honest with yourself..

KILLING is wrong.... no exceptions.. come to grips with this people.. and asking people to kill for YOU or your so called freedoms is just the same as killing yourself.. and everybody that is killed you will EVENTUALLY suffer that pain.. we will all endure that pain.. we are all ONE..

iloveyou

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fdd, do you deliver?

lol

Wigmo said:

hey garden knowm. it is quite clear to me that you do not have any compassion for cannabis. i think what you need to do is clear your mind, scoop out all the bullshit, or spinach, whatevers cloggin that shit. and really think about your poor litle marijuana buddies. they are just sitting there in your house, part of your dwelling, just spending some quality time with you, hoping to spend their lives growing old with you, and then one day you just come along and shop them at the ankles and then you burn them and inhale. just to experience a different consciousness, for what purpose? so you can spend 15 minutes "meditating: and come to the conclusion that nature is a pressupostion. its a fuckin crime against those poor green girls if you ask me.

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thank you for your insite...

did you know that if southerns cut salt and sugar out of their diet they those that accent that makes them sound like southerns..... true shit bro

iloveyou

TheConstantGardner said:

actually our digestive systems aren't really designed to handle a lot of meat. For the most part it rots in our stomach and we process little more than some of the protein. However, due to modern agriculture we are easily able to make meat a major part of our diet. Same deal with milk. 300 years ago more than half the population of England was lactose intolerant. Early man wasn't able to run across a field and latch onto a bison's tit. Our current diets, and probably health problems, stem from our ability to produce and store foods. We are evolving. Speaking of which, anybody seen the Korn video for "Evolution"? It's on Google Video. Where was I going with this?

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whoa.. easy buddy... don't go saying things that may brake the fragile FALSE IDENTIES and TOWERING EGOS of the MASS NURDERING POPULATION... lets not talk about mans previous 10,000 years of almost no meat and no disease and no cancer and no retarded cousins... please... lets not spoon people any knowledge.. lets just get them thinking and defending their position.. sometimes.. you just need to give a man enough chances and then he wakes up...

iloveyou


and DONT anybody come on here and talk about all the disease.. I am not talking about the plague or malaria or whooping cough.. LOL...

or a... parasites

Garden Knowm said:

thank you for your insite...

did you know that if southerns cut salt and sugar out of their diet they those that accent that makes them sound like southerns..... true shit bro

iloveyou

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After re-reading my post.. I must say.. that I am not 100% sure this is true...

Cows chickens sheep or whatever are allowed to live to be our food, if they didn't they would fast become extinct. It's not like the life they had being raised for food was any worse than life in the wild. They get fed, looked after and protected from other animals that would eat them where would the cows be if they weren't looked after. Where would the pigs and sheep be, they're wouldn't be as many allowed to live around the world. So I ask you mr knowm what is more humane to have lived and lived a long life and eaten well or not to have lived at all.

well,,i got 2 budgies I love,,well,,not that way ,,but you know,, but I do fish ,,and have killed and ate what i caught,,and I did kill a shithawk(big ugly bird at McDonalds)when I was a kid,,have had a dog died of age,,loved him,,had an Oscar,,he was cool,,sold to a good home,,when he was the size of a smallmouth bass,,so what was the question again,,(short term memory)<---Beerzaihmers,,LOL

Keep on Growin

HoLE

HoLE said:

but I do fish

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I think you and garden knowm share a passion.

nongreenthumb said:

Cows chickens sheep or whatever are allowed to live to be our food, if they didn't they would fast become extinct. It's not like the life they had being raised for food was any worse than life in the wild. They get fed, looked after and protected from other animals that would eat them where would the cows be if they weren't looked after. Where would the pigs and sheep be, they're wouldn't be as many allowed to live around the world. So I ask you mr knowm what is more humane to have lived and lived a long life and eaten well or not to have lived at all.

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is this true? is everything you said absolutley (and then based your question to MR. KNOWM on) true?

and if what you are saying is true.... I would answer it is better to live and eat than to not live and not eat...

BUT... then again I have always been a life.... birth is the opposite of death.. LIFE just IS.. life has no opposite... that being said, your question is based on a false premis..

I appreciate you trying to help me unravel this puzzle.. but as you can see I have croissed the LIVE or DIE bridge bridge before..

iloveyou


If I asked you what was the kjhcieruhckljcsrkj of jkzdcjlksc minus hjckjsgcuy lkjhgsyc and please divede that my your mom's birth weight.. + the number of stars in the jhgsdfjhvcjs

you'd think I was crazy.... correct?.. cause it makes no sense.. just trickery of words and letters... andthen I could call you dumb for not understanding... when really, it is I that am asking something that makes NO sence..

at least MC ESHER let ONE look at his pictures... to see that they made no sense.. can you imnagine if he defended those staircases as being real..

he would say.. "YOU fuck stick,,,, the stairs are right in front of you.. cant you see they are real".. and one might retort.. "Mr. Escher.. that is just the trickery of drawing.".. and then he'd say.. "fuck you".. and then ONE might realize that ONE is fighting with mc escher rather than trying to find truth.. and what is better to find truth or defend oneself?,... regardless of being right or wrong.. I dont want to win.. I want the truth...

iloveyou

ONe must chosse words very carefully and accept THAT one does not KNOW anything in order to LEARN something that goes beyond the surface..

YOU too my friend are alive.. weather you eat or not...

love

I love certain animals. Not cows chickens or pigs. I find most animals we eat to be boring and only serve the purpose as part of the food chain. I would much rather eat a steak than take a vitamin pill dude and in no way could i interact with a cow like i do with my dog or cat. Are you religious mogie? Each to there own. Peace

bigbudeddie said:

I love certain animals. Not cows chickens or pigs. I find most animals we eat to be boring and only serve the purpose as part of the food chain. I would much rather eat a steak than take a vitamin pill dude and in no way could i interact with a cow like i do with my dog or cat.

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NIce to hear from you and get your thoughts mr. big..

NOw, who would you be without those thoughts.,,, What would you think of cows if you did not have the thought "no way could i interact with a cow like i do with my dog or cat."

Then what would you think of cows?

Who would you be if you did not have thoughts that argued your limitations?

love