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Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Dorian2 said:
Here are a couple of other coincidences you may be aware of while I wear the bad guy hat for you.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/ottawa-spent-less-half-cash-pledge-indigenous-communities-papal-visit-1.6694262

https://lethbridgenewsnow.com/2023/03/23/pope-francis-tour-came-with-a-minimum-55-milliion-price-tag-for-ottawa-2/#:~:text=A family member of residential,the face for Indigenous people.
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Yeah? What does that have to do with you being upset that a sports team finally changed the name that had been offending not only the aboriginal people, but many non aboriginal people, for decades?
Does some people acting like douchebags make it ok for others to act like douchebags? How does the Ottowa government being racist assholes make it ok for anyone else to be racist assholes as well?
What if your favorite hockey team was named "The Tiny Dick White Guys"? Would you get huffy if someone changed that name?
and 55 million is about .o1% of the Canadian budget...i think they can afford both...
 
Dorian2

Dorian2

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
Yeah? What does that have to do with you being upset that a sports team finally changed the name that had been offending not only the aboriginal people, but many non aboriginal people, for decades?
Does some people acting like douchebags make it ok for others to act like douchebags? How does the Ottowa government being racist assholes make it ok for anyone else to be racist assholes as well?
What if your favorite hockey team was named "The Tiny Dick White Guys"? Would you get huffy if someone changed that name?
and 55 million is about .o1% of the Canadian budget...i think they can afford both...
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My point is, is that it's just a small gesture towards reconciliation that doesn't merit as much attention as the real issues still facing the Inuit. I'm glad that the native leadership recognizes it as a step forward. But me not liking that the name of the team was changed, which really doesn't bother me as much as I made it out to be, has nothing to do with any prejudice towards the people that I've worked with and for in the past. To me it's politically correct flag waving that hasn't done a thing to help with any real issues. But I still recognize and accept the importance of the name change for the people affected by the terms use and meaning. Still doesn't merit other members on this site to use derogatory slang towards an opinion though.

I disagree on the 55 million as well. They spent all that money on the Pope but neglected to ensure that the money they pledged for the people to actually go to see him, actually got to the people to see him for the reconciliation "event". Many of those people waited a lifetime to stand face to face on their soil for an apology and never got the chance.
 
CANON_Grow

CANON_Grow

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Dorian2 said:
My point is, is that it's just a small gesture towards reconciliation that doesn't merit as much attention as the real issues still facing the Inuit. I'm glad that the native leadership recognizes it as a step forward. But me not liking that the name of the team was changed, which really doesn't bother me as much as I made it out to be, has nothing to do with any prejudice towards the people that I've worked with and for in the past. To me it's politically correct flag waving that hasn't done a thing to help with any real issues. But I still recognize and accept the importance of the name change for the people affected by the terms use and meaning. Still doesn't merit other members on this site to use derogatory slang towards an opinion though.

I disagree on the 55 million as well. They spent all that money on the Pope but neglected to ensure that the money they pledged for the people to actually go to see him, actually got to the people to see him for the reconciliation "event". Many of those people waited a lifetime to stand face to face on their soil for an apology and never got the chance.
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You were asking for that reaction, don't pretend to be a victim when called out on it.
Dorian2 said:
This oughta raise a hackle or two. :rolleyes:

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CANON_Grow

CANON_Grow

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CANON_Grow said:
Not good, and the concerning part is there doesn't appear to be a quick or easy way to stop this trend, more dangerous for everyone.

From an article in The Globe and Mail in December:

Mark Baxter, president of the Police Association of Ontario, called the recent deaths heartbreaking, saying that in his 18 years of policing he’s “never seen anything like this.”
“It really speaks to some greater societal challenges that we have,” said Baxter, challenges that include access to help for mental health, addiction and homelessness.
“Without proper supports, without people checking on them all of these have cascading effects,” said Baxter. “We’re seeing a rise in violence across the country.”
“We’re seeing a rise in police officers use-of-force incidents with members of the public.”
www.theglobeandmail.com

Latest officer death heartbreaking, but expert says recent police deaths not a trend

Four other police officers have been killed while on duty since the fall, along with one off-duty officer
www.theglobeandmail.com www.theglobeandmail.com
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Again today

Quebec provincial police officer killed during attempted arrest
 
Dorian2

Dorian2

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CANON_Grow said:
You were asking for that reaction, don't get all dramatic when called out on it.
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Because of the tune, or the historic imagery that is offensive to people? I happen to find history, whether it's politically correct or not, both fascinating and important for historical context. I just read a thread on another site where guitar players are dithering over whether or not their band should play Sweet Home Alabama for fear of negative crowd response FFS. Do you want to start burning books if they reflect a negative topic for you too? Reminds me of the early 90's when I worked in a bookstore here. A customer wanted to order American Psycho, but the system wouldn't allow it because it was banned in this country. Along with other interesting books. One of the only books that I agreed with the banning of at the time was the Anarchist's Cookbook, which should be self-explanatory if you know of it.
 
CANON_Grow

CANON_Grow

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Dorian2 said:
Because of the tune, or the historic imagery that is offensive to people? I happen to find history, whether it's politically correct or not, both fascinating and important for historical context. I just read a thread on another site where guitar players are dithering over whether or not their band should play Sweet Home Alabama for fear of negative crowd response FFS. Do you want to start burning books if they reflect a negative topic for you too? Reminds me of the early 90's when I worked in a bookstore here. A customer wanted to order American Psycho, but the system wouldn't allow it because it was banned in this country. Along with other interesting books. One of the only books that I agreed with the banning of at the time was the Anarchist's Cookbook, which should be self-explanatory if you know of it.
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There was never any talk of banning books or ignoring history. The discussion was about the symbolism of that flag (that white supremacists understand and is why they use it), and pretending it doesn't mean that FOR YOU does not change the fact that it does mean that now.
www.aclu.org

It's Time To Tell the Truth About the Confederacy and its Symbols | ACLU

The decision to retire the Mississippi state flag is not erasing history, it is telling the truth about it.
www.aclu.org


You said you were upset about the football teams name being changed, but look at the history of that name and why it was changed:
"The origins of the E-word are unclear. It’s possible that French explorers borrowed the term from the Algonquin ayas̆ kimew, meaning one who laces up snowshoes. It could be adapted from a Cree word that describes eaters of raw meat. Or missionaries might have coined it from the Latin word excommunicati, which refers to non-Christians. Throughout the 20th century, government officials and anthropologists used the word to deride Inuit in the courts, calling them unhygienic, unintelligent, and lazy. The term was and still is, used as a racial slur.

In the 1890s, when Edmonton’s team was known as the Edmonton Rugby Football Club, a Calgary sportswriter used the E-word to mock them because they hailed from a frigid northern city. The team ended up embracing the term, formally renaming themselves in 1910.

Throughout the 20th century, while the Edmonton club was playing football, real Inuit were facing inhumane treatment at the hands of the government. When the Supreme Court first ordered the feds to administer health care to Inuit, officials struggled to spell and pronounce their names. So, in 1940, they introduced an identification system in which Inuit wore numbered leather discs around their necks to access social services."

The feds dropped the dog-tag system in 1971 and replaced it with an equally degrading program, forcing Inuit, who often went by single genderless names, to adopt Christian names. Thanks in part to an error-riddled Life cover story in 1956, Inuit entered the North American imagination as, in the magazine’s words, the world’s last “Stone Age survivors.” In 1980, Indigenous people from across the Arctic formally agreed to call themselves Inuit and, in effect, drop the name that had been foisted upon them.
canadianbusiness.com

The Name of the Game

Behind the $2-million rebranding of the CFL’s Edmonton Elks
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You may think it's just a flag or just a team name, but to many people it represents much more and they are still dealing with the consequences of what they(flag and old team name) represent. I'm going to guess you know all this already and just don't care, you believe it means something different TO YOU. If that's the case, go listen to "Joyner Lucas - I'm Not Racist", because that is exactly how it is coming across.
 
CunningCanuk

CunningCanuk

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Dorian2 said:
My point is, is that it's just a small gesture towards reconciliation that doesn't merit as much attention as the real issues still facing the Inuit. I'm glad that the native leadership recognizes it as a step forward. But me not liking that the name of the team was changed, which really doesn't bother me as much as I made it out to be, has nothing to do with any prejudice towards the people that I've worked with and for in the past. To me it's politically correct flag waving that hasn't done a thing to help with any real issues. But I still recognize and accept the importance of the name change for the people affected by the terms use and meaning. Still doesn't merit other members on this site to use derogatory slang towards an opinion though.
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So you’re not pissed off anymore?

that’s nice.
 
Dorian2

Dorian2

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CANON_Grow said:
You may think it's just a flag or just a team name, but to many people it represents much more and they are still dealing with the consequences of what they(flag and old team name) represent. I'm going to guess you know all this already and just don't care, you believe it means something different TO YOU. If that's the case, go listen to "Joyner Lucas - I'm Not Racist", because that is exactly how it is coming across.
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It absolutely does means something different to me, and race isn't part of that equation.
 
Dorian2

Dorian2

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CunningCanuk said:
So you’re not pissed off anymore?

that’s nice.
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Never was that pissed off about the change. What does irk me is that people attack other posters if they have a different viewpoint on what some symbolism means to them. Make sure that you don't use the OK sign or the Devils horns to anybody that may be offended by the new meanings that the fucknut, rightwing fascists "borrowed" for their own symbology. The Nazi's did the same thing with multiple symbols originally intended for other meanings.

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/764728163/the-ok-hand-gesture-is-now-listed-as-a-symbol-of-hate

As for the Devils horns, I saw on some tv broadcast some members of one of the hate groups using it as one of their "newly found" gestures. It's a fucking culture war with these people and I refuse to bow down to their hijacking of other traditions and cultures.

Here's another fun one that I grew up reading and is a favorite movie series of ours.

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2022/10/the-great-italian-post-fascist-tolkien-takeover
 
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CANON_Grow

CANON_Grow

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Dorian2 said:
Never was that pissed off about the change. What does irk me is that people attack other posters if they have a different viewpoint on what some symbolism means to them. Make sure that you don't use the OK sign or the Devils horns to anybody that may be offended by the new meanings that the fucknut, rightwing fascists "borrowed" for their own symbology. The Nazi's did the same thing with multiple symbols originally intended for other meanings.

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/764728163/the-ok-hand-gesture-is-now-listed-as-a-symbol-of-hate

As for the Devils horns, I saw on some tv broadcast some members of one of the hate groups using it as one of their "newly found" gestures. It's a fucking culture war with these people and I refuse to bow down to their hijacking of other traditions and cultures.
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It doesn't matter what the symbolism means to you, it doesn't matter what it means to me, what matters is a consensus in the general public, and more specifically to the people that have faced/are still facing harm because of it.

Sorry if you took offence to my choice of words, my apologies.
 
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Dorian2

Dorian2

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CANON_Grow said:
It doesn't matter what the symbolism means to you, it doesn't matter what it means to me, what matters is a consensus in the general public, and more specifically to the people that have faced/are still facing harm because of it.

Go look up the meaning of the words I used and see if it accurately describes what is still being said. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, I was getting frustrated.
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You didn't hurt my feelings at all. I don't take kindly to being called a line from Brownings Pippa Passages is all. No issue. As for the confederate flag and its present symbology to many, it's yet another example of racist groups like the KKK and the Jim Crowe gang taking something and turning it into a shitshow. I thought its use in that song added to the context of the story the song represents. But I know it was offensive to @Roger A. Shrubber , so apologies to you. The "E" word that I championed for a sports team was a bit much, considering that I was schooled by an Inuit girl I worked with about the meaning and appropriate use (as in don't use it), especially in indigenous company. None of these words or symbols I use are intended as insults or racially motivated slurs to the groups of people that it affects, but I'll apologize to the forum members that view them as such.

I don't think anyone here would want to know what I call some of my indigenous buddies though. You'd be horrified. ;)
 
Cannasaurus Rex

Cannasaurus Rex

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I'm just disappointed my CFL memorabilia and Bobby Hull Jersey are being rendered worthless. Glad they haven't clued in to how much a quality person Babe Ruth was...hopefully until after the auction. Too late for the dental plan, but I'm anxiously awaiting the grocery check,, and total reliance on taxpayer 'generosity' soon. There goes my retirement fund. Perhaps a 'shut your f***ing mouth you old dinosaur' Go fund me???? Nah just keep working in the private sector and enslave our future generations.
 
CunningCanuk

CunningCanuk

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Dorian2 said:
You didn't hurt my feelings at all. I don't take kindly to being called a line from Brownings Pippa Passages is all. No issue. As for the confederate flag and its present symbology to many, it's yet another example of racist groups like the KKK and the Jim Crowe gang taking something and turning it into a shitshow. I thought its use in that song added to the context of the story the song represents. But I know it was offensive to @Roger A. Shrubber , so apologies to you. The "E" word that I championed for a sports team was a bit much, considering that I was schooled by an Inuit girl I worked with about the meaning and appropriate use (as in don't use it), especially in indigenous company. None of these words or symbols I use are intended as insults or racially motivated slurs to the groups of people that it affects, but I'll apologize to the forum members that view them as such.

I don't think anyone here would want to know what I call some of my indigenous buddies though. You'd be horrified. ;)
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