Christianity, Homosexuality, and the New Covenant

Green Bud Smurfy said:
You guys are so narrow-minded that it's unbelievable. You responded by simply calling me a "latent homosexual" and used other forms defection, which is an empty insult backed by absolutely no evidence. This type of argumentative fallacy (you will find this in any philosophy course) is called ad hominem.

Fortunately, Big Lou, you're not alone. This article here displays an exchange between an LGBT member/activist and a Minister, Michael Brown. The childish misunderstandings that most all Leftists have towards the true Christian faith are untrue and ultimately sums up your extremely limited capacities for formulating valid arguments even worth responding to (which I haven't for several months due to your half of the conversations being a complete waste of time):

https://stream.org/enlightening-twitter-exchange-lgbt-activist/
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Christianity's sole purpose is to brainwash stupid and weak people, period.
 
TacoMac said:
This is pure bullshit made up by the Christians to enable them to pick and choose which laws they want to lord over everybody and which ones they want to ignore.

The law against homosexuality is VERY clear in Leviticus. It says that any man that lay with another man the way he would a woman should be put to death.

And the Christians hate gays, so they LOVE that verse and lord it over people.

But guess what? Anybody that lays mixed crops has to be put to death too. Well, there goes all the farmers that every partook in crop rotation. They all die. All of them. No exceptions. No matter what.

BUT WAIT!!! NO THEY DON'T!!! Because Jesus trumps that rule by way of magical, bullshit Christian interpretation even though Jesus never mentioned crop rotation either!

Guess who else dies?

Read a horoscope? You die.
Get your palm read? You die.
Commit adultery? You die...but only if you're female. Males can screw anybody they want except for other males.
Get a tattoo? You die.

UNLESS YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN - then you can magically make shit up as you go along and pick and choose ONLY those laws that suit your particular bigoted cause.

The list of hypocrisy is endless.
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You need to learn how to read better. I already explained how the MORAL commands of Leviticus are intact but the CEREMONIAL/CIVIL commandments are fulfilled. However, it is important to note that we are ALL sinners and therefore we are ALL evil! Males don't get to have extramarital sex, either. God himself warned against having multiple wives!
 
Green Bud Smurfy said:
Fortunately, Big Lou, you're not alone.
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Unfortunately, BL has his out-of-office auto-reply turned on and hasn't been kicking up sand here for a few weeks. He was right about you, though.

Green Bud Smurfy said:
You responded by simply calling me a "latent homosexual" and used other forms defection, which is an empty insult backed by absolutely no evidence.
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There are a plethora of studies supporting the possibility (if not the likelihood) that you are indeed gay, based on your posting history here and what you appear to focus on. Evidence? Circumstantial, but yes.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/roots/overview.html
 
dagwood45431 said:
Unfortunately, BL has his out-of-office auto-reply turned on and hasn't been kicking up sand here for a few weeks. He was right about you, though.



There are a plethora of studies supporting the possibility (if not the likelihood) that you are indeed gay, based on your posting history here and what you appear to focus on. Evidence? Circumstantial, but yes.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/roots/overview.html
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Read the first sentence of the article: it references the "many people who hold negative feelings towards gays". I don't hate gay people on the fact that they have intercourse with other members of the same sex. We ALL have out own quirks and sins that we need to address, so it's the sin that I hate not the person.

By the way, you guys are always changing the subject. This is not only frustrating for me because it's impossible to have a productive conversation when you act like children. But It also shows you are intellectually incapable of expressing an opinion about the original subject on hand, which was about the difference between the moral, civil, and ceremonial laws of the Old Testament.
 
Green Bud Smurfy said:
Read the first sentence of the article: it references the "many people who hold negative feelings towards gays". I don't hate gay people on the fact that they have intercourse with other members of the same sex. We ALL have out own quirks and sins that we need to address, so it's the sin that I hate not the person.

By the way, you guys are always changing the subject. This is not only frustrating for me because it's impossible to have a productive conversation when you act like children. But It also shows you are intellectually incapable of expressing an opinion about the original subject on hand, which was about the difference between the moral, civil, and ceremonial laws of the Old Testament.
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It is not surprising that there are parts of the bible you do not wish to discuss.
Ethnic cleansing, incest, slavery, etc are unpleasant topics.
 
Green Bud Smurfy said:
Read the first sentence of the article: it references the "many people who hold negative feelings towards gays". I don't hate gay people on the fact that they have intercourse with other members of the same sex. We ALL have out own quirks and sins that we need to address, so it's the sin that I hate not the person.

By the way, you guys are always changing the subject. This is not only frustrating for me because it's impossible to have a productive conversation when you act like children. But It also shows you are intellectually incapable of expressing an opinion about the original subject on hand, which was about the difference between the moral, civil, and ceremonial laws of the Old Testament.
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It is you that has refused to confront our arguments directly. I gave you my honest opinion, and I read your arguments. I just disagree with every one of them. You made insults instead of making a logical argument against mine. Read back through our conversation. Who is the unreasonable one?

Now read your own post as I reply to it, piece by piece, like I have this entire time.

Hating homosexuality but not the homosexual; what does that even mean? A sin is wrong, immoral, which means it does harm, right? Who do homosexuals harm when they commit homosexual acts? Tell me. Confront it, like I've ask you to this entire time. Then tell me how a homosexual would likely feel when you tell them that you hate the fact that they are gay, an inherent part of who they are, but somehow you don't hate them as a person. Please respond, I'm asking.

I see the idea of homosexuality being a sin as antiquated. It was normalized back then in that culture, which is why humans included it in their religion. But it speaks to no real truth, and if there was a god, it would be truth.
 
dagwood45431 said:
Unfortunately, BL has his out-of-office auto-reply turned on and hasn't been kicking up sand here for a few weeks. He was right about you, though.



There are a plethora of studies supporting the possibility (if not the likelihood) that you are indeed gay, based on your posting history here and what you appear to focus on. Evidence? Circumstantial, but yes.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/roots/overview.html
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By the way, you can't just say that I must like other guys because I do not tolerate homosexuality in my life! Besides the (very) occasional and unwanted intrusive thought, I have never enjoyed such thoughts or even considered a homosexual act being something I enjoy. To me, it's just gross. The bung hole is a one way street haha I don't want nothing getting shoved up in there.

TO summarize, I am naturally a straight person. Fortunately for me, I don't have to struggle with my own flesh to resist other men because I don't have any attraction towards them. I do, however, struggle mightily with remaining sexually pure as I have had sex with many different women in the past.


Chunky Stool said:
It is not surprising that there are parts of the bible you do not wish to discuss.
Ethnic cleansing, incest, slavery, etc are unpleasant topics.
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I NEVER said I didn't want to discuss certain parts of the Bible.

Where do you want to start? Nowhere in the Bible is "ethnic cleansing" practiced based on ethnicity alone. The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah regarded the high percentage of the population there who rebelled against God and were living in total sin. EVEN SO, God himself sent an angel to rescue the select few righteous people (Lot and his family) within the boundaries of the city before it was annihilated. See: Genesis 19

PCXV said:
It is you that has refused to confront our arguments directly. I gave you my honest opinion, and I read your arguments. I just disagree with every one of them. You made insults instead of making a logical argument against mine. Read back through our conversation. Who is the unreasonable one?

Now read your own post as I reply to it, piece by piece, like I have this entire time.

Hating homosexuality but not the homosexual; what does that even mean? A sin is wrong, immoral, which means it does harm, right? Who do homosexuals harm when they commit homosexual acts? Tell me. Confront it, like I've ask you to this entire time. Then tell me how a homosexual would likely feel when you tell them that you hate the fact that they are gay, an inherent part of who they are, but somehow you don't hate them as a person. Please respond, I'm asking.

I see the idea of homosexuality being a sin as antiquated. It was normalized back then in that culture, which is why humans included it in their religion. But it speaks to no real truth, and if there was a god, it would be truth.
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A homosexual act not only damages the purity of the homosexual but also his or her partner. So yeah, there is someone else harmed. The same goes for masturbation, fornication, and adultery though.You can't just do what you want to all the time

Being gay is not a sin, but acting on a homosexual orientation IS a sin. Just as I can't go out and bang hookers as a Christians, gay people can't be having gay sex either. Jesus commanded to "love your neighbor as yourself", so it is up to us as Christians to guide homosexuals from preforming gay acts so that they may be saved
 
Green Bud Smurfy said:
I must like other guys because I do not tolerate homosexuality
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just the way you phrase it though seems like a dead giveaway.

Green Bud Smurfy said:
the (very) occasional and unwanted intrusive thought, I have never enjoyed such thoughts or even considered a homosexual act being something I enjoy.
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so you occasionally think about gay sex?

huh.

how do you know you're not gay, since you've never had sex with a woman or a man?
 
Green Bud Smurfy said:
A homosexual act not only damages the purity of the homosexual but also his or her partner. So yeah, there is someone else harmed. The same goes for masturbation, fornication, and adultery though.You can't just do what you want to all the time

Being gay is not a sin, but acting on a homosexual orientation IS a sin. Just as I can't go out and bang hookers as a Christians, gay people can't be having gay sex either. Jesus commanded to "love your neighbor as yourself", so it is up to us as Christians to guide homosexuals from preforming gay acts so that they may be saved
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How does it damage them or their partner's purity?

You aren't answering the question of "why" homosexuality is immoral, you are just saying that it is.

Maybe first we should define "harm." Because that is the line where immorality starts; does it harm someone physically, emotionally, financially, etc.?

As far as I can tell, Homosexuality and homosexual acts do not hurt anything or anybody in and of themselves. Same for masturbation in most cases, fornication most cases, and even adultery in some cases such as open marriages where nobody is hurt because both people wanted polygamy.

Secondly, how is being a homosexual, meaning a person that is inherently only attracted to the same sex, not a sin, but performing homosexual acts and being in a consentual homosexual relationship, the logical conclusion of a homosexual fulfilling the innate human desire for love, affection, acceptance, etc. is a sin?

It makes no sense to me.
 
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