Coco Growers Unite!
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jberry
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yea, i have heard it was sour diesel crossed with DJ short's grape crush but ive only heard that from one source... idk which i have lol
eza82
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Still getting crap over to other side of world. Hectic to say the lest. Missing my garden already
psychodelicbob
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I'm keeping my "mothers" in coco and find the roots just love to throw themselves out the bottom of the pots in such a hurry!
I have my pots sitting in larger buckets, and I bottom feed...
(Roots now exposed to fluro lighting)
Is my best option to either trim the roots back, keep them wet (with minimal dry periods), or cover he buckets they're in and go back to watering less?
Cheers in advance
PB
I have my pots sitting in larger buckets, and I bottom feed...
(Roots now exposed to fluro lighting)
Is my best option to either trim the roots back, keep them wet (with minimal dry periods), or cover he buckets they're in and go back to watering less?
Cheers in advance
PB
marlboro05
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I am sold.
Will try coco on my second Lowryder Diesel Ryder.
Want to do a 100% organic pot-ponic grow though...
I have posted my coco-soil mix idea here -> https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/327918-coco-soil-mix-pot-ponics.html#post4120502
Any of you coco-experienced guys can help?
Bless the coco
Will try coco on my second Lowryder Diesel Ryder.
Want to do a 100% organic pot-ponic grow though...
I have posted my coco-soil mix idea here -> https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/327918-coco-soil-mix-pot-ponics.html#post4120502
Any of you coco-experienced guys can help?
Bless the coco
ZEN MASTER
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hey what up man congrats on your decision to use coco. me personally, i use the loose variety from canna, and i dont really believe in mixing it with anything. reason being is that coco nutes are coco specific, meaning only for coco. see the npk actually bonds to the coco. now i imagine that the bio bizz is good and the nutes are probably good too, but they are not "coco specific". and i think it might make things not as easy as they should be(coco is very, very easy to work with). keep it simple. now dont get me wrong ive seen alot of diiferent things that i would not do work like a charm for some guys, but like i said i like to keep it simple, so i just use straight coco, and COCO NUTES ONLY. trust me, i would just suggest that you get a feel for it before you start experimenting with it. because even though i dont believe in it, i do know that mixing coco with other mediums, and methods works. but most of the time its works out either one of two ways:#1is the grower that hits brick wall , after brick wall and crop after crop suffers because of this new "technique" he just wants to make work, and after a while gets it dailed in. or #2 the grower who took time to learn how to use the coco first, and then started to introduce new methods and techniques to his growroom, and all the while enjoying the fruits of his harvest. i guess im just trying to say "DONT MIX YOUR COCO WITH ANYTHING!"
just "my" opinion though, ok.
PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
marlboro05
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Thanks for advice. I see what u mean. Do pure coco the way the book says for 1-2 grows and start the alchemy organic mixes AFTER I feel some confidence with coco.
Safe play says the ZEN master, Safe play the ninja will do
Bless
#1Raiderfan420
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I agree with Zen. Run it the first time without adding anything. I add perlite to my coir now, but ran it straight the first time. If you are set on mixing it soil, guano, ets, Then I would the Roots Organic hydro mix. It is already mixed and I have heard postive things about it, but I haven't used it. I use B'Cuzz premium coir and super chuck perlite only. It is easy to use if you don't make it harder than it has to be.
ZEN MASTER
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thanks dude, preciate that. Like i said i dont agree, but i dont discourage. But if you are going to mix, i totally agree with your approach. Correct me if im wrong, but its about increasing the amount of oxygen readily avalible to the roots. But the key is that the perilite is neutral and it wont throw off the ph while in the process of doing this, correct? And i second that, it is extremely easy.
How many times do you water in a week? Me twice a week at the most. I use the white, square 7x7 1.5gal pots. For some reason they hold nutes longer than the round pots do, to me. And i noticed that the roots grow out and down instead of circling around the inside of the pot.
Peace!!!
-zen-
holayall
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ZEN MASTER
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in my opinion i say about 70% dry, go ahead and feed. but here are two sure fire ways to learn so you will know if you need to feed. first stick your finger about an inch into the top of the coco, if the coco below is dark then it still has enough moisture in it. if its dry and light colored then it might be time to feed. second, which really should have been fisrt, but whatever. second, what you should start doing now is when you water, lift your pot and see how heavy it is. over time(the next week or so) periodically check the weight of the pot. by doing this you will be able to determine how manys days it takes for your plant to be fed, or the frequency that you want to feed, because the pot will become lighter and lighter as the days go by. i use 7x7x9 square 1.5gal pots, and i feed like twice a week, depending on what stage they are in and how hungry they are. hope that helps my friend.
P.S. nice plants, just my opinion, but maybe you should re-arrange them and put your taller plants around the perimeter, and the shorter ones under the light. those tall ones are gonna end up stealing too much light from those short ones on the outside.
PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
jberry
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Coco is hydro so you want to feed as often as possible but not when the coco is still soggy (although over-watering would be better than under--watering!)... if you can only water once or twice a week then it will end up hurting your yield and i would consider using a smaller container to grow in...you want something that can be watered everyday or at least every other day.
The plant and the coco will both try to adapt to whatever conditions you give it and different types of roots will form based on how you feed...You want to feed often.
The water weight method is the best way to know when to water.
The plant and the coco will both try to adapt to whatever conditions you give it and different types of roots will form based on how you feed...You want to feed often.
The water weight method is the best way to know when to water.
ZEN MASTER
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absolutely correct jb.
Thats why i switched to the 1.5gal square pot. For some reason they hold more tha the 2gal round pots i was using. But yea the weight of the pot is the best measure.
Btw jb thats why i try to hit them twice now because i dont know if you remember but you told me that once, and when i tried it(watering more than once a week) i did notice somewhat bigger buds. Thanks.
Peace!!!
-zen-
jberry
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yea you really want to force feed the girls as much as possible... If u can push the limits without burning or drowning your plants then you will get a bigger harvest then you would from a healthy looking plant that is getting the bare minimum... my biggest harvests are the ones I have pushed the ppm's higher and feed often... The problem is, if you go to far and burn your plants at all, then it will really hurt your yield and even the quality of the end product. The key is to know your strain and your rooms environment like its the back of your hand.
jberry
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Another tip I have for everyone is to concentrate on the first 2-3 weeks of flower... Any problem during this stage will effect the outcome of the final yield quite a bit. After the first week of flower you may need to increase the cal/mag as well as your micros. Also using some L-amino acids during rapid growth may be helpful... If you are using a kelp product high in auxins then stop using it at this point and switch to one high in cytokinins instead.
Silky Shagsalot
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for people in this thread wanting to water less than every other day, should prob just grow in soil instead. coco is hydro, so it can/should be treated as such, and fed numerous times daily. sure, you can get away with watering every couple days, but why would you want to? reducing the amount of times you feed in coco, is kind of like not topping off your bubbler when it gets low and your roots aren't in water. i always have roots all the way to the top of my container. if i don't keep the uppermost part of the coco moist, those roots aren't going to be able to feed. that will negatively effect all of the good things you want from growing in coco, imo.
jberry
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I gotta agree with you on that...
On a different note, I just got some free bags of CocoNot by Vermicrop and the stuff sounds and looks promising... The stuff looks and feels similar to canna coco but its made from redwood mulch instead of coco. They say it gives similar to better results and it dries out faster than coco so that you can feed more often.... it contains no salts, is inert, and no coco specific nutes required. They had pictures of peppers grown in coco VS. coconot and both were big and nice but the CocoNot plants were bigger and nicer but I wont be convinced until I do my own side by side test grows...
I did talk to reps long enough to get interested, and I decided I'm going to give it a test run since they were confident enough to give me the CocoNot for free to run against my Canna Coco... They also threw in some free bags of regular Coco from a company out of Holland and some Vermi-Blend Amendment and their Vermi-Tea which I have used in the past and they are both great products full of microlife.
I will let you all know how the Coconot works in a few months... anyone else heard of this or tried it out?
On a different note, I just got some free bags of CocoNot by Vermicrop and the stuff sounds and looks promising... The stuff looks and feels similar to canna coco but its made from redwood mulch instead of coco. They say it gives similar to better results and it dries out faster than coco so that you can feed more often.... it contains no salts, is inert, and no coco specific nutes required. They had pictures of peppers grown in coco VS. coconot and both were big and nice but the CocoNot plants were bigger and nicer but I wont be convinced until I do my own side by side test grows...
I did talk to reps long enough to get interested, and I decided I'm going to give it a test run since they were confident enough to give me the CocoNot for free to run against my Canna Coco... They also threw in some free bags of regular Coco from a company out of Holland and some Vermi-Blend Amendment and their Vermi-Tea which I have used in the past and they are both great products full of microlife.
I will let you all know how the Coconot works in a few months... anyone else heard of this or tried it out?
#1Raiderfan420
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Yes Zen, the perlite just helps the medium dry out a little qiucker so I can water more frequently and more oxygen to the roots. When I ran straight coir I watered every 4 days in 7 gals smart pots. With 25% perlite and 5 gal pots I watered every other day. I have a lot of air movement in my room and keep temps at 75 deg. I notice when I drop the temps to 7- the medium stays moist a lot longer. My set-up I am working in now is ebb & flow with 50% perlite 50% super chunky perlite and am planning on watering twice a day, but we will see how fast they drink. My veg room now is two 2x4 ebb&flow trays and I am flood twice a day with good results. I do have to say, the first run with 100% coco coir had the most dense buds of any since.
#1Raiderfan420
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OK, you got my attention. I am very interested to see how this stuff works. It sounds like it may be a good coco alternative. I might try and find some to run a side by side too. How does the price compare to coco? I'll bet it is less attractive to fungas gnats than coco too.
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