Colorado Med Growers, Unite

I also need some opinions on the clones that I have rooted.

As you can see some have nute burns while others have either nute deficiency, nute lockout, or light bleaching.

All have been treated with Mycorrhiza, and they're all in a 1/3 perlite & 2/3 Ferti-Lome soil mix with nothing else added. The horticulturist at the nursery promised me that Ferti-Lome would be mild enough for clones & I wouldn't have burns.

My guess is that some have nute burns while others have had their chlorophyl bleached by the lights even though the HIDs are pretty far away.

Burns on some & deficiencies on others doesn't seem to make much sense to me. And I don't think the soil is hot enough for a lock-out.

(I cleaned them up before taking the group pic)

Let me know what you think.

+rep for any & all help.

From what I've heard from books, growers, and everything else I've read, 2ft is average at 8 weeks if things go well. So if I had 3ft plants at 9 weeks I think it would be safe to say that I'm doing something that most don't to get that extra growth.

Click to expand...

Lots of things can account for thing including long nodal spacing

That said, the fact that I have 2ft plants at 8 1/2 weeks given all the problems that I've had tells me that the Mycorrhiza has made up for all my misfortunes & mistakes in only 5 weeks time.

Click to expand...

That would be a feeling. Not a fact.

I guess I could be wrong. These 4 different strains could be growing better than average for me for some other reason. But the Mycorrhiza is the only thing that I'm doing out of the ordinary.

Click to expand...

Your not doing anything out of the ordinary. Anyone using compost has lots more myco activity.

P.S. Do you realize how many varieties of Mycorrhiza there are? And there are several times that many whan you start talking about "beneficial micro organisms". Do you really think that any 1 rule holds true for all of them?

Click to expand...

I know there are LOTS of different types and I know that spores take months to colonize.

BTW, I bought a 3qt container today. I was wrong about it having only 1 type, it has several. I guess they couln't fit it all on the smaller container. Here's a list of the tyes that MYKEs contains:
Glorrius Intrardices
Pilolithus Tinctorius
Laccaria Laccata
Rhizopogon Roseolus
Rhizopogon Subscaerelescens
Rhizopogon Villosulus
Rhizopogon Vulgaris
Scleroderma Cepa
Sclerodema Citrinni

That was more for others that might be reading, I doubt you'll take the time to do any research. All I can tell you (with a lack of research on my own part) that this stuff was made for the soil, and it was designed for trees & shrubs so it's strong. Why it started to work in a few weeks, I don't know. All I know is it did. Don't take my word for it, check the pic of the roots. I have that question posted on a few sites and I'm getting a lot of interesting responses, most saying that they've never seen colonization like that at 8 weeks.

Click to expand...

Lots of people on this site say lots of things. You should know that by now. At 8 weeks you should have a huge ass rootball. You do. CONGRATS.

Further, I was told in this very thread not long ago that clones are mature and therefore can handle FFOF with out getting burned. These clones got burned in Ferti-Lome which I'm sure is more mild. Can you offer any other explanation if it's not the Mycorrhiza?

Click to expand...

I'll check your pix but i have sneaky feeling you may be misdiagnosing.

DannyGreenEyes said:

I also need some opinions on the clones that I have rooted.

As you can see some have nute burns while others have either nute deficiency, nute lockout, or light bleaching.

All have been treated with Mycorrhiza, and they're all in a 1/3 perlite & 2/3 Ferti-Lome soil mix with nothing else added. The horticulturist at the nursery promised me that Ferti-Lome would be mild enough for clones & I wouldn't have burns.

My guess is that some have nute burns while others have had their chlorophyl bleached by the lights even though the HIDs are pretty far away.

Burns on some & deficiencies on others doesn't seem to make much sense to me. And I don't think the soil is hot enough for a lock-out.

(I cleaned them up before taking the group pic)

Let me know what you think.

+rep for any & all help.

Click to expand...

OK. These have 1 thing in common. They are all hungry with the exception of the 1 with a burnt top.

Not Burn .. Deff
Not Light Bleaching .. Deff

Feed them bitches.

That explains the clone burning thing that puzzled me too from earlier.

doogleef said:

Lots of things can account for thing including long nodal spacing



That would be a feeling. Not a fact.


Your not doing anything out of the ordinary. Anyone using compost has lots more myco activity.




I know there are LOTS of different types and I know that spores take months to colonize.



Lots of people on this site say lots of things. You should know that by now. At 8 weeks you should have a huge ass rootball. You do. CONGRATS.



I'll check your pix but i have sneaky feeling you may be misdiagnosing.



OK. These have 1 thing in common. They are all hungry with the exception of the 1 with a burnt top.

Not Burn .. Deff
Not Light Bleaching .. Deff

Feed them bitches.

That explains the clone burning thing that puzzled me too from earlier.

Click to expand...

Nodal spacing seems short to me. About 1" to 2", most are about 1".

Mycorrhiza from compost is less...... specific. With this product I'm choosing which strains to use. I'm sure I'll try others in the future but these are working good for now.

I haven't done the research to argue which strains start faster. But I'm sure they don't all take the same ammount of time. That's like saying all mites hate humidity because the ones you've dealt with hate humidity. (I'll do more research when I have more time)

I know different people are bound to say just about anything. Some have told me that the colonization is weak, but only a small percentage. Most are saying either above average or way above average. And thank you for the encouragement, but I really wasn't talking about the root ball, I was talking about the colonization. The off shoots from the main roots. What I might call the space fillers.

Those are deficiencies? They look just like the nute burns on the moms. The only deficiency I've ever seen look like that are MG deficiencies. They're a little small for minor nute deficiencies, aren't they?

None of those clones were ever in FFOF, but the Purple Passion was (she's in there somewhere). She stopped growing all together till I put her in the Ferti-Lome. I guess that strain is more sensitive to nute burns. Even if I was wrong in my diagnosis of her, I don't think she'd stop growing because of a deficiency, nor do I think she would have gotten a deficiency in FFOF. The other clones that got burned by FFOF are long gone, had to trash them.

I'll try feeding the clones, I hope you're right. But even if you aren't, it wont take much to flush them. lol

I have one new question also. I was just checking some other clones that I've been trying to root in soil (Ferti-Lome) and one of them has a little sprout coming up next to it. Almost kinda looks like a seedling. Is this fairly common? And do I pull it or let it grow?

Let it go.


It does not take long to leach soil when using solo cups causing unexpected N deff. Pretty bad on a couple. Caused necrosis in places. I've done it before (with FFOF now that i think about it) .

If you want to get something to really have an effect on your root structure, try smart pots or copper hydroxide spray :: (echo?) Root pruning works just like pruning the top. makes it a bushy lil bitch,

What the fuck are you guys doing up so late do you even sleep i mean it is like danny's putting in 6 hours after midnight to get his plants straight..

Which by the way DAN those aren't nute burn your plants being as big as they are are redistributing its food and water production to the leaves that are getting more light ( mine do it when they start to outgrow their pots...same goes for your clones they are just having a tough time taking up nutes (what kind of soil are you using for clones it shouldn't have any perilight in it it needs as much water holding material as it can take. Like a peat moss or a ff frog)

Im gonna be posting a link up soon about building a cloning box with a water splasher for less than 30 dollars...they work really well in getting your clones happy for the first few days of cloning

Get some fucking sleep you insomniacs smoke a bowl but shit it's too late to be doing so much work

doogleef said:

Let it go.


It does not take long to leach soil when using solo cups causing unexpected N deff. Pretty bad on a couple. Caused necrosis in places. I've done it before (with FFOF now that i think about it) .

Click to expand...

I'll try to give them some fert on the next water. But what about the moms. I posted pics of damage to some of the lower leaves a few posts ago. Looks a lot like what I thought were burns on the clones. I just flushed before I transplanted. Could it be a nute deficiency too?

And here's a pic of the little sprout that coming up next to one of the clones. I'm not sure what it is, but it looks like MJ. I didn't plant any seeds, could it be some kind of off shoot from the cones new roots? Should I pull it, or just let it go? Do you think it looks like MJ?

This is a new one on me, never even heard of anything like this.

doogleef said:

If you want to get something to really have an effect on your root structure, try smart pots or copper hydroxide spray :: (echo?) Root pruning works just like pruning the top. makes it a bushy lil bitch,

Click to expand...

I just don't understand how root pruning would be beneficial. Why would that be better than transplanting & letting them grow?

Danny whats up buddy your roots look awesome but my last grow my plants aversged 30 - 35 inches after 6 wks veg and two -two and a half wks 12/12 so thats 8.5 wks so you dont have to have all those extra spores especially if it makes you not be able to keep them in any soil without problems imo you should not worry so much about under the dirt and worry more about the plant growin i dont know thats just mo like i said before healthy good root structure is very important but not the only thing to worry about but man you are sure commited to those babies and they r definetaly nice!!!!!!

not sure about the sprout but my roses and my corn do that all the time

MileHIGHclub101 said:

What the fuck are you guys doing up so late do you even sleep i mean it is like danny's putting in 6 hours after midnight to get his plants straight..

Which by the way DAN those aren't nute burn your plants being as big as they are are redistributing its food and water production to the leaves that are getting more light ( mine do it when they start to outgrow their pots...same goes for your clones they are just having a tough time taking up nutes (what kind of soil are you using for clones it shouldn't have any perilight in it it needs as much water holding material as it can take. Like a peat moss or a ff frog)

Im gonna be posting a link up soon about building a cloning box with a water splasher for less than 30 dollars...they work really well in getting your clones happy for the first few days of cloning

Get some fucking sleep you insomniacs smoke a bowl but shit it's too late to be doing so much work

Click to expand...

Thanks for the concern and the help. +rep

Yeah, I was up all night because my car broke down a week ago (waiting on parts, should have them today) and I'm late on getting them transferred into bigger pots. It was long over due.

Plus cleaning the room, treating for mites, pulling 50 clones so I can pay bills, releasing new lady bugs..... I've had a busy night. lol

So they're just leaves that the plants are allowing to die off because they're outgrowing the pots? So it should stop now that I've transplanted then I hope. Right?

I was trying to use FFOF for rooting clones, but it kept burning them. It also burned a rooted clone that I got of a Purple Passion and it actually stopped growing. So I switched to Ferti-Lome (couldn't find Light Warrior or Happy Frog till recently).

All the clones are in Ferti-Lome. The first 2 transferrs were done with FFOF, and the last 5 were done with mostly FFHF (I ran out of soil and had to use the last half bag of Ferti-Lome. Even with the Perlite, Ferti-Lome holds water too well. I almost drowed the first 40 clones I tried to root in dirt, but I think I saved most of them. The 9 that I recently rooted, I guess I have to feed them. I'm gonna try & see what happens. I can always flush if it goes bad.

The cloner would be cool, but I have to make some money before putting any more into it. I have 2 Rapid Rooters now (50 clones each) and 40 in soil that look like they're going to make it. As soon as I sell some of these off I'll have some cash to play with. So the DIY cloner would be cool.

Again, thanks for the concern. But I have to call the car dealer at 11 to see if he has my part so I can fix my car. I also have a few phone calls to make and I have to pay my rent. Maybe I'll have time to sleep tonight. lol

Don't worry about me, I ran a business for 7 years. I'm kinda use to all nighters. Don't tell my Dr. though. lol

BTW, I've been looking here & there for some pics but can't find any. You wouldn't know of a thread or something where I can get a look at the average root system at different stages, would you?

growman09 said:

Danny whats up buddy your roots look awesome but my last grow my plants aversged 30 - 35 inches after 6 wks veg and two -two and a half wks 12/12 so thats 8.5 wks so you dont have to have all those extra spores especially if it makes you not be able to keep them in any soil without problems imo you should not worry so much about under the dirt and worry more about the plant growin i dont know thats just mo like i said before healthy good root structure is very important but not the only thing to worry about but man you are sure commited to those babies and they r definetaly nice!!!!!!

Click to expand...

growman09 said:

not sure about the sprout but my roses and my corn do that all the time

Click to expand...

You do great on your grows. Most people tell me 2' is average for 8 weeks. Mine should be bigger, but I've had a lot of problems that slowed the growth. Not really sure how big they'd be if not for all the problems. I guess I'll find out on my next grow. I'm limited to 7 plants though instead of 8. 8 just wont fit in that closet once they're in 10 gal containers. lol I gotta get a 2 BR Apt so I can spread out more.

I know that folliage is important, and I'm working on that. Got me some bug protection. Learned how to water without over or under doing it. Learned not to mix blood & bone meal with FFOF. lol My next grow will be bigger.

When you say your roses & corn do it all the time, what exactly do they do. Just sprout another plant right next to the original? And if so, is it really a good idea to have 2 plants so close together? Or is it still 1 plant? I'm kinda in the dark here.

Thanks for the help. I'll +rep you if I can. Not sure how long it's been sine the last one.

P.S. Be back in a minute. Gotta make a few calls & make some breakfast.

not sure if its good but my corn does it from seedling ive never picked it or anything prob. some sort of a sucker but not sure how it affects harves though because i keep getting such a infestation from the bugs that my corn keeps getting munched i had 4 rows of corn and got i think 2-3 ears sucks!! i even tried some ff insect spray next year im gonna try a garlic baased spray and ill try a red pepper based spray my roses did it because the stump from grow season the year before didnt seem to want to grow so new shoots popped up all around it i presume from the roots but i left them so not sure but they also didnt even produce 1 rose bud .
oh and with my last grow i only used 3 gal bags and ended up with 38-39 inch plants

growman09 said:

not sure if its good but my corn does it from seedling ive never picked it or anything prob. some sort of a sucker but not sure how it affects harves though because i keep getting such a infestation from the bugs that my corn keeps getting munched i had 4 rows of corn and got i think 2-3 ears sucks!! i even tried some ff insect spray next year im gonna try a garlic baased spray and ill try a red pepper based spray my roses did it because the stump from grow season the year before didnt seem to want to grow so new shoots popped up all around it i presume from the roots but i left them so not sure but they also didnt even produce 1 rose bud .
oh and with my last grow i only used 3 gal bags and ended up with 38-39 inch plants

Click to expand...

Well if it's a sprout from the same root system, then I think I should pull it. Just don't know how I'm gonna keep it from growing back. If it's not attatched to the same root system, I should still pull it. It's hard to grow 2 plants in one pot. And if one goes hermie, you're screwed, blued, & tattoo'd. lol

whats up fellow colorado growers. ive been catching up on the thread so i thought it would be a good time to say "hello". i just started my project again bc family was in town for xmas. i have two sog'd serious seed white russians 15 days into flower. i also started some diesel bag seeds a friend gave me along with two dinafem cali hash and blue hash in an ebb and flow setup. ive been growing just over a year now and have some good luck and some bad luck.i think i have everything figured out now. i live 10 miles from a couple of the major ski resorts off i-70.

knucklehead said:

whats up fellow colorado growers. ive been catching up on the thread so i thought it would be a good time to say "hello". i just started my project again bc family was in town for xmas. i have two sog'd serious seed white russians 15 days into flower. i also started some diesel bag seeds a friend gave me along with two dinafem cali hash and blue hash in an ebb and flow setup. ive been growing just over a year now and have some good luck and some bad luck.i think i have everything figured out now. i live 10 miles from a couple of the major ski resorts off i-70.

Click to expand...

Welcome
Are you on the E or W side of the tunnel?

I'll be damed, little sucker had it's own root system, and no signs of a seed casing.

It must have been something that came in with the Ferti-Lome. Wonder what it is.

Anyway, I'd say stay away from Ferti-Lome soil. Last thing you want is the roots getting tied with something that isn't MJ.

i am lookin gat a place in Guffey colorado...nice land out there

Arvada said:

Welcome
Are you on the E or W side of the tunnel?

Click to expand...

west side, not too far from glenwood.

Hi all!
Does anyone know how long it takes to get your card? I got mine in Oct..seems long. I sent it certified and have the receipt, but just curious if anyone can speak to this.
thanks!