Cop murderer believes in gun control

cannabineer · Feb 10, 2013

nick88 said:
it's not the people with the fed permits for autos that i'm talking about.. It's the ones that people have that have been illegally converted that the problem comes in.

I agree that that is a problem. But i don't think that overarming the police (whose bailiwick it is to detect/solve crimes and apprehend criminals, NOT to be the keepers of the peace) will help at all in this endeavor, and will hurt society in the long run. It would perpetuate the unfortunate misapprehension that the police are a sort of militia. They are not. cn

nontheist · Feb 10, 2013

nick88 said:
Didn't say they needed more laws. They have too many as it is.. I'm saying that as long as those types of illegal guns are on the streets that the authorities should have access to the same types of weapons that they have to face.
Don't get me wrong, i think the law has way too much authority and jurisdiction as it is. But there are some aspects of there job that put them into conflict against people with those types of weapons.

A convenience store clerk is more likely to be threatened with a assault weapon than a leo. Did you know leo's don't even make it in the top 30 most dangerous job category? Landscapers have a higher fatality rate lol. I am sorry the boys in blue shit is way over played and anyone with basic math skills can see it's bullshit.

http://bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cfoi_rates_2009hb.pdf

cannabineer · Feb 10, 2013

nontheist said:
A convenience store clerk is more likely to be threatened with a assault weapon than a leo. Did you know leo's don't even make it in the top 30 most dangerous job category? Landscapers have a higher fatality rate lol. I am sorry the boys in blue shit is way over played and anyone with basic math skills can see it's bullshit.

http://bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cfoi_rates_2009hb.pdf

Please keep in mind that "assault weapon" is a fabricated snarl word made by and belonging to the gun grabbers. Let's not legitimize it and hand them a win. Jmo. cn

nick88 · Feb 10, 2013

nontheist said:
A convenience store clerk is more likely to be threatened with a assault weapon than a leo. Did you know leo's don't even make it in the top 30 most dangerous job category? Landscapers have a higher fatality rate lol. I am sorry the boys in blue shit is way over played and anyone with basic math skills can see it's bullshit.

http://bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cfoi_rates_2009hb.pdf

While that is true for most of the country.
please people, don't get me wrong i agree that the police have way too much authority, and even then they overstep those.
I was just stating that there are certain cities and areas where they do need extra fire power, Parts of LA, Detroit, the border etc.
Maybe i should have clarified it by saying that in certain areas it's needed.

cannabineer · Feb 10, 2013

nick88 said:
While that is true for most of the country.
please people, don't get me wrong i agree that the police have way too much authority, and even then they overstep those.
I was just stating that there are certain cities and areas where they do need extra fire power, Parts of LA, Detroit, the border etc.
Maybe i should have clarified it by saying that in certain areas it's needed.

For what do cops need this extra firepower? If they were doing their proper jobs, the pistol should be completely adequate. Part of being a cop is tactical training i.e. staying out of the way of idiots with SKSes. cn

nontheist · Feb 10, 2013

cannabineer said:
Please keep in mind that "assault weapon" is a fabricated snarl word made by and belonging to the gun grabbers. Let's not legitimize it and hand them a win. Jmo. cn

I know it is but the whole damn thing is a fabrication. Our local PD's having drone departments and shit this is getting ridiculous. I wonder how taxpayers would react if OSHA wanted a drone program to catch safety violators through the air. It would save far more lives than the local PDs but we would laugh at it. This "we need military grade weapons to "protect" our citizens from our citizens" is fucking retarded.

nick88 · Feb 10, 2013

The border-- drug runners
Parts of LA gang riddled areas
Detroit, any number of big cities that have a high concentration of gangs, the cops are highly likely to run up against those type of weapons and to say they should have only handguns?
I'm not saying its the ideal solution, but that until they fix a system that is totally screwed there has to be some kind of equalization

nick88 · Feb 10, 2013

Thats as bad as them saying they want to take guns from law abiding citizens which will only leave the crooks with guns.

cannabineer · Feb 10, 2013

nick88 said:
The border-- drug runners
Parts of LA gang riddled areas
Detroit, any number of big cities that have a high concentration of gangs, the cops are highly likely to run up against those type of weapons and to say they should have only handguns?
I'm not saying its the ideal solution, but that until they fix a system that is totally screwed there has to be some kind of equalization

They should control these by policing then, not quasimilitary action. We have Federal units armed to the teeth for when stuff gets really weird. But any police dept that cries "we need more weapons!" gets my automatic suspicious eyebrow. cn

cannabineer · Feb 10, 2013

nick88 said:
Thats as bad as them saying they want to take guns from law abiding citizens which will only leave the crooks with guns.

When police chiefs of the major cities have the power to issue concealed carry permits ... and then choose not to do so, the interest of the police in being the guys with the guns is exposed. What do you mean by "bad"? If "incorrect", I challenge that. If "improper", we'll have to disagree. cn

nick88 · Feb 10, 2013

I agree, theres lots of police dept. that are screaming more weapons and that's BS. If they had their way, they would all be walking around with mil. spec gear and weapons.
But, there are some areas where if they used normal law enforcement weapons, they would be severely out gunned and out matched.

cannabineer · Feb 10, 2013

nick88 said:
I agree, theres lots of police dept. that are screaming more weapons and that's BS. If they had their way, they would all be walking around with mil. spec gear and weapons.
But, there are some areas where if they used normal law enforcement weapons, they would be severely out gunned and out matched.

Then they should have never allowed it to come to that. They stopped policing and were converted into fundraising organizations. Deskwork and revenue traps will feed the kitty at the expense of the job they should have been doing.

I also am slow to agree that they'd be so very outgunned/outmatched. How many times a year does LA run into a situation where the pistol won't do? Call in the pros at that point. There are FBI for that.

If police are returned to their job of finding and catching crims, the expectation of whizbang weapons would go away. They're not needed for the proper police job, but are very valuable to the job the police want, namely to be the enforcers of society. Let's not allow them that. cn

Dr Kynes · Feb 10, 2013

nick88 said:
The border-- drug runners
Parts of LA gang riddled areas
Detroit, any number of big cities that have a high concentration of gangs, the cops are highly likely to run up against those type of weapons and to say they should have only handguns?
I'm not saying its the ideal solution, but that until they fix a system that is totally screwed there has to be some kind of equalization

more guns, more cops, more armoured police vehicles. in the end it will take just one man.

Detective John Spartan.

cannabineer · Feb 10, 2013

kpmarine · Feb 10, 2013

nick88 said:
Really, a person can do way more damage simply by the rate of fire, thats why its used in various different tactics,Cover fire, suppression fire, etc. or to just flat out light someones ass up.
Was just saying that if your going up against aks, ar's etc that have been converted to full auto. You dont wanna be stuck with a 9mm or 40cal, etc as your only option.

Full auto isn't for killing, it's for keeping heads down so the more mobile guys with semi-auto fire weapons can close with the enemy. You know how many times one of my buddies used anything other than the semi setting on their M4's in combat? Zero, it's a waste of ammo. On the pistol vs. auto rifle debate: In an urban environment, your pistol is just as useful as his rifle; you're not making 100yd shots here, across a street is likely your max engagement range as a cop.

nick88 · Feb 10, 2013

cannabineer said:
Then they should have never allowed it to come to that. They stopped policing and were converted into fundraising organizations. Deskwork and revenue traps will feed the kitty at the expense of the job they should have been doing.

I also am slow to agree that they'd be so very outgunned/outmatched. How many times a year does LA run into a situation where the pistol won't do? Call in the pros at that point. There are FBI for that.

If police are returned to their job of finding and catching crims, the expectation of whizbang weapons would go away. They're not needed for the proper police job, but are very valuable to the job the police want, namely to be the enforcers of society. Let's not allow them that. cn

Ok, had to stop and burn 1. :bigjoint:

True, they are not doing their jobs as defined. True, they should never have let it get to the point it is now.
True, your average cop needs only a handgun. But, at the same time until they get things under control in these high probability areas they should use a single task group for those situations when they occur, and then be held accountable for their actions the same way any other citizen is.

Dr Kynes · Feb 10, 2013

nick88 · Feb 10, 2013

kpmarine said:
Full auto isn't for killing, it's for keeping heads down so the more mobile guys with semi-auto fire weapons can close with the enemy. You know how many times one of my buddies used anything other than the semi setting on their M4's in combat? Zero, it's a waste of ammo. On the pistol vs. auto rifle debate: In an urban environment, your pistol is just as useful as his rifle; you're not making 100yd shots here, across a street is likely your max engagement range as a cop.

True , but we're not talking bout trained military using these weapons. We're talking dumbasses that only know spray and pray. And the same way you described your friends using auto for suppression fire can be used against the 1s with them.

cannabineer · Feb 10, 2013

nick88 said:
Ok, had to stop and burn 1.
True, they are not doing their jobs as defined. True, they should never have let it get to the point it is now.
True, your average cop needs only a handgun. But, at the same time until they get things under control in these high probability areas they should use a single task group for those situations when they occur, and then be held accountable for their actions the same way any other citizen is.

We're having a very hard time holding chiefs of police accountable. Can you suggest a way to do so? (Test case: get Eastern metro police chiefs to make with the carry permits already.) cn

kpmarine · Feb 10, 2013

nick88 said:
True , but we're not talking bout trained military using these weapons. We're talking dumbasses that only know spray and pray. And the same way you described your friends using auto for suppression fire can be used against the 1s with them.

A beat cop shouldn't be dealing with that kind of situation, they have SWAT teams or SRT's (Depending where you come from.) for just that.

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