Decarb and oil infusion question

BlandMeow

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I've been reading a lot of the edibles threads on gummies. I don't have any fancy machine and the last time I made edibles, it was just dumping ground flower into the oil while making brownies 20 years ago.

Just did a dry ice sift and have 10g of sift. If I decarb, do I need to infuse into a big batch of oil or can I just take a gram of the decarb'd material and add it to the oil in a gummy recipe?

What is everyone's favorite method for decarbbing without a fancy machine?

Thanks in advance!
 
shredder4

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BlandMeow said:
I've been reading a lot of the edibles threads on gummies. I don't have any fancy machine and the last time I made edibles, it was just dumping ground flower into the oil while making brownies 20 years ago.

Just did a dry ice sift and have 10g of sift. If I decarb, do I need to infuse into a big batch of oil or can I just take a gram of the decarb'd material and add it to the oil in a gummy recipe?

What is everyone's favorite method for decarbbing without a fancy machine?

Thanks in advance!
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Your dry sift should be in the neighborhood of 500mg of thc per gram. After decarbing it'll be something like 9.5 grams. 9.5 grams at 500mg is a total thc of 4750mg.

Now that you know that it's a matter of determining the number of doses in your recipe. Lets say it's 25, and you want each dose to be 15mg. 25 doses times 15mg makes 375mg. You have 4750mg but just need 375mg. One gram is 500mg, but you want 375/500 so divide 375 by 500, and that makes .75 or 3/4 of one gram, so weigh out 3/4 gram or .75gram to make 25 doses of 15 mg each. Clear as hell, eh? lol

Decarbing in an oven is 240 degrees F for 40 minutes. Id use a small glass, like a measuring cup, or small beaker, and loosely cover it with foil to retain some terpenes.
 
BlandMeow

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shredder4 said:
Your dry sift should be in the neighborhood of 500mg of thc per gram. After decarbing it'll be something like 9.5 grams. 9.5 grams at 500mg is a total thc of 4750mg.

Now that you know that it's a matter of determining the number of doses in your recipe. Lets say it's 25, and you want each dose to be 15mg. 25 doses times 15mg makes 375mg. You have 4750mg but just need 375mg. One gram is 500mg, but you want 375/500 so divide 375 by 500, and that makes .75 or 3/4 of one gram, so weigh out 3/4 gram or .75gram to make 25 doses of 15 mg each. Clear as hell, eh? lol

Decarbing in an oven is 240 degrees F for 40 minutes. Id use a small glass, like a measuring cup, or small beaker, and loosely cover it with foil to retain some terpenes.
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Clear as mud!

If we are just in the neighborhood, let's assume that even with the 9.5 g after decarb, I still get 5000mg of THC. Using that for estimate will be helpful for sure. Thanks!
 
OldMedUser

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BlandMeow said:
I've been reading a lot of the edibles threads on gummies. I don't have any fancy machine and the last time I made edibles, it was just dumping ground flower into the oil while making brownies 20 years ago.

Just did a dry ice sift and have 10g of sift. If I decarb, do I need to infuse into a big batch of oil or can I just take a gram of the decarb'd material and add it to the oil in a gummy recipe?

What is everyone's favorite method for decarbbing without a fancy machine?

Thanks in advance!
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If the sift has to go into oil I would heat the oil to 250F than add the sift and keep the temp there until the decarb bubbles stop. I just made a 114g batch of oil and do my decarb by heating the oil to 250 until the bubbles stop. 100g of sift was used in the whole batch. Decarbing sift by itself will likely just leave a big blob. I did a solvent extraction on mine then added the resulting oil to the larger part from bud and then heated it all to decarb.

Been thinking of making some CBD gummies myself.

:peace:
 
OldMedUser

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shredder4 said:
I decarb dry sift frequently. It just darkens up, and smells slightly roasted. No blobs, rosin does, and true full melt hash, but even if it liquifies if you mix it with oil you can move it fairly easy.
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I've never tried doing a decarb on sift alone so good to know. I find decarbing after the extraction is easier for me and I'm pretty sure it preserves more terpenes and drives out the last of the solvent when heated to 250F. I can watch the bubbles come up from the decarb and turn off the heat when it slows to just a few. Very fine bubbles like champagne bubbles. When I cook up fresh frozen buds in coconut oil I'll raise the temp until the water from the buds boils off completely then crank up the heat until the decarb starts around 235. The terpenes for sure are getting trapped in the coconut oil. There is very little smell from either procedure unlike the stank you get when decarbing bud in the oven unless in a well sealed wrap or container.

Still waiting on my new 2L boiling ball to start cooking for real but may have to muddle along with the one litre rig. Was supposed to be here Nov. 25. Damn Amazon! :(

:peace:
 
BlandMeow

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I followed the instructions here:

Easy Cannabis Infused Coconut Oil | Dude Grows Show

Learn to make your own cannabis infused coconut oil the easy way with this guide by Soup from GrowersLove.com
www.dudegrows.com www.dudegrows.com

Really easy to follow. Mason jar with 10g sift into the 240 degree oven for 40 min. Then added a cup of oil to the jar and into the instant pot sous vide at 180 for 4 hours. When it was done, let it cool a little bit before pouring into a mason jar with coffee filter strainer.
 

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OldMedUser

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BlandMeow said:
I followed the instructions here:

Easy Cannabis Infused Coconut Oil | Dude Grows Show

Learn to make your own cannabis infused coconut oil the easy way with this guide by Soup from GrowersLove.com
www.dudegrows.com www.dudegrows.com

Really easy to follow. Mason jar with 10g sift into the 240 degree oven for 40 min. Then added a cup of oil to the jar and into the instant pot sous vide at 180 for 4 hours. When it was done, let it cool a little bit before pouring into a mason jar with coffee filter strainer.
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Have you tried it yet to see how much you need to take to feel the buzz?

:peace:
 
BlandMeow

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OldMedUser said:
Have you tried it yet to see how much you need to take to feel the buzz?

:peace:
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I did and it was fantastic. Took .6ml which equates to 5 mg dose and was pretty close to what I would expect. Tonight, I made a batch of gummies with the infused oil and ate the left over bowl scraping during cleanup. I'm burnt to a crisp an hour later.
 
OldMedUser

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BlandMeow said:
I did and it was fantastic. Took .6ml which equates to 5 mg dose and was pretty close to what I would expect. Tonight, I made a batch of gummies with the infused oil and ate the left over bowl scraping during cleanup. I'm burnt to a crisp an hour later.
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Most of the time I was using dried and cured pot for making my cocobudder. With 1g of pot to 10g of coconut oil 1tsp would give me a great buzz and 2 would have me baked. A nice 2:1, CBD:THC pot at that ratio would work wonders with a tsp for my arthritis and give me a nice mellow buzz that felt more like being a little tipsy on booze. Put a big grin on my face that would hurt after a while but was great for the chronic depression.

If I use bud now it's fresh frozen off the plant then added to warm oil, cooked until soft then ground up with a hand blender. I did it that way with the dry pot too and both get decarbed at the end of cooking. Easy to tell when the bubbles from decarbing stop and then cooled with sunflower lecithin added once below 100C. Drying pot loses terpenes and decarbing openly loses the majority of them so I should be preserveing most using the method I'm doing now but that's about to change.

I have lots of bud in the freezer and will be soaking that in ice cold naphtha to make oil from it then adding the oil to whatever meds I want to produce and gummies are high on the list. The oil can be used straight up as nice clean RSO, mixed with any carrier oil or used in baking etc.

I need to send in a sample of my CBD pot and see what I'm working with. If it's decently high in CBD with almost no THC like it's supposed to be then it will be my CBD source for the foreseeable future. I have one of it's cuttings now a foot tall plant I'll take cutings from then use STS to force male flowers and make a bunch of S1 fem seeds. A sample of the oil made from it needs to go in as well to see exactly what it has going on for formulating my meds at standard doses. Both THC/CBD and the terpenes test for that.

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BlandMeow

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OldMedUser said:
I meant to ask how you are determining it's a 5mg dose? Do you mean 5mg of actual THC or 5mg of oil as they are not the same.

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That decarb link I shared also has a calculator. Using that, estimated it to be around 18mg per ml. I erred on the side of caution and assumed 50% THC for the dry sift. It is unlikely to be higher than that, so if anything, the dosage will be less than estimated. Made with the wife in mind who likes lower dose edibles.
 
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shredder4

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OldMedUser said:
Most of the time I was using dried and cured pot for making my cocobudder. With 1g of pot to 10g of coconut oil 1tsp would give me a great buzz and 2 would have me baked. A nice 2:1, CBD:THC pot at that ratio would work wonders with a tsp for my arthritis and give me a nice mellow buzz that felt more like being a little tipsy on booze. Put a big grin on my face that would hurt after a while but was great for the chronic depression.

If I use bud now it's fresh frozen off the plant then added to warm oil, cooked until soft then ground up with a hand blender. I did it that way with the dry pot too and both get decarbed at the end of cooking. Easy to tell when the bubbles from decarbing stop and then cooled with sunflower lecithin added once below 100C. Drying pot loses terpenes and decarbing openly loses the majority of them so I should be preserveing most using the method I'm doing now but that's about to change.

I have lots of bud in the freezer and will be soaking that in ice cold naphtha to make oil from it then adding the oil to whatever meds I want to produce and gummies are high on the list. The oil can be used straight up as nice clean RSO, mixed with any carrier oil or used in baking etc.

I need to send in a sample of my CBD pot and see what I'm working with. If it's decently high in CBD with almost no THC like it's supposed to be then it will be my CBD source for the foreseeable future. I have one of it's cuttings now a foot tall plant I'll take cutings from then use STS to force male flowers and make a bunch of S1 fem seeds. A sample of the oil made from it needs to go in as well to see exactly what it has going on for formulating my meds at standard doses. Both THC/CBD and the terpenes test for that.

:peace:
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Naphtha ? Can you get 190 proof alcohol? Much safer. Even iso alcohol would be less dangerous, and that's not great either. There are better options. Please be carefull and research this some more.
 
OldMedUser

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shredder4 said:
Naphtha ? Can you get 190 proof alcohol? Much safer. Even iso alcohol would be less dangerous, and that's not great either. There are better options. Please be carefull and research this some more.
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I have a few gallons of ISO and can get Everclear at the local vendors but both of those are alcohols that also dissolve water soluble compounds from the pot where naphtha is a pure hydrocarbon and works similar to butane in what it picks up. Recommended but not pushed by Rick Simpson for better RSO.

Thank you for your safety concerns but I have that covered. Schooled as a chemist with a couple years working as such in a hazardous waste disposal facility handling a lot scarier things than naphtha. No more dangerous for me than the average person filling their car with gas. Big fire extinguisher at hand and advanced fire training to know what to do with it.

Both ISO and ethanol are highly flammable in concentrated forms as well so the difference is moot and if I had ethanol around I'd be tempted to sample it as I distilled it which would lead to problems. Ethanol and I have a long and sordid history so best I stay away from it. Sober since May and I like it that way. :)

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OldMedUser

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BlandMeow said:
That decarb link I shared also has a calculator. Using that, estimated it to be around 18mg per ml. I erred on the side of caution and assumed 50% THC for the dry sift. It is unlikely to be higher than that, so if anything, the dosage will be less than estimated. Made with the wife in mind who likes lower dose edibles.
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Still just a rough guesstimate tho. I've been doing that myself for ages and basically going by the effect to figure out doses. As I'm making medicines for ourselves and a few friends I'd like to get it more exact so will be getting batches of oil tested. I want the bud tested to see if the CBD levels are high enough to continue using this plant as my CBD source. I've already done a Beam's test on it and it looks like a fairly high level of CBD but that doesn't give me numbers I can work with. Each plant from even stabilized strains when grown from seed will have different levels of cannabinoids and terpenes and testing isn't free so don't want to have to test every one. Like the Kinks I'm on a low-budget. :)

I'm hoping for at least 15% CBD as the plant is said to go to over 20% with less than 1% THC.

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There are some good articles over at the ardent website. Be critical while reading though, I duno who's typing them up. But there are some good lab tests and comparisons regarding some often discussed topics surrounding decarboxylation and the like (eg: decarbing before infusing, versus after. etc.).
 
OldMedUser

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2com said:
There are some good articles over at the ardent website. Be critical while reading though, I duno who's typing them up. But there are some good lab tests and comparisons regarding some often discussed topics surrounding decarboxylation and the like (eg: decarbing before infusing, versus after. etc.).
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Link?

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@BlandMeow

BlandMeow said:
do I need to infuse into a big batch of oil or can I just take a gram of the decarb'd material and add it to the oil in a gummy recipe?
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You don't need to infuse decarboxylated cannabis into anything. You can eat it as is (if that's what you want to do). Or you can infuse the decarbed material into a suitable "carrier" (oil/fat, alcohol), and then use that in food prep/cooking. Or you could just add the decarbed cannabis directly to whatever food you want to prep/cook.

BlandMeow said:
What is everyone's favorite method for decarbbing without a fancy machine?
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Maybe you want specifics, but...
I used a small convection toaster oven. I sealed the cannabis (whatever form) in a glass container with tight fitting tinfoil, or foil with the sealing ring on top (in the case of a small mason jar). I picked up a quality remote oven probe, and rigged a way to have that probe inside of the container with cannabis. I then would choose a temp and time from the endless suggestions, based off whatever graph, or chart, set the oven and continuously check on that until it's done.

Also, I tested the oven prior to using it for this. I ran test cycles at a set temperature, with the remote probe in a container inside the oven. I checked things like how far off the set temperature the oven actually is. And it's significant, for sure (it's well off where it should be). And how much higher and/or lower does it get than the set point.

That answers the two questions I guess ;)

Now I didn't buy the toaster oven for that use. But it's a $350 cad toaster oven, and the remote thermometer was something like $35-$40 (maybe more), tax on both of those. (Yes, I know you can get a convection toaster oven for $100. And yes, I know, you can make toast/food in it, too. Before anyone points that out. Haha.).
 
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