Defoliation Test

Uncle Ben said:

My, looks like this defoliation thing might just work! Nice veggies, how much did they get stripped! I know I wouldn't want some big ass leaf covering MY squash flowers and fruit, no way!

Off topic, but the best mater I've grown in 40 years of gardening is BHN 602. Try it. Next is Big Beef. Works in central Texas anyway, should do fine in all the areas that don't have high summer night time temps.

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People in our line of hobby i think are the best gardeners in the world. We are the only ones who would ever think of doing some of the things we do with our plants so im sure theres not alot of people who say defoliatin is the way. However...if you look at tomato farms they defol to make the plant one main line straight up instead of a big ole bush. And...i had PM once before i really knew about what it was and actually on a squash plant. I had two plants on eithe side of the garden, both were ravaged by PM. One had popped a couple squash already so i didnt care but the other one had given me nothing. I was pissed at the one that had given me nothing so i researched what was killing my plants. When i found out it was PM i did what they suggested and de leafed the affected leaves. Sure enough even though i stopped caring about the two plants, the de leafed one grew all new branches and leaves and gave me some squash finaly and the other one just died. Youll probably find some way to hate on this story but whatever, its what happened

Bud Brewer said:

I got an update most everything is growing fast the two that got topped haven't grown much and have fallen behind the one with the burnt stalk looks bad but has survive a few days so I hope it recovers so I can defoliate one of them for the test.

Ok this was feb 3 just before transplant









This was the 8th





Then on the 11th I had a light fall on two plants



Still alive on the 14th but looks bad but the side braching is keeping up with the other healthy topped plant.

I'm debating to repot these two so I can bury the damaged stalk and hopefully have it take off strong what do you think?















I'll pluck leaves tonight on two the four they are very even I was waiting till they filled in the cup with roots and were growing strong so now they are ready.

I want everybody to share there experience and pictures with this method ask all the questions you like This is a learning thread.

I have done the theory debate on this site and another it never ends and it's always the same one side that has never done it debates the plant needs every leaf while those of us that have done it know you pull a leaf it gets replaced fast from new shoots making more branches and leaves than normal.

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I only breezed through the last few pages but...

Am i the only one seeing all the bug damage? Looks the the work of some mites...

I didnt see it on the earlier ones but there does apear to be somthing going on with the last couple pics. I hate those mites. De leaf pronto lol

No mite problem the one plant got the stock and leaves burnt by a light falling on it I do have to wash the leaves at least the one's that aren't coming off tonight.

Bud Brewer said:

No mite problem the one plant got the stock and leaves burnt by a light falling on it I do have to wash the leaves at least the one's that aren't coming off tonight.

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I'm not talking about that, i'm reffering to all the tiny light colored speckles on your leaves.

Here are a few examples of what spider mite damage looks like.





I could be wrong because your pics aren't the best. Post some close up pics of your leaves.

That's what I meant by washing them off that is bits of oatmeal I made a batch a while back to feed my big girls. I sprayed them with it now I have to wash it off.

Alexander Supertramp said:

Michigan State University, got my bachelors in ag science there in '77. Such a long time ago. Nice read, thanks UB...

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HAHA, now this is funny. You do realize they no longer have the same class or teach from the same books you learned from right?? I hope so lol. It's called advanced learning, not dwelling on the past!!

Anyways, look forward to your experiment A side note is if we stuck to what was taught to us 100% and never tried anything new, we'd still be in the stone-age. Peace!!

LOL LOL.
Why are you even bothering with these dudes Uncle Ben..

very interesting BB I wish you well with your experiment, my feeling was....if this is going to work then will need high lumens to compensate for the possible (sorry not a scientific term) loss of sugars from the fans,,hmmm so I did defoliate at 3 weeks flower (hard topped and lollipopped in veg..sorry UB no offence dude jus experimentin) and I will do it again cos on VK it produced what I like

fiverivers said:

LOL LOL.
Why are you even bothering with these dudes Uncle Ben..

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webee pokin' some badgers with a stik!

indikat said:

very interesting BB I wish you well with your experiment, my feeling was....if this is going to work then will need high lumens to compensate for the possible (sorry not a scientific term) loss of sugars from the fans,,hmmm so I did defoliate at 3 weeks flower (hard topped and lollipopped in veg..sorry UB no offence dude jus experimentin) and I will do it again cos on VK it produced what I like

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Recommend you study up on the concept of a plant's light saturation point. More lumens aint gonna get you nuttin' but less yield. Nice way to bleach out the chlorophyll.

UB

Uncle Ben said:

One of you butchers 3 times during veg, the other just before flower, the other while juveniles and maybe just maybe again if "they are in the way"....while denying the FACT that buds bulk up best when they have fan leaves left all the time. It's all bullshit fellas. There's no science here, only anecdotal evidence with one turbo posting, obsessive-compulsive photographer. I'd hate to see you fan leaf butchers in a chili cookoff, hah! You couldn't agree on shit........you'd all be fighting about when the best time to add the garlic cloves should be, how many, if they should be crushed or diced first, are they best with New Mexico peppers or Anchos, or both, "do we even NEED garlic in Mom's secret recipe......they'll just get in the way". It's hilarious!

Oh, and I get "undergrowth" without doing a damn thing.

UB

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First you said:

Uncle Ben said:

My, looks like this defoliation thing might just work! Nice veggies, how much did they get stripped!

I know I wouldn't want some big ass leaf covering MY squash flowers and fruit, no way!

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And now this comes out of your cakehole? What is it???

Do you enjoy screwing threads up by making double statements?

MODS...Please take note of what this guy is doing. Pull his post count, make him start over, maybe he will come back a little more responsible.

Sir.Ganga said:

First you said:



And now this comes out of your cakehole? What is it???

Do you enjoy screwing threads up by making double statements?

MODS...Please take note of what this guy is doing. Pull his post count, make him start over, maybe he will come back a little more responsible.

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guess you can't comprehend sarcasm. What a tool.

Dude, you're getting some of this defoliation stuff all wrong regarding specific results. Apples and oranges. I thought I explained the concepts of training using certain pruning techniques quite well and used examples of rose, grapes, fruit trees.

Ninjabowler said:

We are the only ones who would ever think of doing some of the things we do with our plants so im sure theres not alot of people who say defoliatin is the way.

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When it comes to cannabis forums - "a 1,000 flies on a pile of shit can't be wrong".

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However...if you look at tomato farms they defol to make the plant one main line straight up instead of a big ole bush.

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Why? Back to training, again. Where I live the tomato farms don't train or defoliate, they use cages to support their plants and get the foliage and fruit off the ground. I'm talking 50 acres of tomatoes outdoors. I am currently raising greenhouse tomatoes (Arbason and Trust) that were developed and bred in the Netherlands, and yes, greenhouse tomato growers usually TRAIN their tomatoes up a network system using clips and netting for specific reasons. Has nothing to do with production. In fact, quite the opposite, they drop half the fruit in order to produce larger, more marketable fruit. It takes so much leaf square footage to make a tomato, just like it takes 15 leaves to produce and ripen one cluster of grapes. No bullshit here, that is the industry standard - 13 -15 leaves per cluster. If you don't have that type of foliage, you drop the fruit to bring production into balance.

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And...i had PM once before i really knew about what it was and actually on a squash plant. I had two plants on eithe side of the garden, both were ravaged by PM. One had popped a couple squash already so i didnt care but the other one had given me nothing. I was pissed at the one that had given me nothing so i researched what was killing my plants. When i found out it was PM i did what they suggested and de leafed the affected leaves.

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Of course, why leave diseased leaves with PM spores in the garden? Apples and oranges again. You defoliated cause you had to, due to your lack of disease control. Next time keep them sprayed with something like captan and only water in the morn or find a strain that is resistant to mildew pressure.

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Oh....that's all. And look, don't take my rebuttal's personally. I'm not "hating" on anyone. It's the message I have a problem with.

UB

He proves himself wrong all the time I can think of many times, he just likes to argue because he has nothing better to do he has tons of experiance defoliating he did it once to half a plant and he guesses it yielded the same so that makes him an INTERNET EXPERT.

I took some leaves off last night the rest this morning the topped two are doing ok both way shorter with the same amount of branching as the others I don't think they will keep up.

I've got better branching this time but they didn't start buried in an outdoor garden.

Here's the pic,s they are all the same height and branching first pic two are missing half the leaves.



I stripped all but the top four leaves on the two




A group shot I covered the burnt stem with soil lets hope she makes it but the health topped one is still stunted from being topped so the two are still the same with no more branching then the rest after 5 days so hopefully the topped ones catch up.

I think defoliation really let me down I only got this much bud from two plants note the very small top colas at the outside the one without the ice tea bottle is bigger LOL.

This one sativa plant topped to 4 main colas kinda let me down too. Loose stuff was on a wire net drying elsewhere. Dem colas are long and fat.



Anyone need a wheelbarrow full of bud?

Come on fellers, wanna do one of those soaring sativa highs!?



Nice job BB........

Uncle Ben said:

Recommend you study up on the concept of a plant's light saturation point. More lumens aint gonna get you nuttin' but less yield. Nice way to bleach out the chlorophyll.

UB

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Thanks UB good advice, actually I use a light meter to make sure my Mutts dont get bleached, I run at cica 9000 ft c (90,000 lux) on the apical buds and have 73f enviro with 38 rh...nice of course they are topped for 4 ...thanks bro

About time you chopped that bitch down haha! Did you need a small axe???
Nice pull mayne

Sincerely420 said:

About time you chopped that bitch down haha! Did you need a small axe???
Nice pull mayne

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Just about. That poor plant went thru hell, mama nature just kicks my ass, all the time. We had a storm which split the trunk right down the middle, just above the top 2 colas. I used duct tape for a half ass mend, sprayed the wound with plant wound tar dressing so rain wouldn't pond and start a disease, and eventually put it in the ground, the pot that is. If any outdoor growers are lurking, you're wasting your time transplanting a pot plant into native soil, that includes amended native soil too.