Does a reliable feminized line even exist?

Fems are hermies..... the breeder has to weed through all the unstable to sell you the stable. most breeders are not taking the years it takes to stabilize a strain. They sell um to us and we stablize them and within a year , you are the only person left with a stable bean of that strain. Within 2 years , that strain is old news and nobody wants it.
A seed company cannot make 22 strains a month and sell them as "good beans" but that dont mean you wont find a true keeper out of the mess....

Thank you all for your input, its been very helpful thus far, i have 3 more plants to go through today, two more being HSC the one is a bag seed of some ice cream cake and its beautiful lol ill salvage what i can and move forward, im not too concerned ill get it corrected.

I've never had these problems with femmed seeds. That's all I run. I have femmed moms that are 3+ years old.
That said, I'm not a guy that has to switch and try new strains all the time. So it may just be that I lucked out with the strains I chose.

BBQtoast said:

You do know a stable strain doesn't describe Hermies and your making up stuff to satisfy your personal failures.

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Thats my only point.....

getogrow said:

Thats my only point.....

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I think ppl forget you can breed out particular traits and such whether it’s animals or plants.

The biggest issue is the breeders. A lot of them are simple pollen chuckers that don’t take time to breed properly because it takes time and effort. Then the ones that do selective breeding over and over until they get a plant with low to no morphology resist to disease and a lot of other desirable factors.

Lordhooha said:

The biggest issue is the breeders. A lot of them are simple pollen chuckers that don’t take time to breed properly because it takes time and effort. Then the ones that do selective breeding over and over until they get a plant with low to no morphology resist to disease and a lot of other desirable factors.

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The way some of these so called breeders are cranking new strains out there is no way they're doing any real breeding. I've been making fem seeds for years and have never had any hermies from any of the seeds I've made. Half a dozen friends grow out what I give them every year and none have ever had any hermies from anything they got from me either. They also don't overdose their plants with nutrients. Just old school growers using good soil and small amounts of fertilizer if any at all.

I think much of it has to do with the grower stressing the plants. Everyone immediately looks for light leaks and when they don't have any they blame the breeder. Overfeeding is a stress factor as well which many seem to overlook. With people dumping so much stuff on their plants, running insane EC levels, they're stressing their plants. All one has to do is see all the crispy fried plants overdosing on a cocktail of every product available to the grower.

As for stable lines, I have several I've created. Some I've been working with for years. I consider myself a pollen chucker but some of my chucks are stable while much of what people are getting from some of these "breeders" is not.

With so much of the stuff out there today having a lineage that includes everything but the kitchen sink it's no wonder that there are so many strains out there that are all over the map. I always get a chuckle when I read a post from someone talking about how this or that breeder is the best while at the same time talking about the half dozen or more pheno's they got from a pack of 10 seeds. Those strains are just pollen chucks.

As for the OP's question "Does a reliable feminized line even exist?", yes they do. I have vials full of feminized seeds I've made and they do not produce hermies. If someone were to grow them out and get a hermie then it would be due to grower introduced stress of some sort. But so far, myself and many other people have grown them over the course of years without one instance of any developing into hermies.

Pollen chucking has its place. So does proper breeding.
When I want a reliable grow of a strain I'm familiar with, stable genetics are wonderful. I made fem seeds of my favorite strain because I wanted to keep it around without having to rely on mothers and cloning. After many generations of pheno selection and back crossing its even more stable than it was when I got my hands on it. It is my go to.

When I have extra space or am bored and want to do a small pheno hunt pollen chucks are where its at. You can end up with a lot of crap, but there is always a chance you find that unicorn pheno.

NanoGadget said:

Pollen chucking has its place. So does proper breeding.
When I want a reliable grow of a strain I'm familiar with, stable genetics are wonderful. I made fem seeds of my favorite strain because I wanted to keep it around without having to rely on mothers and cloning. After many generations of pheno selection and back crossing its even more stable than it was when I got my hands on it. It is my go to.

When I have extra space or am bored and want to do a small pheno hunt pollen chucks are where its at. You can end up with a lot of crap, but there is always a chance you find that unicorn pheno.

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I agree. without pollen chucks , its going to take longer to find that "one".

xtsho said:

I've been making fem seeds for years and have never had any hermies from any of the seeds I've made.

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I was under the impression that making a fem seed would automatically put it at high risk of being hermie , so you would weed out the hermies and only select the fems for future breeding/growing? Am i completely wrong here in my assumption ?

getogrow said:

I was under the impression that making a fem seed would automatically put it at high risk of being hermie , so you would weed out the hermies and only select the fems for future breeding/growing? Am i completely wrong here in my assumption ?

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As far as I understand it producing the seeds is done by herming the mom using colloidal silver. It doesn't mean the seeds are Herms at all.

MidnightSun72 said:

As far as I understand it producing the seeds is done by herming the mom using colloidal silver. It doesn't mean the seeds are Herms at all.

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Yea , thats about all i know about making fems. I was always under the impression (zero experience and very little knowledge on the subject) that doing so would produce 7 beans out of 10 that would be hermie.....then you work with the other 3.

EDIT: i was under the impression that a stress induced seed would have high potential to be a herm....

getogrow said:

I was under the impression that making a fem seed would automatically put it at high risk of being hermie , so you would weed out the hermies and only select the fems for future breeding/growing? Am i completely wrong here in my assumption ?

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Using chemicals to produce feminized pollen creates pollen lacking the Y chromosome. The pollen will have only the X chromosome. So X from the reversed pollen + X from the target female = seeds with 2 X chromosomes leading to feminized seeds. There is nothing in the process that will create plants with hermaphroditic traits. Those traits if they do exist can be passed on just as they can by breeding a normal male or female plant.

many good breeders take a mom, cut clones, sumbit the clones to a battery of stressors, then weed out the shifty and weird genetics, back cross with the mom and keep going again with males. it's not terribly difficult, that's why chucks suck they are probably someone stuck with 1000s of seeds from high end strains that crossed. would be simple to take photos and start and IG account ..in a couple years and with bots you could cash out, is this immoral yes, should buyers beware , of fucking course

this is why I endorse breeders who maintain journals online and are open about their genetics and share information openly , it makes for a better experience all around when you get what you want

People who sell untested gear are Greedy for that easy money.. especially Fem lines..

Explains Herms with other growers but by end of thread it's back to breeders making unstable Herm strains or getting seeds from Herms means you have a Herm.

Plants are not just x and y, if your wondering how genetics makes a female without a male.

One other thing, reversed or straight Herm, those anthers hold exactly the same genetics, they do not have two separate seperate DNA codes for different situations.

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Explains Herms with other growers but by end of thread it's back to breeders making unstable Herm strains or getting seeds from Herms means you have a Herm.

Plants are not just x and y, if your wondering how genetics makes a female without a male.

One other thing, reversed or straight Herm, those anthers hold exactly the same genetics, they do not have two separate seperate DNA codes for different situations.

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We aren't talking about taking a genetic line with a predisposition to hermaphrodite tendencies and then selfing them. Thats just bad practice and if you sell them i think its unethical. You can self even the most stable genetic lines, and the act of doing so does not cause the offspring to have that tendency. Shit in equals shit out. So basically good breeder plus good genetics and fems are absolutely fine. Anything involving bad genetics or a bad breeder and all bets are off regardless of whether its regs fems or autos.

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We aren't talking about taking a genetic line with a predisposition to hermaphrodite tendencies and then selfing them. Thats just bad practice and if you sell them i think its unethical. You can self even the most stable genetic lines, and the act of doing so does not cause the offspring to have that tendency. Shit in equals shit out. So basically good breeder plus good genetics and fems are absolutely fine. Anything involving bad genetics or a bad breeder and all bets are off regardless of whether its regs fems or autos.

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Good breeder good genetics -

A stable strain that is what I expect when it grows, not an indica strain that throws sativa phenos which are harder to grow than indica and see me mess up and complain of Herms.

Genetic line pre disposition to Herm and selfed -

You mean every strain from the wild, everything and every genetics possible. Why do you think we have this problem, millions of evolutionary crosses were not going to undo in fifty years of trying to breed it out.

Shit breeders -

Myself, others, we chuck pollen, self, bad cross, unstabilize strains. Still not getting pollen from bad breeding or producing Hermie traits and lines. Behind the backs of some fancy bank we produce the same unseeded bud without their expert breeders.

Skill -

You can give your best Herm resistant strain worked all your life never had a nana or sac to a newbie and he will Herm it. Nothing you say makes any sense, lots of newer growbies Hermed some stable genetics only this week. This one point always stands out.

BBQtoast said:

Good breeder good genetics -

A stable strain that is what I expect when it grows, not an indica strain that throws sativa phenos which are harder to grow than indica and see me mess up and complain of Herms.

Genetic line pre disposition to Herm and selfed -

You mean every strain from the wild, everything and every genetics possible. Why do you think we have this problem, millions of evolutionary crosses were not going to undo in fifty years of trying to breed it out.

Shit breeders -

Myself, others, we chuck pollen, self, bad cross, unstabilize strains. Still not getting pollen from bad breeding or producing Hermie traits and lines. Behind the backs of some fancy bank we produce the same unseeded bud without their expert breeders.

Skill -

You can give your best Herm resistant strain worked all your life never had a nana or sac to a newbie and he will Herm it. Nothing you say makes any sense, lots of newer growbies Hermed some stable genetics only this week. This one point always stands out.

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Literally none of that has anything to do with what I was talking about. You are harping on about grower skill and pretending breeding isn't important. We get it, you have a really high opinion of your own abilities. Goody for you. I've been growing for over 25 years so I'm not someone who needs things brosplained to me. Yes, an unskilled grower can literally fuck up any plant. We know. Put shit genetics in the hands of a master grower and you still have shit genetics. All a skilled grower does is allow plant genetics to be expressed to their fullest potential. It isn't a magic power.

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Explains Herms with other growers but by end of thread it's back to breeders making unstable Herm strains or getting seeds from Herms means you have a Herm.

Plants are not just x and y, if your wondering how genetics makes a female without a male.

One other thing, reversed or straight Herm, those anthers hold exactly the same genetics, they do not have two separate seperate DNA codes for different situations.

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With regards to feminized seeds it does come down to X and Y. Female plants have XX while male plants have XY. Remove the Y from the XY which is what you have when you reverse a female to produce pollen and you have XX = female seed. There is no Y to produce males like you would have from a true XY male.

I wasn't trying to start a debate over genetics. My previous reference to X and Y was in response to a comment about the process of making feminized seeds being prone to hermaphroditism. I don't believe that to be true.