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Originally Posted by Brick Top
I guess that would depend on what you consider; "the real men" of Southern Rock. You don't get much bigger than the Allman Brothers Band, they were formed in Jacksonville Florida and later hung out in Macon Georgia.
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frmrboi said:
they're blues men, nice try.
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After reading the above again I had to laugh really hard. There's a Canuck attempting to tell a Southerner about a Southern Rock Band.


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The southern United States is a spooky place of equal parts back-woods moonshine and old Civil War mystery. From this special, almost mystical place, maybe the best type of rock and roll was born. The southern United States know the blues like no other district in the world – this comes out in simply poetic lyrics and great guitar riffs. Here’s a top 10 of the best.

1 The Allman Brothers Band


“All Night Train” is one of the all time best jam songs I’ve heard and the Allman Brothers built their foundation on playing instruments well, then getting bent on drugs and booze. And they were certainly not the most attractive group of guys but NSYNC and the Back Street Men sucked and they were gorgeous. Songs like “Going Down Slow” well showed the down side of drug and drink: “won’t somebody write my mother/and tell her the shape I’m in/ I want you to tell her to pray for me/ask her to forgive me for all my sins.” Prophetic lyrics, had Duane Allman not died there is no telling how much new ground the group would have cut. Songs like “Rambling Man” and “Midnight Rider” are anthems best listened to alone in the driver’s seat on some long highway with the music way up. Duane Allman lived hard and kicked a lot of ass. Its unbelievable he died at the age of 24.


10 Best Southern Rock Bands of All Time


2. The Allman Brothers Band

As I have with many of these bands, I am referring to the original group, which played between 1969 and 1972. Fatal road accidents to lead guitarist and co-founder, Duane Allman and then bassist Berry Oakley, forced personnel changes on the band, whether they wanted them or not.

Duane Allman may have been one of the most spectacular rock and roll guitarists ever, so his loss was no small deal. While he was around and playing, the Allman Bothers Band was a very big deal indeed.

Of the four albums the original band did put out, all are excellent, but the one you really want—and this may be one of the best rock albums of all time, regardless of region—is their third one, At Fillmore East. It is a double album that features top numbers from the first two albums, "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed" and Whipping Post.

On side two of the four sides, you have the absolute apogee of the fusion between rock and blues: the band's recording of the Willie Cobbs song, "You Don't Love Me." At over nineteen minutes, it is too long to display the complete number, so your best bet may be to buy the album, if you do not already own it. I am hard-pressed to think of a wiser investment.
 
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fletchman said:
Zep's the best, fuck the rest;)
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Extremely influenced by not only the blues but by very early very old blues. Their song "When the Levee Breaks" is their reworked version of an OLD blues song written in 1929 about the great Mississippi River flood of 1927 when levees gave way and a massive area was flooded and many died.

Yep .. the original is a blues song written and first recorded by husband and wife Kansas Joe McCoy and Memphis Minnie WAY BACK in 1929.

That, according to frmrboi's way of thinking would have to make Led Zeppelin; "blues men" and not at all rock musicians. And after all, he is a Canuck so that means he believes he knows everything about everything.
 
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I saw them play at the ice palace in Vegas in 72 and it was an amazing show for the time. I was on windowpane and still am not sure I saw what I thought I saw but they had lots of stage props and put on a fantastic show.

I forget who played with them but they were popular as well

One things for sure BOA kicked butt
 
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Brick Top said:
Extremely influenced by not only the blues but by very early very old blues. Their song "When the Levee Breaks" is their reworked version of an OLD blues song written in 1929 about the great Mississippi River flood of 1927 when levees gave way and a massive area was flooded and many died.

Yep .. the original is a blues song written and first recorded by husband and wife Kansas Joe McCoy and Memphis Minnie WAY BACK in 1929.

That, according to frmrboi's way of thinking would have to make Led Zeppelin; "blues men" and not at all rock musicians. And after all, he is a Canuck so that means he believes he knows everything about everything.
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Zeppelin had many blues tracks, they were outstanding, and very original. One of a kind.

My favorite Canadian band would be "RUSH" they put on a excellent performance. Probably the most talented 3 man band of alltime.
 
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boneheadbob said:
I saw them play at the ice palace in Vegas in 72 and it was an amazing show for the time. I was on windowpane and still am not sure I saw what I thought I saw but they had lots of stage props and put on a fantastic show.

I forget who played with them but they were popular as well

One things for sure BOA kicked butt
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If you want a bit of a Black Oak Arkansas flashback, not from the acid (four way windowpane was my FAVORITE) check out this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXMyKJxIL6E
 
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fletchman said:
You dont see Nevil denying it, and Kangativa says he see's Nevil all the time.

Case Closed, DD,Dogless,and Doc have Nevils 1986 cut.
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Like I said; "Kangativa did claim that Nevil said it was what he had given Dogless and DD ... but I would like to see that in a message from Nevil himself."

Hearsay evidence, second hand claims, are not the same as hearing it straight from the horses mouth.
 
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fletchman said:
Zeppelin had many blues tracks, they were outstanding, and very original. One of a kind.

My favorite Canadian band would be "RUSH" they put on a excellent performance. Probably the most talented 3 man band of alltime.
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Rush was very good, though to talk talent from just three guys it's hard to beat ZZ Top ... and maybe the most talented three guys were Emerson, Lake & Palmer. Their style of music was not something that stayed 'in' for long, but for sheer talent, they were/are about impossible to beat.
 
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Brick Top said:
Rush was very good, though to talk talent from just three guys it's hard to beat ZZ Top ... and maybe the most talented three guys were Emerson, Lake & Palmer. Their style of music was not something that stayed 'in' for long, but for sheer talent, they were/are about impossible to beat.
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Carl Palmer was a hack and couldnt keep time to save his life.
 
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Brick Top said:
Like I said; "Kangativa did claim that Nevil said it was what he had given Dogless and DD ... but I would like to see that in a message from Nevil himself."

Hearsay evidence, second hand claims, are not the same as hearing it straight from the horses mouth.
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Frankly Bricktop I'm a little disappointed in you and sorry to see your bias on this. It's Nevilles own board and posted by a senior member who says he sees Neville every day and Greenthumb while not as big a seed seller as Neville is non-the-less competition. Why on earth would Neville let this stand if it weren't true or if he didn't say it? What? You want Neville to show up at your house and tell you in person? By that standard, if your doctor says you have cancer, you'd say that you didn't and wanted to speak to the person who did the test. Preposterous. You're no more interested in the truth than Stonedmentalpatient and Whytefairydiddle and obviously no better either. Pity.
 
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OGMan said:
Frankly Bricktop I'm a little disappointed in you and sorry to see your bias on this. It's Nevilles own board and posted by a senior member who says he sees Neville every day and Greenthumb while not as big a seed seller as Neville is non-the-less competition. Why on earth would Neville let this stand if it weren't true or if he didn't say it? What? You want Neville to show up at your house and tell you in person? By that standard, if your doctor says you have cancer, you'd say that you didn't and wanted to speak to the person who did the test. Preposterous. You're no more interested in the truth than Stonedmentalpatient and Whytefairydiddle and obviously no better either. Pity.
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Just found out Kangativa is Neville's partner, which adds subtatially more weight to his post
 
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OGMan said:
Frankly Bricktop I'm a little disappointed in you and sorry to see your bias on this. It's Nevilles own board and posted by a senior member who says he sees Neville every day and Greenthumb while not as big a seed seller as Neville is non-the-less competition. Why on earth would Neville let this stand if it weren't true or if he didn't say it? What? You want Neville to show up at your house and tell you in person? By that standard, if your doctor says you have cancer, you'd say that you didn't and wanted to speak to the person who did the test. Preposterous. You're no more interested in the truth than Stonedmentalpatient and Whytefairydiddle and obviously no better either. Pity.
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It's not a bias, it is just a preference in wishing for unquestionable confirmation so this can all be laid to rest once and for all.

Look at it this way, if you had medical tests performed and it appeared you had some serious illness and more tests were performed would you feel better if some guy who claims to be close buddies of your Doctor and claimed to have talked to your Doctor told you that your Doctor said the test results showed you are healthy, or would you prefer to hear it directly from your Doctor himself?

Not to get all that picky and technical it is the Mr. Nice Forums and Shantibaba is the owner of Mr. Nice Seeds so I would more see the forums as being his than Nev's so I do not see where you saying it's Nev's board in any way lends credence to Kangativa's claim. Even if the board would be Nev's that would not mean Kangativa could not be fibbing or misunderstood what cut Nevil was talking about or whatever.

And no I would not expect Nevil to show up at my house and tell me in person. But he could post a message in the thread, a simple message saying yes he sold DoubleD and Ortega the true blue cuts and pictures he was shown look exactly like what he used to have and let them have.

All I am saying is if someone wants to use what Nevil said it really should come directly from Nevil and not through someone else claiming to speak for him.

If Nevil himself says it is real, I think that would be great and I would be highly tempted to give the strain a go myself. But I would prefer to hold up placing my order until Nevil himself posts a message saying it is true blue.

I do not see where that is asking or expecting or wanting too much. You of course have every right to claim otherwise, but that is were we would just see things different. You are willing to accept a claim made by someone that Nevil said something and I would prefer to read Nevil saying it himself.
 
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OGMan said:
Just found out Kangativa is Neville's partner, which adds subtatially more weight to his post
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If true that does add some weight, as in he would then likely have spoken with Nevil. But again, I would like to see it in a message directly from Nevil.

A partner now does not equate to a partner back then.

If someone wanted to know what it was like to walk on the moon would it be best to ask ask Neil Armstrong, the first man to walk on the moon, or Buzz Aldrin, the second man to walk on the moon, or Michael Collins who remained in the command module orbiting the moon while the other two landed on the moon and walked on the moon?

They were a team, they were all there, but one did not share in the experience of walking on the moon. So who would be best to get the answer directly from, one of those who walked on the moon or the guy who the others told what walking on the moon was like?

Look at the Usama bin Laden thing .. some people claim he is not dead, or at least was not killed in the recent raid. They will not believe until they see irrefutable evidence. Claims he was shot and killed and buried at sea are not enough for them no matter who the claims come from or however close their connection to the event is.

The reason I want Nevil to say it himself is so this can finally come to an end, not only here but on every other board like it where the same argument is raging. As long as information comes through some 'spokesperson' it will not be enough for some people, they will want and need more and until they get it they will not believe.

Others just want it to be real so bad that they are willing to accept the word of anyone, and in this case what Kangativa claims does seem to carry more weight, it still is not directly from the horses mouth.
 
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Brick Top said:
It's not a bias, it is just a preference in wishing for unquestionable confirmation so this can all be laid to rest once and for all.

Look at it this way, if you had medical tests performed and it appeared you had some serious illness and more tests were performed would you feel better if some guy who claims to be close buddies of your Doctor and claimed to have talked to your Doctor told you that your Doctor said the test results showed you are healthy, or would you prefer to hear it directly from your Doctor himself?

Not to get all that picky and technical it is the Mr. Nice Forums and Shantibaba is the owner of Mr. Nice Seeds so I would more see the forums as being his than Nev's so I do not see where you saying it's Nev's board in any way lends credence to Kangativa's claim. Even if the board would be Nev's that would not mean Kangativa could not be fibbing or misunderstood what cut Nevil was talking about or whatever.

And no I would not expect Nevil to show up at my house and tell me in person. But he could post a message in the thread, a simple message saying yes he sold DoubleD and Ortega the true blue cuts and pictures he was shown look exactly like what he used to have and let them have.

All I am saying is if someone wants to use what Nevil said it really should come directly from Nevil and not through someone else claiming to speak for him.

If Nevil himself says it is real, I think that would be great and I would be highly tempted to give the strain a go myself. But I would prefer to hold up placing my order until Nevil himself posts a message saying it is true blue.

I do not see where that is asking or expecting or wanting too much. You of course have every right to claim otherwise, but that is were we would just see things different. You are willing to accept a claim made by someone that Nevil said something and I would prefer to read Nevil saying it himself.
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It would be cool if Nevil would post and give closure to this topic, but who knows if he ever will.

Im just hopeing the "G13" I have, is potent and patients like it. If it is, I'll keep it in my garden, if not, I wont grow it again. We will see.
 
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Dr Gruber said:
Carl Palmer was a hack and couldnt keep time to save his life.
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Then they must have had someone sitting in for him for every studio recording and for the concerts I saw them in, including one at Soldiers Field in Chicago when there were 70,000 people there to see them because whoever was playing was damn good in each case. It appears that I am not the only one in disagreement with you about Carl Palmer's abilities.



[FONT=verdana,arial] 1. Neil Peart (Rush)
2. John Bonham* (Led Zeppelin)
3. Keith Moon* (The Who)
4. Carl Palmer (ELP)
5. Ginger Baker (Cream)
6. Terry Bozzio (Frank Zappa)
7. Bill Bruford (Yes, King Crimson)
8. Hal Blaine (Session man)
9. Ian Paice (Deep Purple)
10. Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater)
11. Dave Lombardo (Slayer)
12. Danny Carey (Tool)
13. Ringo Starr (The Beatles)
14. Carmine Appice (Vanilla Fudge)
15. Earl Palmer (Session man)
16. Benny Benjamin* (Funk Brothers)
17. Jeff Porcaro* (Toto)
18. Stewart Copeland (The Police)
19. Tommy Aldridge (Ozzy Osbourne)
20. Bernard Purdie (Session)
21. Bill Ward (Black Sabbath)
22. Steve Smith (Journey)
23. Mitch Mitchell (Jimi Hendrix)
24. David Garabaldi (Tower Of Power)
25. Mike Shrieve (Santana)
26. Ainsley Dunbar (Jeff Beck)
27. Cozy Powell* (Rainbow)
28. Nicko McBrain (Iron Maiden)
29. Carter Beauford (Dave Matthews)
30. Tim Alexander (Primus)
31. Roger Taylor (Queen)
32. Matt Cameron (Soundgarden)
33. Zigaboo Modeliste (The Meters)
34. Phil Collins (Genesis)
35. Al Jackson* (The MGs)
36. Vinnie Paul (Pantera)
37. Topper Headon (The Clash)
38. Lars Ulrich (Metallica)
39. Jimmy Chamberlain (Smashing Pumpkins)
40. Bobby Jarzombeck (Rob Halford, Iced Earth)
41. Rod Morgenstein (Dixie Dregs, Winger)
42. Gene Holgan (Death, Strapping Young Lad)
43. Martin Lopez (Opeth)
44. Simon Phillips (Toto)
45. Mike Giles (King Crimson, Giles, Giles & Fripp )
46. Max Weinberg (Springsteen)
47. Alex Van Halen (Van Halen)
48. Jon Theodore (Mars Volta, One Day As A Lion)
49. Brian Downey (Thin Lizzy)
50. Gavin Harrison (Porcupine Tree, session man)[/FONT]

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_drummers.html



3. Carl Palmer

Born - 03/1950 | Nationality - British |
Group - Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Asia, Atomic Rooster
Wow. The chops delivered by Carl are something to behold! He inspired countless drummers, including Neil Peart, with his magnificent stadium-filling rock and showmanship. He also used his classical training in tuned percussion to great effect. He defines the word spectacle, and is one of the best rock drummers to come from Britain.
http://www.totaldrumsets.com/best-rock-drummers-2.html


100 Greatest Rock Drummers

1. Neil Peart (Rush)
2. Keith Moon (Who)
3. Ginger Baker (Cream)
4. John Bonham (Led Zeppelin)
5. Terry Bozzio (Zappa, Jeff Beck)
6. Carl Palmer (ELP)
7. Bill Bruford (Yes, King Crimson)
8. Danny Carey (Tool)
9. Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater)
10. Ian Paice (Deep Purple)
11. Vinnie Colaiuta (Sting, Frank Zappa)
12. Stewart Copeland (Police)
13. Dave Lombardo (Slayer)
14. Steve Gadd (Steely Dan)
15. Tim Alexander (Primus)
16. Carter Beauford (Dave Matthews Band)
17. Simon Phillips (Toto, Jeff Beck)
18. Rod Morgenstein (Dixie Dregs, Winger)
19. Matt Cameron (Soundgarden)
20. Chad Wackerman (Zappa)
21. Mitch Mitchell (Jimi Hendrix Experience)
22. Virgil Donati (Planet X)
23. Ansley Dunbar (Jeff Beck, Whitesnake)
24. David Garibaldi (Tower Of Power)
25. Vinnie Paul (Pantera)
26. Alex Van Halen (Van Halen)
27. Mike Shrieve (Santana)
28. Phil Collins (Genesis)
29. Steve Smith (Journey)
30. Josh Freese (A Perfect Circle)
31. Max Weinberg (E Street Band)
32. Alan White (Yes)
33. Bill Ward (Black Sabbath)
34. Joey Jordison (Slipknot)
35. Tommy Aldridge (Whitesnake)
36. Carmine Appice (Beck, Bogart, Appice)
37. Stanton Moore (Galactic)
38. Hal Blaine (Elvis Presley, Beach Boys)
39. Nicko McBrain (Iron Maiden)
40. Scott Rockenfield (Queensryche)
41. Cozy Powell (Rainbow)
42. Morgan Agren (Frank Zappa)
43. Chester Thompson (Santana)
44. Jeff Porcaro (Toto)
45. Dean Castronovo (Journey)
46. Nick Mason (Pink Floyd)
47. Greg Bissonette (David Lee Roth, Satriani)
48. Ralph Humphrey (Mothers Of Invention)
49. Jimmy Chamberlain (Smashing Pumpkins)
50. Mike Bordin (Faith No More)
51. Jon Theodore (Mars Volta)
52. Mike Giles (King Crimson)
53. Ringo Starr (Beatles)
54. Zak Starkey (The Who)
55. Jeff Campitelli (Satriani)
56. Phil Ehart (Kansas)
57. Brian Mantia (Primus)
58. Kenny Aronoff (John Mellencamp)
59. Charlie Watts (Rolling Stones)
60. Lars Ulrich (Metallica)
61. Clive Bunker (Jethro Tull)
62. Mike Sus (Possessed)
63. Jason Rullo (Symphony X)
64. Dave Grohl (Scream, Nirvana)
65. Pat Mastelotto (King Crimson)
66. Ray Herrera (Fear Factory)
67. Scott Travis (Judas Priest)
68. Brann Dailor (Mastodon)
69. Roger Taylor (Queen)
70. Jose Pasillas (Incubus)
71. Earl Palmer (session man)
72. Gene Holgan (Death)
73. Joey Kramer (Aerosmith)
74. Danny Seraphine (Chicago)
75. Matt McDonough (Mudvayne)
76. BJ Wilson (Procol Harum)
77. Brian Downey (Thin Lizzy)
78. Igor Cavalera (Sepultura)
79. Jim Gordon (Derek & the Dominos)
80. Travis Barker (Blink 182)
81. Matt Sorum (The Cult, GNR)
82. Nicholas Barker (Dimmu Borgir)
83. Jim Keltner (Elvis Costello)
84. Chad Smith (RHCP)
85. John Densmore (The Doors)
86. Brad Wilk (Rage Against The Machine)
87. Mike Mangini (Extreme, Steve Vai)
88. Jack Irons (RHCP, Pearl Jam)
89. John Dolmayan (System of a Down)
90. Mark Zonder (Fate's Warning)
91. Gary Husband (Level 42)
92. Al Jackson (MG's)
93. Paul Bostaph (Slayer)
94. Taylor Hawkins (Foo Fighters)
95. Dino Danelli (Rascals)
96. Jerry Gaskill (King's X)
97. Dave Abbruzzese (Pearl Jam)
98. Van Romaine (Steve Morse Band)
99. Sean Kinney (Alice in Chains)
100. Gavin Harrison (Porcupine Tree)

http://www.drumsetconnect.com/drum-forum/drummer-shrine/289-100-greatest-rock-drummers.html
100 Greatest Rock Drummers of All Time

Posted by Boo at 8:13 AM . Wednesday, June 27, 2007

Labels: Music Criteria: - Drummers are ranked for their influence, innovation, originality, and technical ability.

1. Neil Peart (Rush)
2. John Bonham* (Led Zeppelin)
3. Carl Palmer (ELP)
4. Keith Moon* (The Who)
5. Terry Bozzio (Frank Zappa)
6. Ginger Baker (Cream)
7. Hal Blaine (Session man)
8. Danny Carey (Tool)
9. Bill Bruford (Yes, King Crimson)
10. Earl Palmer (Session man)
11. Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater)
12. Dave Lombardo (Slayer)
13. Benny Benjamin* (Funk Brothers)
14. Ian Paice (Deep Purple)
15. Carmine Appice (Vanilla Fudge)
16. Tommy Aldridge (Ozzy Osbourne)
17. Stewart Copeland (The Police)
18. Bernard Purdie (Session)
19. Vinnie Colaiuta (Zappa)
20. Jeff Porcaro* (Toto)
21. Bill Ward (Black Sabbath)
22. David Garabaldi (Tower Of Power)
23. Ainsley Dunbar (Jeff Beck)
24. Nicko McBrain (Iron Maiden) 2
5. Mike Shrieve (Santana)
26. Mitch Mitchell (Jimi Hendrix)
27. Steve Smith (Journey)
28. Al Jackson* (The MGs)
29. Matt Cameron (Soundgarden)
30. Tim Alexander (Primus)
31. Jim Keltner (Session man)
32. Phil Collins (Genesis)
33. Cozy Powell* (Rainbow)
34. Simon Phillips (Toto)
35. Russ Kunkel (Session man)
36. Bobby Jarzombeck (Rob Halford)
37. Carter Beauford (Dave Matthews)
38. Zigaboo Modeliste (The Meters)
39. Jimmy Chamberlain (Smashing Pumpkins)
40. Vinnie Paul (Pantera)
41. Kenny Aronoff (Session man)
42. Alan White (Yes)
43. Mike Giles (King Crimson)
44. Rod Morgenstein (Dixie Dregs)
45. Clive Bunker (Jethro Tull)
46. Mike Mangini (Extreme)
47. Ringo Starr (The Beatles)
48. Roger Hawkins (Arethra Franklin/Session Man)
49. Bobby Elliot (The Hollies)
50. Alex Van Halen (Van Halen)
51. B.J. Wilson(Procul Harem)
52. Joe Franco (Good Rats)
53. Charlie Watts (Rolling Stones)
54. Virgil Donati (Planet X)
55. Roger Taylor (Queen)
56. Chad Wackerman (Zappa)
57. Topper Headon (The Clash)
58. Nick Barker (Dimmu Borgir)
59. Mick Fleetwood (Fleetwood Mac)
60. Danny Seraphine (Chicago)
61. Gene Holgan (Death)
62. John Densmore (The Doors)
63. Max Weinberg (Springsteen)
64. Jabo Starks (James Brown)
65. Lars Ulrich (Metallica)
66. Jerry Allison (Crickets)
67. Phil Ehart (Kansas)
68. Chester Thompson (Santana)
69. Matt McDonoughe (Mudvayne)
70. Dean Castronovo (Journey)
71. Jon Theodore (Mars Volta)
72. Van Romaine (Steve Morse)
73. Ralph Humphrey (Mothers Of Invention)
74. Les Lester (Los Straightjackets)
75. Brian Downey (Thin Lizzy)
76. Brann Dailor (Mastodon)
77. Dick Richards (The Comets)
78. Josh Freese (A Perfect Circle)
79. Stanton Moore (Galactic)
80. Joey Jordison (Slipknot)
81. Ron Wilson (Surfaris)
82. Jack Irons (Pearl Jam)
83. Jim Gordon (Derek And The Dominoes)
84. Nick Mason (Pink Floyd)
85. Eddie Bayers (Session man)
86. Jeff Campitelli (Joe Satriani)
87. Dave Grohl (Nirvana)
88. Bobby Rondinelli (Rainbow)
89. Chris Frantz (Talking Heads)
90. Mike Bordin (Faith No More)
91. Taylor Hawkins (Foo Fighters)
92. Lee Kerslake (Uriah Heep)
93. Phil Selway (Radiohead)
94. Vinnie Appice (Black Sabbath, Dio)
95. Scott Rockenfield (Queensryche)
96. Chad Smith (Red Hot Chilli Peppers)
97. Nick Menza (Megadeth)
98. John Dalmayan (System Of A Down)
99. Travis Barker (Blink 182)
100. Ralph Salmins (Session man)

http://rabbitramblings.blogspot.com/2007/06/100-greatest-rock-drummers-of-all-time.html
 
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Brick Top said:
It's not a bias, it is just a preference in wishing for unquestionable confirmation so this can all be laid to rest once and for all.

Does anyone have an account at Mr Nice?
In the post he clearly says that Nevile will answer PM's on this subject. If you are a member you could find out if you really wanted to. And really, doesnt that give it all the more credence that the guy is telling people to Pm Nevile? If he was lying it would be found out real quick.

I wish the "unquestionable confirmation" was the standard this thread was started with....a lot of you guys went off with old info and treated it as new fact and did it with a lot of venom. Are you guys willing to admit you are wrong with just as much passion now that it looks like Nevile is confirming it? It's going to take a lot of explaining to get past the fact Nevile is talking through his partner if you plan on blowing it off.

Dont ask me how i knew this but i just had a feeling that Nevile was going to come out and confirm docs G13 and thats why my opinion on this matter has always been "i dont know" if its real or not. I will wait for REAL evidence. Maybe its just me but i think thats the way you guys should have played it...because in the long run, if Docs g13 is real, you all look really bad.
Again, maybe its just me but i sense some backing off and back tracking coming up.

Can you smell it? Thats the smell of your foot getting ready to go in your mouth.

I say this tounge in cheek and to be honest, i have no hard feelings towards any of you. Im going to look at this as we all just let our passions get away from us, Stone metal, Baja, Bricktop, were in my mind trying to help people out, maybe not in the most effective way, but most of us on this thread lost our heads at some point, so if they come clean when this is over, then no harm done as far as Im concerned.
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Brick Top said:
Then they must have had someone sitting in for him for every studio recording and for the concerts I saw them in, including one at Soldiers Field in Chicago when there were 70,000 people there to see them because whoever was playing was damn good in each case. It appears that I am not the only one in disagreement with you about Carl Palmer's abilities.



[FONT=verdana,arial]1. Neil Peart (Rush)[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]2. John Bonham* (Led Zeppelin) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]3. Keith Moon* (The Who) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]4. Carl Palmer (ELP) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]5. Ginger Baker (Cream) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]6. Terry Bozzio (Frank Zappa) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]7. Bill Bruford (Yes, King Crimson) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]8. Hal Blaine (Session man) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]9. Ian Paice (Deep Purple) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]10. Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]11. Dave Lombardo (Slayer) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]12. Danny Carey (Tool) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]13. Ringo Starr (The Beatles) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]14. Carmine Appice (Vanilla Fudge) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]15. Earl Palmer (Session man) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]16. Benny Benjamin* (Funk Brothers) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]17. Jeff Porcaro* (Toto) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]18. Stewart Copeland (The Police) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]19. Tommy Aldridge (Ozzy Osbourne) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]20. Bernard Purdie (Session) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]21. Bill Ward (Black Sabbath) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]22. Steve Smith (Journey) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]23. Mitch Mitchell (Jimi Hendrix) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]24. David Garabaldi (Tower Of Power) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]25. Mike Shrieve (Santana) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]26. Ainsley Dunbar (Jeff Beck) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]27. Cozy Powell* (Rainbow) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]28. Nicko McBrain (Iron Maiden) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]29. Carter Beauford (Dave Matthews) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]30. Tim Alexander (Primus) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]31. Roger Taylor (Queen) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]32. Matt Cameron (Soundgarden) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]33. Zigaboo Modeliste (The Meters) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]34. Phil Collins (Genesis) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]35. Al Jackson* (The MGs) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]36. Vinnie Paul (Pantera) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]37. Topper Headon (The Clash) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]38. Lars Ulrich (Metallica) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]39. Jimmy Chamberlain (Smashing Pumpkins) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]40. Bobby Jarzombeck (Rob Halford, Iced Earth) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]41. Rod Morgenstein (Dixie Dregs, Winger) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]42. Gene Holgan (Death, Strapping Young Lad) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]43. Martin Lopez (Opeth)[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]44. Simon Phillips (Toto) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]45. Mike Giles (King Crimson, Giles, Giles & Fripp ) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]46. Max Weinberg (Springsteen) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]47. Alex Van Halen (Van Halen) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]48. Jon Theodore (Mars Volta, One Day As A Lion) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]49. Brian Downey (Thin Lizzy) [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial]50. Gavin Harrison (Porcupine Tree, session man)[/FONT]

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_drummers.html



3. Carl Palmer

Born - 03/1950 | Nationality - British |
Group - Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Asia, Atomic Rooster
Wow. The chops delivered by Carl are something to behold! He inspired countless drummers, including Neil Peart, with his magnificent stadium-filling rock and showmanship. He also used his classical training in tuned percussion to great effect. He defines the word spectacle, and is one of the best rock drummers to come from Britain.
http://www.totaldrumsets.com/best-rock-drummers-2.html


100 Greatest Rock Drummers

1. Neil Peart (Rush)
2. Keith Moon (Who)
3. Ginger Baker (Cream)
4. John Bonham (Led Zeppelin)
5. Terry Bozzio (Zappa, Jeff Beck)
6. Carl Palmer (ELP)
7. Bill Bruford (Yes, King Crimson)
8. Danny Carey (Tool)
9. Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater)
10. Ian Paice (Deep Purple)
11. Vinnie Colaiuta (Sting, Frank Zappa)
12. Stewart Copeland (Police)
13. Dave Lombardo (Slayer)
14. Steve Gadd (Steely Dan)
15. Tim Alexander (Primus)
16. Carter Beauford (Dave Matthews Band)
17. Simon Phillips (Toto, Jeff Beck)
18. Rod Morgenstein (Dixie Dregs, Winger)
19. Matt Cameron (Soundgarden)
20. Chad Wackerman (Zappa)
21. Mitch Mitchell (Jimi Hendrix Experience)
22. Virgil Donati (Planet X)
23. Ansley Dunbar (Jeff Beck, Whitesnake)
24. David Garibaldi (Tower Of Power)
25. Vinnie Paul (Pantera)
26. Alex Van Halen (Van Halen)
27. Mike Shrieve (Santana)
28. Phil Collins (Genesis)
29. Steve Smith (Journey)
30. Josh Freese (A Perfect Circle)
31. Max Weinberg (E Street Band)
32. Alan White (Yes)
33. Bill Ward (Black Sabbath)
34. Joey Jordison (Slipknot)
35. Tommy Aldridge (Whitesnake)
36. Carmine Appice (Beck, Bogart, Appice)
37. Stanton Moore (Galactic)
38. Hal Blaine (Elvis Presley, Beach Boys)
39. Nicko McBrain (Iron Maiden)
40. Scott Rockenfield (Queensryche)
41. Cozy Powell (Rainbow)
42. Morgan Agren (Frank Zappa)
43. Chester Thompson (Santana)
44. Jeff Porcaro (Toto)
45. Dean Castronovo (Journey)
46. Nick Mason (Pink Floyd)
47. Greg Bissonette (David Lee Roth, Satriani)
48. Ralph Humphrey (Mothers Of Invention)
49. Jimmy Chamberlain (Smashing Pumpkins)
50. Mike Bordin (Faith No More)
51. Jon Theodore (Mars Volta)
52. Mike Giles (King Crimson)
53. Ringo Starr (Beatles)
54. Zak Starkey (The Who)
55. Jeff Campitelli (Satriani)
56. Phil Ehart (Kansas)
57. Brian Mantia (Primus)
58. Kenny Aronoff (John Mellencamp)
59. Charlie Watts (Rolling Stones)
60. Lars Ulrich (Metallica)
61. Clive Bunker (Jethro Tull)
62. Mike Sus (Possessed)
63. Jason Rullo (Symphony X)
64. Dave Grohl (Scream, Nirvana)
65. Pat Mastelotto (King Crimson)
66. Ray Herrera (Fear Factory)
67. Scott Travis (Judas Priest)
68. Brann Dailor (Mastodon)
69. Roger Taylor (Queen)
70. Jose Pasillas (Incubus)
71. Earl Palmer (session man)
72. Gene Holgan (Death)
73. Joey Kramer (Aerosmith)
74. Danny Seraphine (Chicago)
75. Matt McDonough (Mudvayne)
76. BJ Wilson (Procol Harum)
77. Brian Downey (Thin Lizzy)
78. Igor Cavalera (Sepultura)
79. Jim Gordon (Derek & the Dominos)
80. Travis Barker (Blink 182)
81. Matt Sorum (The Cult, GNR)
82. Nicholas Barker (Dimmu Borgir)
83. Jim Keltner (Elvis Costello)
84. Chad Smith (RHCP)
85. John Densmore (The Doors)
86. Brad Wilk (Rage Against The Machine)
87. Mike Mangini (Extreme, Steve Vai)
88. Jack Irons (RHCP, Pearl Jam)
89. John Dolmayan (System of a Down)
90. Mark Zonder (Fate's Warning)
91. Gary Husband (Level 42)
92. Al Jackson (MG's)
93. Paul Bostaph (Slayer)
94. Taylor Hawkins (Foo Fighters)
95. Dino Danelli (Rascals)
96. Jerry Gaskill (King's X)
97. Dave Abbruzzese (Pearl Jam)
98. Van Romaine (Steve Morse Band)
99. Sean Kinney (Alice in Chains)
100. Gavin Harrison (Porcupine Tree)

http://www.drumsetconnect.com/drum-forum/drummer-shrine/289-100-greatest-rock-drummers.html
100 Greatest Rock Drummers of All Time

Posted by Boo at 8:13 AM . Wednesday, June 27, 2007

Labels: Music Criteria: - Drummers are ranked for their influence, innovation, originality, and technical ability.

1. Neil Peart (Rush)
2. John Bonham* (Led Zeppelin)
3. Carl Palmer (ELP)
4. Keith Moon* (The Who)
5. Terry Bozzio (Frank Zappa)
6. Ginger Baker (Cream)
7. Hal Blaine (Session man)
8. Danny Carey (Tool)
9. Bill Bruford (Yes, King Crimson)
10. Earl Palmer (Session man)
11. Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater)
12. Dave Lombardo (Slayer)
13. Benny Benjamin* (Funk Brothers)
14. Ian Paice (Deep Purple)
15. Carmine Appice (Vanilla Fudge)
16. Tommy Aldridge (Ozzy Osbourne)
17. Stewart Copeland (The Police)
18. Bernard Purdie (Session)
19. Vinnie Colaiuta (Zappa)
20. Jeff Porcaro* (Toto)
21. Bill Ward (Black Sabbath)
22. David Garabaldi (Tower Of Power)
23. Ainsley Dunbar (Jeff Beck)
24. Nicko McBrain (Iron Maiden) 2
5. Mike Shrieve (Santana)
26. Mitch Mitchell (Jimi Hendrix)
27. Steve Smith (Journey)
28. Al Jackson* (The MGs)
29. Matt Cameron (Soundgarden)
30. Tim Alexander (Primus)
31. Jim Keltner (Session man)
32. Phil Collins (Genesis)
33. Cozy Powell* (Rainbow)
34. Simon Phillips (Toto)
35. Russ Kunkel (Session man)
36. Bobby Jarzombeck (Rob Halford)
37. Carter Beauford (Dave Matthews)
38. Zigaboo Modeliste (The Meters)
39. Jimmy Chamberlain (Smashing Pumpkins)
40. Vinnie Paul (Pantera)
41. Kenny Aronoff (Session man)
42. Alan White (Yes)
43. Mike Giles (King Crimson)
44. Rod Morgenstein (Dixie Dregs)
45. Clive Bunker (Jethro Tull)
46. Mike Mangini (Extreme)
47. Ringo Starr (The Beatles)
48. Roger Hawkins (Arethra Franklin/Session Man)
49. Bobby Elliot (The Hollies)
50. Alex Van Halen (Van Halen)
51. B.J. Wilson(Procul Harem)
52. Joe Franco (Good Rats)
53. Charlie Watts (Rolling Stones)
54. Virgil Donati (Planet X)
55. Roger Taylor (Queen)
56. Chad Wackerman (Zappa)
57. Topper Headon (The Clash)
58. Nick Barker (Dimmu Borgir)
59. Mick Fleetwood (Fleetwood Mac)
60. Danny Seraphine (Chicago)
61. Gene Holgan (Death)
62. John Densmore (The Doors)
63. Max Weinberg (Springsteen)
64. Jabo Starks (James Brown)
65. Lars Ulrich (Metallica)
66. Jerry Allison (Crickets)
67. Phil Ehart (Kansas)
68. Chester Thompson (Santana)
69. Matt McDonoughe (Mudvayne)
70. Dean Castronovo (Journey)
71. Jon Theodore (Mars Volta)
72. Van Romaine (Steve Morse)
73. Ralph Humphrey (Mothers Of Invention)
74. Les Lester (Los Straightjackets)
75. Brian Downey (Thin Lizzy)
76. Brann Dailor (Mastodon)
77. Dick Richards (The Comets)
78. Josh Freese (A Perfect Circle)
79. Stanton Moore (Galactic)
80. Joey Jordison (Slipknot)
81. Ron Wilson (Surfaris)
82. Jack Irons (Pearl Jam)
83. Jim Gordon (Derek And The Dominoes)
84. Nick Mason (Pink Floyd)
85. Eddie Bayers (Session man)
86. Jeff Campitelli (Joe Satriani)
87. Dave Grohl (Nirvana)
88. Bobby Rondinelli (Rainbow)
89. Chris Frantz (Talking Heads)
90. Mike Bordin (Faith No More)
91. Taylor Hawkins (Foo Fighters)
92. Lee Kerslake (Uriah Heep)
93. Phil Selway (Radiohead)
94. Vinnie Appice (Black Sabbath, Dio)
95. Scott Rockenfield (Queensryche)
96. Chad Smith (Red Hot Chilli Peppers)
97. Nick Menza (Megadeth)
98. John Dalmayan (System Of A Down)
99. Travis Barker (Blink 182)
100. Ralph Salmins (Session man)

http://rabbitramblings.blogspot.com/2007/06/100-greatest-rock-drummers-of-all-time.html
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Well,
Ive been a professional musician for almost 30 years and i have ears and hear Carl is all out of sorts when trying to keep time. Ask any high level pro musician and they will tell you about carls troubles...but if thats not good enough for you I give you a quote from Ian Andersen of Jethro Tull....."Carl has a problem with the old metronome".
And another Ian quote when listening to Asia album that had just come out at the time....." I dont know how they can play with that guy, his time is all over the place.


Or if thats not good enough for you go out and buy a metronome and count it for yourself...or if you have any musical talent just listen to Lucky Man... he is all over the place and his live stuff is appalling. As a very young musician i noticed his problem because it stands out like a sore thumb and after 33 years of study, its all the more obvious. I will say his is flashy, has chops and is fast, but he's not a stellar drummer by any means if he cant keep time, because thats a drummers job first and foremost.

Sorry, but lists dont mean a thing to me.
 
C

chongsbuddy

New Member
great list,but how could you not put tommy lee on that list and the drummer from tool,that guy is ahead of his time in his profession,he has a real way of putting off beats that actually work very well.
 
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