Dropa Dope My First Grow Journal 400 Watt RDWC 02/17/2010

Dropastone

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Hey LedZep I went to check out your thread and it seems that I'm already subscribed. Your plants seem to be coming along nicely. I'll try to comment a little more in the future. Right now I just like to do a lot of looking and reading because I don't have enough experience or the know how to be commenting or suggesting things on other peoples threads.

Keep up the good work.

Peace.
 

dmoose

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Man this has all been great advise. I think I'm gonna stew on it while I'm waiting on my chiller to arrive because I'm probably gonna have to break down my hydro setup to install the chiller. At that point I can make those alterations to my grow room.

I have been thinking about cutting a hole in the top of the res to pull the water out an then hooking the return hose back to the drip hub, that way I can just get rid of the drip pump all together and still have an efficient recirculating system.

I may have a problem with one of my plants as well, there are some brown spots on it. I really I don't understand this because the other 3 plants are just fine.

Tomorrow they will be two weeks old and I'll post some picks.

Thanks for all the great suggestions

Peace.

With 8' height to play with, you could easily raise the shelf by nailing 2 side boards, then your intakes would be under the shelf, covering them with some dark screen should be fine, and it will act as a filter as well. Your set-up is so clean, it looks Pro!

:weed: Good Luck!
 

Dropastone

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With 8' height to play with, you could easily raise the shelf by nailing 2 side boards, then your intakes would be under the shelf, covering them with some dark screen should be fine, and it will act as a filter as well. Your set-up is so clean, it looks Pro!

:weed: Good Luck!
:idea:Man your just coming up with a lot of good idea's. I could raise the shelf about 12" to 18" then I could use the extra space to stash my chiller and some supplies or what not. Then I could put a furnace filter over the intake. to block light and filter the air coming in.

Do you think a 3" hole would be enough of an intake for 2 160 cfm blowers exhausting? I've already cut a hole in my door and I'm prepared to cut a cpl more if I have to. As long as I save my cutouts it can be repaired and I'm good at stuff like that.

Dam It's like I'm starting from scratch all over again.:roll: But it will all be worth it in the end.
 

LEDZEP

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What's up LedZep I'm glad to have you aboard too and I'll be sure to check out your Thread. What kind and size pump do you use for yours? I'm just gonna go with an 80 gph pump but I'm gonna have to wait till next week to get mine and I'll probably get it locally. I think I should be able to find one at Lowes or Home depot or something. What do you think?
80 GPH will work just fine, Ihave an adjustable 160 GPH max pump, and I have it on the slowest setting. I would just go to the pet store, if they have 1/2 tubbing that will work too for the in and out lines for the chiller, the chiller comes with hose clamps so don't worry about that all you need in tubing and the pump. I had to go to home depot fo the tubing and I already had the pump, what about the pump your system came with? Thanks for the rep, much appreciated, let me know if yo have any more thought on the chiller,
Peace

Here is the exact pump...Click
 

dmoose

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:idea:Man your just coming up with a lot of good idea's. I could raise the shelf about 12" to 18" then I could use the extra space to stash my chiller and some supplies or what not. Then I could put a furnace filter over the intake. to block light and filter the air coming in.

Do you think a 3" hole would be enough of an intake for 2 160 cfm blowers exhausting? I've already cut a hole in my door and I'm prepared to cut a cpl more if I have to. As long as I save my cutouts it can be repaired and I'm good at stuff like that.

Dam It's like I'm starting from scratch all over again.:roll: But it will all be worth it in the end.
No, you need twice the size in as being pulled out when passive. Thats why I recommended taking off the weather stripping on the bottom of the door. Once you raise the shelf, it will be a non-factor as far as light. :hump:
 

Dropastone

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80 GPH will work just fine, Ihave an adjustable 160 GPH max pump, and I have it on the slowest setting. I would just go to the pet store, if they have 1/2 tubbing that will work too for the in and out lines for the chiller, the chiller comes with hose clamps so don't worry about that all you need in tubing and the pump. I had to go to home depot fo the tubing and I already had the pump, what about the pump your system came with? Thanks for the rep, much appreciated, let me know if yo have any more thought on the chiller,
Peace

Here is the exact pump...Click
That's what I was just talking about with some help from a friend. I've got a 66 GPH pump but the chiller calls for an 80 -160 GPH pump. My friend thinks the 66 will be just fine considering that I'm working with a smaller res. What do you think.
 

LEDZEP

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That's what I was just talking about with some help from a friend. I've got a 66 GPH pump but the chiller calls for an 80 -160 GPH pump. My friend thinks the 66 will be just fine considering that I'm working with a smaller res. What do you think.
I think it will work, it might run longer to cool it but like you said, small res, so it should be just fine. Mine flows pretty slow with the adjustment I have it on. I say go for it, save $15 or so.
 

dmoose

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Best thing to do is test it out when you get it, the pump just needs to be able to pump from lowest point to highest point in loop. If it dont work, then go buy a bigger one.

Okay, Now everyone light up on 3....2....1....
 

Dropastone

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Okay so I got up this morning room temp at plant level around 85*, pH 6.1 and ppm 180. I plan on implementing a few changes when the chiller gets here. For now I've removed the weather strip from the bottom of the door to increase airflow. I plan on moving the ballast in the attic. Painting the buckets white. Mounting the 16" fan on the inside of the door blowing between the canopy and the light. If it works and doesn't get in the way I can move the fan up the door as the plants progress. I'm still kinda on the fence about raising the shelf and moving my intake up to the ceiling. I'm gonna think about that a little longer.

Okay now it's time for show and tell.


Plant # 1





Working on a good close up.



Plant # 2

Okay this one has a little burn on the bottom two leaves but that's the one that had a hard time breaking out of it's shell. So that's most defiantly the cause.





Here's a good pic of that leaf.





Plant # 3

Okay here is the plant that seems to have some burns on it. I don't know if the light is down to far or if it's nute burn. I do know that my other 3 are not affected and I'm a little stumped so feel free to comment.









Plant # 4


This is my biggest and healthiest.



Those are five inch net pots so that will give you a good idea how wide it is.



Still trying to get that nice closeup shot. My camera aint the best.



I'm thinking that this is an Indica strain because of those fat fan leaves any thoughts on that?

Good news the chiller has been shipped and it's on it's way, I also got some flora shield to kill off all the bad stuff in my res.

Here are some pics from my harvest last fall. This is the same plant I'm growing now in the buckets except this one had no water or nutes all summer long because I was paranoid and didn't want my Neighbors seeing what I was doing. It may not look like it from the pics but I got a little over 3.5 oz of bud off of her and they were nice thick dense buds.:weed:











Well I hope you all enjoyed the show and remember any feedback good or bad is welcome here.

Peace.
 

josh420stillblowed

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looking real good bruh keep up the good work don't know bout the fan leaves idk if you can tell that early or not but good job so far hope everything turns out well with em.:bigjoint:
 

dmoose

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AllRight! They are looking real good, and have moved past whatever it was, the new growth is great. By my calculations, you are 4 days on 2ml each of the GH Nutes? The lighter green new growth is telling you to kick the nutes up. GH is a very Gentle Nute Solution, and some people go full strength as soon as it roots, all the way through. I am currently testing this theory in steps, and know that it is ok for them to be at atleast 1/2 strength NOW. I would definetly increase the nutes immediately.

The large spot on the big leaf looks to be either a bruise from a hydroton ball, maybe when you transplanted into the netcups, or a water/nute spot from spillage or something, I'm pulling this shit out my a$$ :eyesmoke:, or it could be a deficiancy from the light feeding? I believe it will all stop with more food, if it hasnt allready.

Now, about the shelf........ Move it UP! Its one of the easiest things to do to reduce your heat. 2 fans pulling air out the top, passive intakes (below the shelf to block light). Plus, it will guarentee you negative pressure, and no smell can escape the doorway, or any crack, it is all being pulled up and out. Plus, you are pulling fresh CO2 (air) right past the ladies 24/7.

Having second thoughts about putting anything electrical under the buckets though? But leave enough room to drop the res down there later when we convert to AERO! hehehe jk <<< maybe?bongsmilie
 

Dropastone

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Now, about the shelf........ Move it UP! Its one of the easiest things to do to reduce your heat. 2 fans pulling air out the top, passive intakes (below the shelf to block light). Plus, it will guarentee you negative pressure, and no smell can escape the doorway, or any crack, it is all being pulled up and out. Plus, you are pulling fresh CO2 (air) right past the ladies 24/7.

Having second thoughts about putting anything electrical under the buckets though? But leave enough room to drop the res down there later when we convert to AERO! hehehe jk <<< maybe?bongsmilie
No I'm not having second thoughts about putting anything electrical down there. I just don't like the thought of all that light leaking out into my bedroom. I do realize that if I raise the shelf the amount of light will be lessened. After I close the door there is still about a 5" gap between the door and the shelf. I'm trying to be as stealthy as possible and I'm afraid my neighbor might see the glow at night and I'd rather not cover up my windows. The way I had it there is no light leaks at all except for the intake on the intake fan but that's minimal. Now that I have removed the the weather strip it's a lot brighter in there. I have a few more days to think about it before the chiller gets here. It's not totally off the drawing board yet.

Now back to the weather strip I have noticed an 8 degree change at plant level but the lights were only on for about 3 hours when I checked it. Then I was messing around in there for about an hour or so and it jumped up about 5 degrees but that was with the door opened and taking in heated air. I'm gonna keep an eye on it. I'll check it in the morning and see where it's at. I may only have to get more air flow coming in to fix my heat problem.
 

Dropastone

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To soon to tell I about my average room temp with the weather strip off the door. I like to sleep with my bedroom door open at night to warm it up a little. So when I woke up this morning there was a 4* difference in average temps plus I was in there this morning for about and hour adjusting my nutes to half strength and the temp went right back up. So now that I can just leave it alone for a while I'll get a more of an accurate reading between now and tomorrow.

Now it's time to get medicated.:bigjoint:

:peace:
 

Dropastone

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Today I got 1 of my alterations done to the closet. I moved the intake up top for a total of two exhausts at 120 cfm. Then I added 2 more 3 inch passive intake holes to the bottom of the door for a total of 3. For now I took a furnace filter and cut it down to size and stapled it over each hole on the door inside and out. I'm gonna find something better real soon. I was thinking about some scuff pads they're usually dark green or rusty red in color and they would be better to block out the light and that will make it lot easier to swap out when they get dirty. You could probably wash and reuse them.

I scoured the internet this morning to find some kind of formula to figure out how many holes I needed for the passive intake. I found out that you need twice as much for what you have exhausting. In my case I have two blowers and each one has a 2 inch exhaust, so that's 4 inches total for exhaust. Now you take the 4 inches and times that by 2 for for a total of 8 inches needed for the passive intake. So I got a total of three 3 inch holes for a total of 9 inches for the Passive intake. Plus I have room to cut 2 more 3 inch holes just in case what I have now is not enough because I'm sure the filter is restricting some of that airflow.

I put my weather strip back on the bottom of the door and then I also moved the oscillating fan to a lower position on the door but it just didn't work out because the fan sticks out to far. I'm gonna have to get a smaller fan or just live with what I got for now.

I finished up with only a cpl of minutes to spare before it was time for the night cycle. So I'll report in the morning if my over all room temperature drops any. I'm starting to think the heat at plant level is never gonna change by much with the heat of that bulb right over the tops.:peace:
 

Dropastone

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Okay so yesterday I made the improvements to my closet and I'm very pleased with the results. The lights kick on at 9pm and kick off at 3pm every day. I picked that schedule because during the night cycle is when I have most of my visitors at the house. So between 9pm and 10am my temps were holding a steady 80* at plant level the rest of the room was between 75 to 78 degrees. That's defiantly a 10 deg difference in room temperature.

Yesterday while I was doing my calculations I was wrong about the intake on the blowers. They are actually 2.5 inches, so what I really needed was a total of ten inches for the passive intake. So I went ahead and added two more intake holes for a total of 15 inches of passive intake and that should take care of any type of filter that I use. I'm going shopping on Monday so I'll defiantly pick up something better than what I'm using now.

Another thing I think helped was to stop the fan from oscillating. I got it pointed down as far as it goes and pointing right at the door. With any luck the wind is bouncing off my door and through the canopy. I also got the two exhaust fans pointing in opposite directions so that they are pulling air from different directions.

Okay so I decided to add a few pics so here you go.:weed:







I'll post another update tomorrow with new room temps.:bigjoint:

:peace:
 
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