Unclebaldrick
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You could make the arguement that this thread belongs in politics. I would disagree. Privacy affects us all regardless of our political beliefs. Besides, I put it there too. I'm using science to test a theory.
Ed Snowden... Hero or Villain? A poll.
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tytheguy111
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i think he's a hero im not too informed on this subject but if he's exposing the NSA then yeah ill buy him a beer
but if he's exposing the american people's private information then ill pop a round in his kneecap
but if he's exposing the american people's private information then ill pop a round in his kneecap
Unclebaldrick
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Actually, a lot of his most important exposures were that the NSA is violating everybody's privacy. But it was a big, big secret.
Singlemalt
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I wouldn't necessarily call him a hero, the term is bandiabout too easily these days. I'd call him a good citizen and I hope what he did makes a positive for the future
tytheguy111
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oh well then i want to buy him a beer
i seen the news and heard people say he's a terrorist but i only use the news for muting it and mocking them lol
Captain Ron
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Stop bringing up uncle bucks secret identity!
kinetic
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But Mark Klein blew that whistle back in 05, with the media picking it up in 06.. I know snowdon did it bigger, but everyone seemed a bit 'Murica we fixin to get us some terrists pew pew pew so it didn't seem like a big concern. Room 641a.
With copper you could tap at a pole or splice into it much more readily. With com backbone going to fiber there needed to be a fusion splice. A butt set with aligator clips wasn't going to do it anymore, nor was a pen tap. Racks of equipment would be needed to capture the data flowing in the 21st century. Hot Taps on DC power, fusion spicing mig cables and highspeed data capture equipment was needed.
kinetic
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San Fran a major hub for under ocean cables in the pacific, you bet your ass ATT's San Fran office was not the only central office with one of these rooms. Lawsuits filed on behave of the public went no where as congress retroactively granted immunity to telcecom companies like att, verizon, comcast etc. for cooperation in the capturing of data transmitted in the country. Active listening was employed where as passive surveillance used to be the norm.
Snake Plisken
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We were buddies, Snowden. You, me, and Fresno Bob. You know what they did to Fresno Bob, huh?!
reasonevangelist
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Snowden revealed things The State doesn't want its own population knowing. Things it cannot justify.
The State accuses him of treason... which clarifies and confirms that The State considers its own population "the enemy."
The State (or rather, the hijackers running it) considers the populace, and the revelation of the truth of the corruption of our own state, as "the enemy."
I think... "we, the people, hold these truths to be self-evident..."
The State accuses him of treason... which clarifies and confirms that The State considers its own population "the enemy."
The State (or rather, the hijackers running it) considers the populace, and the revelation of the truth of the corruption of our own state, as "the enemy."
I think... "we, the people, hold these truths to be self-evident..."
Unclebaldrick
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Last night John Oliver did an entertaining interview w Ed Snowden. I would link it if I could from wheeree I am now. But I recommend it. Worth the time.
Terry385
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Both but that's not an option. I do think he's a hero now. Making the decision to have the mic chasing your ass for the rest of your potentially miserable and shortened life is not something I'd ever have the backbone to do. These kind of things tend not to end well. I hope he can stay ahead of them.
Unclebaldrick
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Yeah, I know I left out any gray area. It was on purpose.
Oliver made an uncomfortable joke about that last night. He asked Snowden if he missed certain things about the US. One of them was "truck nuts". Snowden didn't know what they were so Oliver produced a pair of 'Merican flag truck nuts. Snowden said something like "you've really thought this through" and Oliver replied "One of us did."
bluntmassa1
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I think he is more of a douche bag myself.
How was that a big secret? Did you miss all the bullshit with the Patriot Act that's when spying started they said they can tap phones and all with no warrant so I just assumed they would run with it. Also I read the fine print on a pre-paid credit card seen some shit about the Patriot Act so they watch everything you pay 10 grand for grow equipment with a credit card they know. I don't have a bank account for that reason, the hands can't hit what the eyes don't see.
Unclebaldrick
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Not meaning to be rude, but you weren't paying enough attention if you think that the specifics he gave were not only officially very secret, but also unknown to the population in general.I think he is more of a douche bag myself.
How was that a big secret? Did you miss all the bullshit with the Patriot Act that's when spying started they said they can tap phones and all with no warrant so I just assumed they would run with it. Also I read the fine print on a pre-paid credit card seen some shit about the Patriot Act so they watch everything you pay 10 grand for grow equipment with a credit card they know. I don't have a bank account for that reason, the hands can't hit what the eyes don't see.
Captain Ron
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Yeah!
bluntmassa1
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It was known just the people where in denial, he just opened peoples eyes changed nothing they still spy.
I just watched it. I'd never heard of John Oliver and I thank you for the introduction, he is a hoot. It was quite humorous and horrifying. I feel sorry for Snowden, he looks tired, and why not, the govt is nothing if not relentless.