Election deniers, how do you feel about recent Fox testimony?

Herb & Suds

Herb & Suds

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I blame the man the most, he is a menace to society and just a total grifter
But without Fox he would have never been a concern to me at all
I wish we could hit rewind and it would all go away
But it is not gonna happen
So now i just want payback to any and all that knowingly let him create so much division
My 2 cents
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Dorian2 said:
My point is to allow people that might have changed their stance the time and space to discuss it without having to feel stupid for doing so. My entire point is in my original post here. And yeah, it's going to be a moving target when my posts are greeted with meaningless meme's and tropes that have nothing to do with what my original thought was about. Happens quite often in this section for no good reason.

But tanks for the convo. Gotta go.
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Change is good and there are several former republican posters here and we see plenty of former republicans on TV, they all left early when Trump came along. Anybody who voted for the idiot in 2020 is pretty well dug in and less likely to change and when they do it will be painful and not all at once as in an epiphany. History has shown that once taken, the suckers seldom admit it to themselves or others, but it is good that they changed their minds, it means they learned and grew as people. It is harder for older people to change and learn than for the young to evolve their views over time and experience, but some ideas must die with those who hold them.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Dorian2 said:
No, I haven't. And I don't really expect to see it in these or many online forums. But I do think it's worth keeping the idea open for someone who doesn't lean as hard into it as others. It can also be transferred into real life conversations with friends and family if one is so inclined.

@Fogdog , we have some family and friends that are in the Trump is great crowd here as well. Probably not as politically intense as down South, but it certainly exists. Hope you can patch things with your bro at some point. Life's too short.
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We are fine. Had a great family camping trip last year on the coast. My nieces I just love to death. We went crabbing, long walks on the beach, I got ripping drunk one night with them and we laughed our asses off. He's my brother, we have plenty to share that has nothing to do with politics. And we both care about maintaining our relationship. His wife probably has a harder time staying out of it but when she drifts into that mode a reminder that I won't talk about it ends it there. There is plenty of respect, which makes it work.

As you say, life is too short. So why dwell on the differences?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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cannabineer said:
how am I behaving in a prejudiced manner toward you?
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He's probably talking about me. He's not from around here, knows nothing about the topic and lectures somebody who has living in the middle of this mess about how every election denier "has a story" and should be listened to. He has no idea what's going on. His unjustified arrogance deserves to be approached with prejudice.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Fogdog said:
He's probably talking about me. He's not from around here, knows nothing about the topic and lectures somebody who has living in the middle of this mess about how every election denier "has a story" and should be listened to. He has no idea what's going on. His unjustified arrogance deserves to be approached with prejudice.
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I have been watching our interaction with growing confusion. I kept requesting clarity (I think), and I sense but am not certain that I got increasing and negative sentiment in response. I cannot help but wonder if it’s something I am doing wrong*. I hope I’m simply overthinking it, and tomorrow will be more normal.

*If he’s upbraiding me for something he’s holding against you … Norman relate!!

 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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cannabineer said:
I have been watching our interaction with growing confusion. I kept requesting clarity (I think), and I sense but am not certain that I got increasing and negative sentiment in response. I cannot help but wonder if it’s something I am doing wrong. I hope I’m simply overthinking it, and tomorrow will be more normal.
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He showed up with preconceived notions and gave a lecture about listening and communicating. Then he didn't listen to our replies. As you said, you kept asking for clarity, he took your questions as doubt and got resentful.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Fogdog said:
He showed up with preconceived notions and gave a lecture about listening and communicating. Then he didn't listen to our replies. As you said, you kept asking for clarity, he took your questions as doubt and got resentful.
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Thanks. My gyros were tumbling a bit.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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cannabineer said:
I have been watching our interaction with growing confusion. I kept requesting clarity (I think), and I sense but am not certain that I got increasing and negative sentiment in response. I cannot help but wonder if it’s something I am doing wrong*. I hope I’m simply overthinking it, and tomorrow will be more normal.

*If he’s upbraiding me for something he’s holding against you … Norman relate!!

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Maybe he is in a state of flux and trying to evolve his views in light of overwhelming evidence, it doesn't happen all at once and on all issues. It's like racism for many white people, it is a conditioned behavior and response, visceral and though they might try on an intellectual level when mindful, they often feel it as a burden. It takes time, a decade for some, but those who make an earnest effort are to be encouraged, we all make mistakes, that's how we grow, but first we must recognize them.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Fogdog said:
He showed up with preconceived notions and gave a lecture about listening and communicating. Then he didn't listen to our replies. As you said, you kept asking for clarity, he took your questions as doubt and got resentful.
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I will say one thing, the foxnews revelations have silenced many who are aware of them on social media and foxnews can't censor the news there. When they come on here, a link and a question on it will stop them cold or they go nuts! :lol:
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Maybe he is in a state of flux and trying to evolve his views in light of overwhelming evidence, it doesn't happen all at once and on all issues. It's like racism for many white people, it is a conditioned behavior and response, visceral and though they might try on an intellectual level when mindful, they often feel it as a burden. It takes time, a decade for some, but those who make an earnest effort are to be encouraged, we all make mistakes, that's how we grow, but first we must recognize them.
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so … asking for a friend, so to speak?
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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cannabineer said:
so … asking for a friend, so to speak?
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Dunno, just trying to explain the dynamic of personal change and growth. The younger ones are more likely to be on social media see the truth about foxnews and are more capable than older voters to evolve and change. The older ones tend to have foxnews as their single news source and I believe (? as seen on TV) around 2 million old white voters are dying off every election cycle, The average age of a foxnews viewer is quite old as I recall.

People find Jesus every day and lose their way every day too so they can change, there are epiphanies.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Dunno, just trying to explain the dynamic of personal change and growth. The younger ones are more likely to be on social media see the truth about foxnews and are more capable than older voters to evolve and change. The older ones tend to have foxnews as their single news source and I believe (? as seen on TV) around 2 million old white voters are dying off every election cycle, The average age of a foxnews viewer is quite old as I recall.

People find Jesus every day and lose their way every day too so they can change, there are epiphanies.
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There are few things more irritating than finding Jesus and then misplacing him. You retrace your steps; you look under things … oh, damn.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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cannabineer said:
No. (You asked the question too narrowly. Neener.)
But the kicker is I don’t know what you’re getting at.
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Have your views on gun ownership evolved this past decade in light of the mass murders that seem to happen almost daily, aside from the hundreds of regular murders and suicides. It is a perhaps an issue you are conditioned to by your life experience.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Have your views on gun ownership evolved this past decade in light of the mass murders that seem to happen almost daily, aside from the hundreds of regular murders and suicides. It is a perhaps an issue you are conditioned to by your life experience.
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Freud had a thing or two to say about “asking for a friend”.
 
sunni

sunni

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Dorian2 said:
@Fogdog , we have some family and friends that are in the Trump is great crowd here as well. Probably not as politically intense as down South, but it certainly exists. Hope you can patch things with your bro at some point. Life's too short.
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yes life is short which is why i will cut anyone in my life who is genuinely homophobic, racist etc. i dont give a fuck if theyre family. they sure as fuck dont represent my values as a family unit,

I dont want my child having " a racist uncle" , I want my child to know we dont hang out with billy bob because his core values are not representative of what we stand for as a family, and so we have decided to remove them out of our lives because their view points are harmful to us, and towards others we may love and know and people we dont know because everyone deserves a place where they are welcomed and safe we should not be required to dealing with people who are racist or homophobic etc just because theyre family.



The narrative that family cant be removed because theyre family is the majority of peoples traumas, you dont keep a pedo in the family just because theyre family you remove that fucker
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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sunni said:
yes life is short which is why i will cut anyone in my life who is genuinely homophobic, racist etc. i dont give a fuck if theyre family. they sure as fuck dont represent my values as a family unit,

I dont want my child having " a racist uncle" , I want my child to know we dont hang out with billy bob because his core values are not representative of what we stand for as a family, and so we have decided to remove them out of our lives because their view points are harmful to us, and towards others we may love and know and people we dont know because everyone deserves a place where they are welcomed and safe we should not be required to dealing with people who are racist or homophobic etc just because theyre family.



The narrative that family cant be removed because theyre family is the majority of peoples traumas, you dont keep a pedo in the family just because theyre family you remove that fucker
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Making war on others and spreading hate and stupidity has consequences or should have. Sometimes there are family events involving parents that are hard to avoid and other events, so some diplomacy must be practiced! America has become polarized over the last decade and if anything, Trump just tore the bandage off a festering wound. However, there is social unrest and division everywhere these days, not just America, a sign of rapid social and economic change.
 
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