Election deniers, how do you feel about recent Fox testimony?

DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Dorian2 said:
I simply don't think the way you do. Particularly about race. Doesn't even enter the equation for me. Is it your take that everybody who is an election denier is also a racist or bigot of some sort?
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From their words and actions, it would appear so, racism, bigotry and xenophobia are related character traits/defects. It is the glue that holds them together and hate is often the only point to what they do and the only explanation. Why do people watch foxnews? It's the same reason they vote republican, they have no platform or policy except that which they drag from the gutters of American culture. They are completely dependent on culture wars and foxnews is the creator and magnifier of the culture wars, grievance is all they have and not even that is real.

Trump led them naked on to open ground in broad daylight with no cover and they stand exposed with UV dildos and Clorox jugs in their hands.
 
topcat

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Dorian2 said:
I simply don't think the way you do. Particularly about race. Doesn't even enter the equation for me. Is it your take that everybody who is an election denier is also a racist or bigot of some sort?
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Yep. Everyone who supports Individual 1 is everything he is. Cruel anti-christians.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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Dorian2 said:
I simply don't think the way you do. Particularly about race. Doesn't even enter the equation for me. Is it your take that everybody who is an election denier is also a racist or bigot of some sort?
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Don't you realize that what matters to you doesn't mean fuck all to anyone else? that isn't an attack, that's a sincere question?
You don't even consider racism, but the people that have to deal with it daily don't have that privilege, they HAVE to consider it, they have to live with it daily. You do not. They have to worry about jim crow bullshit like are they in the wrong part of town when the sun is going down. You never have.
If you get pulled over by the police, do you worry that you may end up dead? A lot of minorities HAVE to...You do not...
The world could give a thin fuck less what enters into your equations, it uses the old math, where minorities are 3/5ths of a person.
 
Dorian2

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Fogdog said:
Hang on for a moment and listen to somebody who lives in the US. I've been at the Portland Oregon antifascist demonstrations when Proud Boys showed up and caused a riot. I've seen it first hand. We were a peaceful crowd. Men, women, some in wheelchairs, some in clown costumes, even a band. All we did was stand in front of people who wanted to march in the streets of Portland waving Nazi and white supremacist flags. And they moved in with clubs. There is no compromise with that group. They are authoritarian fascist followers. Trump is their guy. He told them to stand by just before the 2020 election.

In 2016, 63 million voted for the guy who used Mexicans as a race baiting tool.
In 2020, 74 million voted for the guy who sent DHS goons to beat heads in Portland.

There is no important difference between people who actually showed up to overthrow our government on Jan 6 from the ones deny the election was stolen and did not show up. They are all right wing authoritarian followers. They do not compromise. They do not recognize the universal right to freedom of speech and assembly. They did not object when Nancy Pelosi's husband was beaten by a MAGA follower. They are actively trying to do away with democracy in the US. If I can't step in line with them, they want me dead or at the very least disenfranchised.

My brother is one of them. I'm familiar with the type.

There is no discussion they are willing to enter into. It is their way or the highway. The only thing we can do is oppose them and outlast them. If somebody has rethought their ideas then they are a tiny fraction of the original numbers. I would like to point out that 9 million more people voted for Trump in 2020, so there is no evidence that there is a trend showing massive defection from Trumpism.

So, go ahead and lecture me about compassion. I have plenty of compassion. For the victims of right wing fascists.
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Fair enough. I wasn't lecturing you on anything though. If you contend that half of your country is right wing fascist leaning, so be it.
 
Fogdog

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Dorian2 said:
Fair enough. I wasn't lecturing you on anything though. If you contend that half of your country is right wing fascist leaning, so be it.
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Didn't say that. The US has a majority that are center and center left leaning.

Regarding your belief that racism has no place in the discussion regarding MAGA and their threat to our democracy.

Do you believe that racism doesn't exist in Canada? That it has no bearing on the current conditions that the first people are experiencing?
 
Dorian2

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
Don't you realize that what matters to you doesn't mean fuck all to anyone else? that isn't an attack, that's a sincere question?
You don't even consider racism, but the people that have to deal with it daily don't have that privilege, they HAVE to consider it, they have to live with it daily. You do not. They have to worry about jim crow bullshit like are they in the wrong part of town when the sun is going down. You never have.
If you get pulled over by the police, do you worry that you may end up dead? A lot of minorities HAVE to...You do not...
The world could give a thin fuck less what enters into your equations, it uses the old math, where minorities are 3/5ths of a person.
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In the context of the question in this thread, I didn't consider the rampant racism issue that your country is facing. Which I'm already keenly aware of and see. It seems to me that it's implied that every person that watches Fox and believed in the election denial nonsense is far right fascist and racially motivated. Which may be true for the people that are still hanging onto that ideology. I'm just saying that there's nothing wrong with lending an ear to the people that had fallen into that rabbit hole but may have found it within themselves to see where they were at with it. I don't believe every person that thinks the election was stolen has racial motivation. Ignorance, perception, lack of education, upbringing, social standing, and basic living conditions also play into this.
 
Fogdog

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Dorian2 said:
I'm just saying that there's nothing wrong with lending an ear to the people that had fallen into that rabbit hole but may have found it within themselves to see where they were at with it.
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What are you talking about? Who ever said they wouldn't do as you say. How many of that kind are there?
 
Dorian2

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Fogdog said:
Didn't say that. The US has a majority that are center and center left leaning.

Regarding your belief that racism has no place in the discussion regarding MAGA and their threat to our democracy.

Do you believe that racism doesn't exist in Canada? That it has no bearing on the current conditions that the first people are experiencing?
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Come on. This thread is about Fox viewers and election denial. Racism, MAGA, and the threat to our democracy is a different topic altogether. Even if it's a thread in the entire equation. What kind of question is that that you posed to me anyway? It's kind of offensive, to be honest.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Fogdog said:
Didn't say that. The US has a majority that are center and center left leaning.

Regarding your belief that racism has no place in the discussion regarding MAGA and their threat to our democracy.

Do you believe that racism doesn't exist in Canada? That it has no bearing on the current conditions that the first people are experiencing?
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We are no different than America when it comes to racism, certain aspects of human nature are universal. The key difference is we have more majority rule and less division of powers, especially in the criminal realm, our courts are not politicized, and we have a modern constitution and bill of rights. We are also politically organized in such a way to drive such POVs to the fringes and into the political wilderness, our political parties are more top down driven. A bolt from on high can eliminate a wing nut candidate nominated locally to protect the party "brand".

Minority rule at several levels gives these people a voice and power in America, you need a more perfect union than most others to get anything done and more perfect people to elect them due to flaws and cheating in the system. They are impowered the most by the former confederate and deep red states where racism is endemic and warped the local culture, there the likes of MTG, Gaetz and a cast of other miscreants can do no wrong, no matter what. They have a solid base they can count on, like a castle that they can raid from and retreat in safety to, a place where facts don't count, and they elect and control the judges.
 
CunningCanuk

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Dorian2 said:
Come on. This thread is about Fox viewers and election denial. Racism, MAGA, and the threat to our democracy is a different topic altogether. Even if it's a thread in the entire equation. What kind of question is that that you posed to me anyway? It's kind of offensive, to be honest.
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You incorrectly compartmentalize the issue of race separately from other issues because you can’t see it’s part of every issue in our current society.

I don’t see what you would find offensive about fogdog’s questions. What did you find offensive?
 
Grandpapy

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PJ Diaz said:
That's a comedic skit, you do realize that, right?
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The laughing is such a distraction, I'll admit.

A 2019 study in the American Political Science Review found that "stations bought by Sinclair reduce coverage of local politics, increase national coverage and move the ideological tone of coverage in a conservative direction relative to other stations operating in the same market."[5][6] The company has been criticized by journalists and media analysts for requiring its stations to broadcast packaged video segments and its news anchors to read prepared scripts that contain pro-Trump editorial content, including warnings about purported "fake news" in mainstream media, while Trump has tweeted support for watching Sinclair over CNN and NBC.
 
PJ Diaz

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Grandpapy said:
The laughing is such a distraction, I'll admit.

A 2019 study in the American Political Science Review found that "stations bought by Sinclair reduce coverage of local politics, increase national coverage and move the ideological tone of coverage in a conservative direction relative to other stations operating in the same market."[5][6] The company has been criticized by journalists and media analysts for requiring its stations to broadcast packaged video segments and its news anchors to read prepared scripts that contain pro-Trump editorial content, including warnings about purported "fake news" in mainstream media, while Trump has tweeted support for watching Sinclair over CNN and NBC.
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I'm not sure what your point is exactly. There's a big difference between FOX's local affiliate's news reporting and Tucker Carlson. I don't watch TV, so I don't watch either one really, but I do see video's of local news segments on FOX affiliates from time to time, and they don't seem any more biased than other local news. In fact they had a pretty good segment, with better detail about the recent flooding in Pajaro, compared to the other local news outlets. In full disclosure I've held distain for Rupert Murdock a couple of decades now.
 
Grandpapy

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PJ Diaz said:
I'm not sure what your point is exactly. There's a big difference between FOX's local affiliate's news reporting and Tucker Carlson. I don't watch TV, so I don't watch either one really, but I do see video's of local news segments on FOX affiliates from time to time, and they don't seem any more biased than other local news. In fact they had a pretty good segment, with better detail about the recent flooding in Pajaro, compared to the other local news outlets. In full disclosure I've held distain for Rupert Murdock a couple of decades now.
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Well now you can spread some of that distain over to the head of Sinclair. Because it's not just local Fox stations he's micromanaging.
 
PJ Diaz

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Grandpapy said:
Well now you can spread some of that distain over to the head of Sinclair. Because it's not just local Fox stations he's micromanaging.
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Exactly, it's not just FOX affiliates that Sinclair manages, it's also NBC, CBS, ABC, and others, so not sure why you tried to frame only FOX with that Wikipedia passage. Somehow you forgot to mention this part from your link:

Sinclair Broadcast Group, Inc. (SBG) is a publicly traded American telecommunications conglomerate that is controlled by the descendants of company founder Julian Sinclair Smith. Headquartered in the Baltimore suburb of Cockeysville, Maryland, the company is the second-largest television station operator in the United States by number of stations (after Nexstar Media Group), owning or operating a total of 193 stations across the country in over 100 markets (covering 40% of American households), many of which are located in the South and Midwest, and is the largest owner of stations affiliated with Fox, NBC, CBS, ABC, MyNetworkTV, and The CW.
 
Grandpapy

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PJ Diaz said:
Exactly, it's not just FOX affiliates that Sinclair manages, it's also NBC, CBS, ABC, and others, so not sure why you tried to frame only FOX with that Wikipedia passage. Somehow you forgot to mention this part from your link:

Sinclair Broadcast Group, Inc. (SBG) is a publicly traded American telecommunications conglomerate that is controlled by the descendants of company founder Julian Sinclair Smith. Headquartered in the Baltimore suburb of Cockeysville, Maryland, the company is the second-largest television station operator in the United States by number of stations (after Nexstar Media Group), owning or operating a total of 193 stations across the country in over 100 markets (covering 40% of American households), many of which are located in the South and Midwest, and is the largest owner of stations affiliated with Fox, NBC, CBS, ABC, MyNetworkTV, and The CW.
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No, you somehow missed it in the video posted earlier.
 
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