Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???

Status
Not open for further replies.
E

elkukupanda

Active Member
Uncle Ben said:
Interesting, eh? If memory serves me correct, lumination is over 10,000 f.c. from 6" of a 600W HPS. Sun = 10K f.c., clear summer day at noon.
Click to expand...
Indeed, very interesting man... an amazing source of energy no joke... i'm glad i didn't buy a cooling tube.. i probably would had bleach some leaves cuz some of the stuff i read here... Before the meter... the plant under the reflector was getting hmmmm 11k... the only difference i noticed was the leaves weren't as open as other leaves... kind of a V shape... cupping effect? now i know why though... matter fact... you can see in my avatar... that's was the plant getting the 11k... i think you can see in there a bit what i'm referring to... hard tho with that spectrum of light...
 
Alexander Supertramp

Alexander Supertramp

Well-Known Member
Uncle Ben said:
Interesting, eh? If memory serves me correct, lumination is over 10,000 f.c. from 6" of a 600W HPS. Sun = 10K f.c., clear summer day at noon.
Click to expand...
10K at or near the equator, Tropic of Cancer to Tropic of Capricorn. Florida(31 degree north latitude)maxs at about 8,800. I am at the 45th parallel and never have gotten a reading over 7,500 at the peak of summer, mid June to early July. Its a magical band around the globe between the 40th and 50th parallels, give or take. Its where light and climate meet to grow some of the worlds most amazing plants...

Edit: My numbers I pulled from memory and figure they are pretty close. What I am sure of is max Zenith(10,000 fc)of the suns rays is only possible within a defined band around the globe.
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
Alexander Supertramp said:
10K at or near the equator, Tropic of Cancer to Tropic of Capricorn. Florida(31 degree north latitude)maxs at about 8,800. I am at the 45th parallel and never have gotten a reading over 7,500 at the peak of summer, mid June to early July. Its a magical band around the globe between the 40th and 50th parallels, give or take. Its where light and climate meet to grow some of the worlds most amazing plants...

Edit: My numbers I pulled from memory and figure they are pretty close. What I am sure of is max Zenith(10,000 fc)of the suns rays is only possible within a defined band around the globe.
Click to expand...
Central to south Texas I read 10K to 10,500 f.c. I would think that would be around that down to the equator.
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
Sincerely420 said:
View attachment 2522083

This one seems to be more for don't remove the producers
Click to expand...
As I quoted this in both of the lame defoliation threads, R.C. Clarke gives the real science behind the stupidity of removing foliage.

And "this one" (Clarke) is THE authority on cannabis anatomy and physiology. He's a scientist, not some hillbilly stoner that's stupid enough to remove the very unit that produces what he's after.

UB
 
Kite High

Kite High

Well-Known Member
Alexander Supertramp said:
10K at or near the equator, Tropic of Cancer to Tropic of Capricorn. Florida(31 degree north latitude)maxs at about 8,800. I am at the 45th parallel and never have gotten a reading over 7,500 at the peak of summer, mid June to early July. Its a magical band around the globe between the 40th and 50th parallels, give or take. Its where light and climate meet to grow some of the worlds most amazing plants...

Edit: My numbers I pulled from memory and figure they are pretty close. What I am sure of is max Zenith(10,000 fc)of the suns rays is only possible within a defined band around the globe.
Click to expand...
I am at 7300 ft in one of the slightly northeastern arid high desert mountainous regions of New Mexico and at 1 pm in June I have gotten readings of 11275 ftc with my NIST certified meter that reads to 40000 ftc...also uvb readings on my uvb meter of 435 uw/cm2......

Plants can take upwards of 30000-40000 ftc but I see it as hurting rather than helping production and quality when over 15000 ftc thereabouts

wish I had the health to do outdoors here....but with the constant watering I am just not able currently...but that will soon change....
 
Slab

Slab

Well-Known Member
Kite High said:
I am at 7300 ft in one of the slightly northeastern arid high desert mountainous regions of New Mexico and at 1 pm in June I have gotten readings of 11275 ftc with my NIST certified meter that reads to 40000 ftc...also uvb readings on my uvb meter of 435 uw/cm2......

Plants can take upwards of 30000-40000 ftc but I see it as hurting rather than helping production and quality when over 15000 ftc thereabouts

wish I had the health to do outdoors here....but with the constant watering I am just not able currently...but that will soon change....
Click to expand...
that kind of heat will cook the meat on your forearms:lol:

Miss my days in the Mountains. the phone companies slogan was "life's better out here" they were not bullshitting. for once.

good luck out there I will be rooting for you.
 
Sir.Ganga

Sir.Ganga

New Member
Kite High said:
SO IF YOU ARE SO INTENT UPON PROVING THAT YOUR METHODS INCREASE YIELD; DEFOLIATE 1/2 CLONES AND DO NOT THE OTHER HALF IN THE SAME ROOM AND WEIGH THE OUTCOMES?

Sorry bout the caps but too lazy to retype it...lol
Click to expand...
IT HAS!....MANY TIMES. You should take your own advise and do you OWN side by side instead of comming on here and trying to show "just how smart you are".

We ALL know already...how smart you are!

If your not de-foiliating YOUR losing out period.

You really need a different source of info...this is common knowledge and as basic as it gets.
 
Kite High

Kite High

Well-Known Member
Sir.Ganga said:
IT HAS!....MANY TIMES. You should take your own advise and do you OWN side by side instead of comming on here and trying to show "just how smart you are".

We ALL know already...how smart you are!

If your not de-foiliating YOUR losing out period.

You really need a different source of info...this is common knowledge and as basic as it gets.
Click to expand...
i did this experiment three times over 15 years ago following the supposed correct guides to doing this..and without fail the plants with the most leaves won...

You kind sir are pompous and self fluffing and I have no use for you...you just earned and very honestly so, ignore...good bye with your useless words...have a great existence


  • Sir.Ganga
    420 TIME

    [h=2]This message is hidden because Sir.Ganga is on your ignore list.[/h]
    there thats much better

 
Kite High

Kite High

Well-Known Member
Sir.Ganga said:
IT HAS!....MANY TIMES. You should take your own advise and do you OWN side by side instead of comming on here and trying to show "just how smart you are".

We ALL know already...how smart you are!

If your not de-foiliating YOUR losing out period.

You really need a different source of info...this is common knowledge and as basic as it gets.
Click to expand...
well let's see...believe you...or believe what I saw witnessed with my own eyes which agrees with botany and an ACTUAL botanist of cannabis, Mr.[h=2]Robert Connell Clarke[/h]


as was so wisely posted previously by S420

So there sir....check and mate
 
Bud Brewer

Bud Brewer

Well-Known Member
Did you note the last sentence on the second last paragraph "Although the purpose of leafing is to speed maturation, disturbing the natural pro-gressive growth of the plant probably interferes with its rapid development."

Again another person with a theory and no evidence.

This is reality of doing defoliation right not some theory based on limited or no experimentation lacking any credibility.










 
Kite High

Kite High

Well-Known Member
Sorry but your pics only prove what the plants can do when leaves are removed not if it is better. They also look stressed and overheated. In my own comparisons long ago defoliation caused ME loss yield. I have yet to see any credible evidence to the contrary and the fact that an Actual Botanist that focused his study and observations on cannabis primarily throughout his career states these things which confirm my firsthand experience in comparison grows 3 times stands.

And as to Sir buffoon his grow pics do nothing to give him credence whatsoever. Those are mighty buds you show I do say, just doesn't prove the defoliation claims you assert is all.
 
Bud Brewer

Bud Brewer

Well-Known Member
A small lower back branch I just had to pull last night it is pure fire dank sticky stinky and best of all gets you so baked and so smooth.














Kite high it only took you dozens of post to finally revel that you have done it just a few pages back and now you did it three times, is this like the virgins waiting for you in heaven the number goes up every time you tell the story.
 
HighTimesJudge

HighTimesJudge

Member
Lower leafs that are fully yellow and ready to fall off actually hinder the growth as they take a substantial amount of energy to kill them off. Pulling them or cutting with sharp scissors to leaves that will fall of within days are better removed asap to recover from healing.. Take it from a Expert Grower and a Marijuana PRO! Your plant (provided its not aeroponics or sea of green method) should have no leaves a foot from the top of the soil... they are not helping and are being blocked by other higher leaves and only hinder your buds development, growth, and potency.
 
E

elkukupanda

Active Member
Bud Brewer said:
Did you note the last sentence on the second last paragraph "Although the purpose of leafing is to speed maturation, disturbing the natural pro-gressive growth of the plant probably interferes with its rapid development."


Again another person with a theory and no evidence.


This is reality of doing defoliation right not some theory based on limited or no experimentation lacking any credibility.
Click to expand...
Even tho I will never agree with your practices, I love your plants... They are beautiful...
what pot size you using? 10 gal?
 
Kite High

Kite High

Well-Known Member
HighTimesJudge said:
Lower leafs that are fully yellow and ready to fall off actually hinder the growth as they take a substantial amount of energy to kill them off. Pulling them or cutting with sharp scissors to leaves that will fall of within days are better removed asap to recover from healing.. Take it from a Expert Grower and a Marijuana PRO! Your plant (provided its not aeroponics or sea of green method) should have no leaves a foot from the top of the soil... they are not helping and are being blocked by other higher leaves and only hinder your buds development, growth, and potency.
Click to expand...
I have adequate light BELOW the canopy as well...the entire plant is more than adequately lit as I like sats and they are tall. But I do remove the few yellow leaves that occur...but is so minute an amount that in no way is it defoliation by any means
 
Kite High

Kite High

Well-Known Member
Bud Brewer said:
A small lower back branch I just had to pull last night it is pure fire dank sticky stinky and best of all gets you so baked and so smooth.














Kite high it only took you dozens of post to finally revel that you have done it just a few pages back and now you did it three times, is this like the virgins waiting for you in heaven the number goes up every time you tell the story.
Click to expand...
well then let me reveal more to you so that you may know...that waqs the time I did it before...three in a row...was black marketing at the time and had plenty of space and resources ...was only the insistence that I never did that had me reveal it again and again

So in the light of your comment would you like to know when I lost my virginity as well? that was 1975...and three times the same day

So how many comparison runs have you done?
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
Kite High said:
I am at 7300 ft in one of the slightly northeastern arid high desert mountainous regions of New Mexico and at 1 pm in June I have gotten readings of 11275 ftc with my NIST certified meter that reads to 40000 ftc...also uvb readings on my uvb meter of 435 uw/cm2......

Plants can take upwards of 30000-40000 ftc but I see it as hurting rather than helping production and quality when over 15000 ftc thereabouts

wish I had the health to do outdoors here....but with the constant watering I am just not able currently...but that will soon change....
Click to expand...
Curious, cannabis is a tropical plant indigenous to areas with high RH. You guys usually stay in the single digit RH values at 4:00 p.m. in the summer, right?
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
Sir.Ganga said:
IT HAS!....MANY TIMES. You should take your own advise and do you OWN side by side instead of comming on here and trying to show "just how smart you are".

We ALL know already...how smart you are!

If your not de-foiliating YOUR losing out period.

You really need a different source of info...this is common knowledge and as basic as it gets.
Click to expand...
Perhaps you need to learn some basic horticulture. It's common knowledge that you dumbnuts are a dime a dozen.

UB
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top