Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???

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Uncle Ben

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A small lower back branch I just had to pull last night it is pure fire dank sticky stinky and best of all gets you so baked and so smooth.














Kite high it only took you dozens of post to finally revel that you have done it just a few pages back and now you did it three times, is this like the virgins waiting for you in heaven the number goes up every time you tell the story.
You'll surely be a big hit with the kids.
 

Kite High

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Curious, cannabis is a tropical plant indigenous to areas with high RH. You guys usually stay in the single digit RH values at 4:00 p.m. in the summer, right?
lol yeah usually a high of 25% at night!!

You have to plant them among other plants for a little heat break and the surrounding vegetation keeps their micro climate a lil higher in rh

But they grow huge with colas bigger than my leg and with the aridness and high uvb super potent...just cant take the lugging ofthe water for it to be feasible...yet:blsmoke:
 

Uncle Ben

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lol yeah usually a high of 25% at night!!

You have to plant them among other plants for a little heat break and the surrounding vegetation keeps their micro climate a lil higher in rh

But they grow huge with colas bigger than my leg and with the aridness and high uvb super potent...just cant take the lugging ofthe water for it to be feasible...yet:blsmoke:
Nice!.....
 

Uncle Ben

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well let's see...believe you...or believe what I saw witnessed with my own eyes which agrees with botany and an ACTUAL botanist of cannabis, Mr.[h=2]Robert Connell Clarke[/h]


as was so wisely posted previously by S420

So there sir....check and mate
It's obvious who's more interested in science and who's more interested in gimmicks. The second paragraph of that Clarke clip sums it (the science) up well.
 

Sir.Ganga

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well let's see...believe you...or believe what I saw witnessed with my own eyes which agrees with botany and an ACTUAL botanist of cannabis, Mr.Robert Connell Clarke



as was so wisely posted previously by S420

So there sir....check and mate
I have this article and its a very good read but that is all it is. Sadly you are using an article that was wrote for outdoor growing and is only one point of view. If you read this carefully he really does not say what you think he is."It COULD interfere with floral development", "MAY cause stunting","Leaf removal MAY cause sex reversel""MAY interfere with the metabolical balance of the plant"

Do you see the common thread??? Most of this is absolutly correct and everyone should read this article. This is a general overview and as you can see he really doesn't say anything...I think, maybe, it could and so on. He is basically telling us there could be problems and he is absolutely correct, stress of any kind can and does change things. This article is based on the HEALTH of a naturally growing plant. INDOORS we do nothing NATURALLY and theres the difference, though defoilating can cause problems it also can better results if done properly and correctly for the strain growing.

But the last sentence kinda speaks for its self "Logical choices are made to direct the natural growth cycle of cannabis to FAVOR the timely maturation of those products sought by the cultivator, without sacrificing seed or clone production"

Personally my growing techniques that are based on this kind of info are not for seed or clones but flowers production and weight. Half baked techniques like stripping leaves, leaving suckers is just part of the learning curve. Once you have honed you technique you will find out what works and what doesn't.

We all grow a little different and all need to find our "sweet spot" Sadly most people that argue differently seem to be in their own little world and refuse to listen to reason.


By the way you can't play Chess either because you just lost your King.
 

Uncle Ben

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I have this article and its a very good read but that is all it is. Sadly you are using an article that was wrote for outdoor growing and is only one point of view....

......This is a general overview and as you can see he really doesn't say anything...
What a fuckin' retard.
 

Figong

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I have this article and its a very good read but that is all it is. Sadly you are using an article that was wrote for outdoor growing and is only one point of view. If you read this carefully he really does not say what you think he is."It COULD interfere with floral development", "MAY cause stunting","Leaf removal MAY cause sex reversel""MAY interfere with the metabolical balance of the plant"

Do you see the common thread??? Most of this is absolutly correct and everyone should read this article. This is a general overview and as you can see he really doesn't say anything...I think, maybe, it could and so on. He is basically telling us there could be problems and he is absolutely correct, stress of any kind can and does change things. This article is based on the HEALTH of a naturally growing plant. INDOORS we do nothing NATURALLY and theres the difference, though defoilating can cause problems it also can better results if done properly and correctly for the strain growing.

But the last sentence kinda speaks for its self "Logical choices are made to direct the natural growth cycle of cannabis to FAVOR the timely maturation of those products sought by the cultivator, without sacrificing seed or clone production"

Personally my growing techniques that are based on this kind of info are not for seed or clones but flowers production and weight. Half baked techniques like stripping leaves, leaving suckers is just part of the learning curve. Once you have honed you technique you will find out what works and what doesn't.

We all grow a little different and all need to find our "sweet spot" Sadly most people that argue differently seem to be in their own little world and refuse to listen to reason.


By the way you can't play Chess either because you just lost your King.
Oh, we haven't started this chess round yet - please cite any phytology/botany/horticulture journal where they actually say it's a half-baked technique, yet if it's done properly it works. I'm leaning toward 'You're fucking up your plants'... you can argue all you wish - but you have no solid ground to stand on in this argument. What is in bold from the quote pretty much summarizes it, and tells me that you were at least partially stoned when you tried to put this text together.
 

Sincerely420

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Oh, we haven't started this chess round yet - please cite any phytology/botany/horticulture journal where they actually say it's a half-baked technique, yet if it's done properly it works. I'm leaning toward 'You're fucking up your plants'... you can argue all you wish - but you have no solid ground to stand on in this argument. What is in bold from the quote pretty much summarizes it, and tells me that you were at least partially stoned when you tried to put this text together.
I don't know what you missed. The response seemed SOLID to me :joint:
 

cannawizard

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This defoliation thing is really going nowhere, both sides have valid points.. It just falls under which style of growing do you prefer..

Just keep the insults to a bare minimum (I know online discussions can get heated) :)
 

elkukupanda

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lol, damm common... this thread needs to die... is simple as... fan leaves... collect energy... store and supplement to the whole plant... the plant works as a collective organism... that's why you shouldn't worry about your buds being covered by a large fan leave... the more leaves... the more food the plant can store (the more buds.. yes!)... apical dominance dictates the growth of fruits... certain hormones dictate the maturation of buds... everything you do to the plant will have a reaction of some type... look for relationship of nitrogen and chlorophyl... also nitrogen and ethylene... and ethylene and gibberellins.. also ABA.. all phytohormones have something to say... there are others that are not mention within the main 5... there is a circadian regulation for hormones... high and lows... learn how to use them for your advantage... do not decrease your photosynthetic rate... there is so much info but if people do not research for themselves... is like talking to a wall... nothing but respect for trying to find results on your own.. but there is enough studies with advance tools out there to know what happens after something is done... don't let the hype confuse you... happy growing...
 

Sir.Ganga

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This defoliation thing is really going nowhere, both sides have valid points.. It just falls under which style of growing do you prefer..

Just keep the insults to a bare minimum (I know online discussions can get heated) :)
You said it...styles of growing and technique self taught is what the main differences in this heated debate. Word inturpatation is also an issue, de-foiliating can mean different things to different people it seems.

This is what works for me.

De-foilatiated plants entering my flower strain:
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This is a combinations of different technique I do in the previous couple of weeks, clones are taken from the removal of lower arms.

7 1/2 weeks in with a week to go:
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Same strain...same type of foilage removal.

For my set up this is the best way to date of keeping the plant in the grow zone, reducing popcorn and increasing yeild.

1 tray with three girls now produce 32-36 zips weekly.

My perpetual grow divided by my square footage is running 1.3g per watt the best I have been able to get with or wothout techniques...so far;-)

Does de-foiliation work?

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I do believe it does for me and it can work for you if you want it too.
 

potroastV2

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We've proven very well that cutting off viable green leaves is not good for the health of the plant, and causes the plant to use energy to grow more leaves rather than flowers. Several members just will not accept that, and they continue to spout the same tired arguments, so this will never end.



:mrgreen:
 

Bud Brewer

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We've proven very well that cutting off viable green leaves is not good for the health of the plant, and causes the plant to use energy to grow more leaves rather than flowers. Several members just will not accept that, and they continue to spout the same tired arguments, so this will never end.



:mrgreen:
Nobody has proven nothing except those who have put up pictures and studies proving it works. Otherwise people have been bringing up a theory with no proof of any kind just repeating the same theory over again and again.

Removing leaf does cause the plant to use energy to grow more leaves making more budsites and leaves for flower.
 

Sir.Ganga

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We've proven very well that cutting off viable green leaves is not good for the health of the plant, and causes the plant to use energy to grow more leaves rather than flowers. Several members just will not accept that, and they continue to spout the same tired arguments, so this will never end.



:mrgreen:
Well I guess each to their own, I know what works for me. Being happy with your end results is what its all about.

What works for me may not work for you but that doesn't mean its wrong. It means you grow different....that all.
 
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