sfttailpaul
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Man, I second that! Makes me want to go elsewhere. Security! Bull Tacca' (that's short for screw those Captchas!).
FAST & CHEAP Cloning.
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Man, I second that! Makes me want to go elsewhere. Security! Bull Tacca' (that's short for screw those Captchas!).
|B3RNY|
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I'm assuming they'd be the same level of difficulty for me. I never mentioned "naked plant"s.
How about this, I'm sure everybody's cloning methods work great but not better than mine that's for sure.
To all:If you already have a cloning method- this thread isn't for you (unless you want roots faster), as I mentioned 1000 times I made this post so that new growers wouldn't be scared to try it out. My clones root fast enough that I don't care about your methods or input, if I wanted input I would have asked a question. I assume all of the trolls on RIU are little dingleberries that smoke brick pot in their bedrooms at moms house, haha. If you grow better or bigger yields and can show something for it then I might listen to you or ask for advice, I don't need advice or new methods. I have used just about every type of cloning as well as growing methods (aside from fogponics), I figured out what works best for me and I use the hell out of it. Cheers kid.
|B3RNY|
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As I said before (again) I, too, put them in the side light in my veg room. I understand that methods for tent-growers and closet-cases will have to be modified, you don't need to clone as much as I anyways because you don't have enough room for it. Growing will become much better (in general) for you once you get out of the tents.
Bashers/Trolls:
If any of the bashers here have a better method then why did you even open my thread or start looking at methods of others?
Next time I make a tutorial I'll disable the comments. You got a better method- GREAT, make a tutorial out of it (or not, who cares?) and stop looking to argue.
I mean, if you don't like what I say then don't read it, lol.
SFguy
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|B3RNY|
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Ok man, then go make your own thread about it. This is about fast and cheap cloning, just not as cheap as the cup of water method but certainly faster and cheaper than any results I've seen from a home made aerogarden.
"Clones been in the bucket cloner for like 4 days i think still lookin healthy and i havn touched anything at all since cutting it i have to check the dome daily, sarting to seem like a hassle compares to set and forget lol am i that lazy??
That's a quote from YOUR journal. So apparently even you think the dome method is simpler than the aerocloner method (except when you're trolling about.) Also, I saw your "Cheap $25 Cloner" thread, your aerocloner only holds 10 little clones;with my method and the same amount of $ you can root waaaay more clones at one time. I have 8 totes, all of which hold 20 cuttings (at least) each (making my capacity at least 160)... if you were to root the same amount of cuttings at the same time with your home made bubblers it would cost you $400 JUST FOR THE CLONERS, as well as a shitload of wasted electricity just so your cuttings can take a little longer to root. Do what you do guy, if you don't like my thread you certainly don't have to keep coming back. Your method is inferior for me, my method blows others' rooting times out of the water when I use it so maybe you're doing something wrong.
209 Cali closet grower
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bro, you know damn well it wouldn't cost that much to build one?
I thought you where going to show us with pics, about cheap cloning in 3 days?
cues
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Looks good except humidity looks too low. Are you sure your meters are correct? They are notoriously bad. My RH stays at about 90-95% in my propogator with vents closed and that's only misting once a day.
You can calibrate RH meters using the wet salt method. I use 2, calibrate them both together and they still can drift 5-10% which is a lot.
You can calibrate RH meters using the wet salt method. I use 2, calibrate them both together and they still can drift 5-10% which is a lot.
|B3RNY|
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If the aerocloner holds 10, and I can root 160 but the aerocloner costs 25 dollars then let's see: 160 divided by 10 = 16
16 times 25 = 400 dollars.
Maybe 3 days isn't right, if you're doing your math in that manner. I will post pics as soon as I take more cuttings, I'm not going to slice up my mothers immediately just to prove that my method owns aerocloners in all areas, if it didn't I would just use my aero cloners.. but they aren't as fast so they are not practical for me.
My posts clearly state that only some of my strains root in 3 days. I don't see why it's so hard to believe. Most of my cuttings take 4-7 days, it's C+ and my Skunk dominant strains that root super quickly. There isn't much of a way to prove it though, even date-stamped pictures can be produced.
|B3RNY|
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Yea, my meter is good. I don't take readings from inside the dome, those are readings from inside my room. If you mist inside the dome it will always be really high (80-95%), my bad- I should have clarified that. I'm working on a new tutorial now, as many people have pointed out areas that need to be worked on.
mike91sr
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Defensive much dude? We're contributing OTHER fast and cheap methods, nobody came in saying your method was bs or completely inferior, just that other options work just as well and have different advantages and disadvantages. If you don't want people doing that, you should start the thread by stating it, not getting mad when it happens.
But when you tout your preferred method as far superior and start listing incorrect downsides to other people's methods and attacking them, of course we are going to "troll" your thread as youre calling it, even though all we're doing is pointing out that our methods aren't so difficult, slow, or expensive as you try to make them out to be. And great, you can fit 20 clones into a tote. I fit 15 into a 5gal bucket that takes up less space. If I wanted 20 per cloner, I'd have gotten a different container or just make more. So claiming that your method is better simply because you use a bigger container doesnt really do anything for your case here...
By the way, look, my roots came out of the netpot just fine.
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|B3RNY|
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Whatever people, I'm defensive because I clearly stated that I'm not looking for other methods or advice. And yea it fucking does because your homemade aerogardens cost way more to build than the listed method. Therefore, it costs more $ to root the same amount of cuttings, called "fast and cheap" brother, not "everybody list your cloning method" because if i were interested in that I would ask, or I would read your threads. But these methods you are using aren't faster, they aren't cheaper, they weigh more, they waste electricity, you can't buy all of the required gear from kmart/walmart and for new people (what this thread directed at) don't want to waste all the time/$ on a shit ass aerocloner when they don't even know if they can do it. its the books by famous growers (greg green, jorge cervantes) that make it sound difficult to new growers because they throw in a lot of bullshit that is unneccessary. It is trolling because I said "I DON'T CARE ABOUT OR WANT YOUR ADVICE" but people continue to throw in their 2 cents, because of course every man is the smartest man in the world. I didn't ask for you to contribute a thing, just forgot to disable comments, which is why I've completely remade the tutorial somewhere else. Good luck with your aerogardens, tent titties & closet cases alike.
With those roots you'll have to be extremely careful putting them in soil or they'll be damaged. So they're ok for hydro cuts but my clones go anywhere with ease. I use net pots as well, I'm just not silly enough to try and unwrap my roots from them.
I started out polite, I'm getting defensive because this is getting really old. How about you start your own thread and call it "list all cloning methods here so we can cause unnecessary confusion and tell you mine is better."
mike91sr
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I didn't even want to turn this into something, just felt the need to point out what I saw happening, but anyway...
My clones go into both soil and hydro, which I've already mentioned. A delicate hand and they're fine. I dont know why you keep saying aerogardens, I'm using a dwc cloner. They're as light as I want them to be(use smaller containers). The timeframe is the same as what you claim(you have yet to show your roots). I dont waste electricity because I'm using 2 outlets on a pump thats running for my rdwc anyway. All my shit can be found at any department store. It took me about 30 minutes and $7 to make.
So every single criticism you just made as a blanket statement for any method that isn't yours, is wrong.
So the only person in here confusing newbies is you. Because if they only read what youre posting, theyre going to think that any method besides yours is shit. Just sayin
And I think its funny youre talking shit on everyone claiming they're a know-it-all, but youre the ONLY one in this thread bashing any method that isnt yours because, as you said, our methods are 'not better than yours thats for sure'.
I'm glad what you do works for you, and it took me a long time to finally find a method that reliably worked for me. So I dont tell people to clone(or do anything) one way or another. I merely try to make sure people know their options and have proper information before making their own decision based on the advantages and disadvantages of those options. You seem to be intent on convincing people to use your method and nobody elses. Which is fine, but like I said if thats your goal, you should open the thread by stating that.
Happy growing
My clones go into both soil and hydro, which I've already mentioned. A delicate hand and they're fine. I dont know why you keep saying aerogardens, I'm using a dwc cloner. They're as light as I want them to be(use smaller containers). The timeframe is the same as what you claim(you have yet to show your roots). I dont waste electricity because I'm using 2 outlets on a pump thats running for my rdwc anyway. All my shit can be found at any department store. It took me about 30 minutes and $7 to make.
So every single criticism you just made as a blanket statement for any method that isn't yours, is wrong.
So the only person in here confusing newbies is you. Because if they only read what youre posting, theyre going to think that any method besides yours is shit. Just sayin
And I think its funny youre talking shit on everyone claiming they're a know-it-all, but youre the ONLY one in this thread bashing any method that isnt yours because, as you said, our methods are 'not better than yours thats for sure'.
I'm glad what you do works for you, and it took me a long time to finally find a method that reliably worked for me. So I dont tell people to clone(or do anything) one way or another. I merely try to make sure people know their options and have proper information before making their own decision based on the advantages and disadvantages of those options. You seem to be intent on convincing people to use your method and nobody elses. Which is fine, but like I said if thats your goal, you should open the thread by stating that.
Happy growing
|B3RNY|
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I didn't even want to turn this into something, just felt the need to point out what I saw happening, but anyway...
My clones go into both soil and hydro, which I've already mentioned. A delicate hand and they're fine. I dont know why you keep saying aerogardens, I'm using a dwc cloner. They're as light as I want them to be(use smaller containers). The timeframe is the same as what you claim(you have yet to show your roots). I dont waste electricity because I'm using 2 outlets on a pump thats running for my rdwc anyway. All my shit can be found at any department store. It took me about 30 minutes and $7 to make.
So every single criticism you just made as a blanket statement for any method that isn't yours, is wrong.
So the only person in here confusing newbies is you. Because if they only read what youre posting, theyre going to think that any method besides yours is shit. Just sayin
And I think its funny youre talking shit on everyone claiming they're a know-it-all, but youre the ONLY one in this thread bashing any method that isnt yours because, as you said, our methods are 'not better than yours thats for sure'.
I'm glad what you do works for you, and it took me a long time to finally find a method that reliably worked for me. So I dont tell people to clone(or do anything) one way or another. I merely try to make sure people know their options and have proper information before making their own decision based on the advantages and disadvantages of those options. You seem to be intent on convincing people to use your method and nobody elses. Which is fine, but like I said if thats your goal, you should open the thread by stating that.
Happy growing
1. There's no way for a tote filled with water to be lighter than a tote with only cuttings inside.
2. Using a delicate hand means it's not AS simple as drop and go. Still simple though, I agree.
3. If you were to build an aero-cloner and buy the other items you need to begin cloning it would not be nearly as cheap. Like I said before, this is directed towards people who have yet to clone.
4. Using electricity when it's unnecessary is my idea of wasting electricity.
5. Clone totes can be stacked indefinitely, unless you have made an "aero" cloner out of them. So the space issue is also inferior here.
6. This method costs less than you would spend on an air pump alone.
I never said any method was wrong or told anybody to do anything, so I don't know where you're getting that from. I absolutely am not interested in your advice either, I've already used the other methods but this works best for ME. If you are "merely trying to make sure people know their options", then you should have made your own tutorial. The purpose of the entire tut was to encourage people and to show how FAST and CHEAP it CAN be done, so contributing something faster AND cheaper would be understandable. I'm not intent on convincing anyone of anything, do what you want. I'm not using aero-cloners anymore because the time, space and $$ involved just isn't practical for me.
Jorge Cervantes uses a method almost identical to mine, I guess he could also benefit if he could just somehow learn your method as well. Lol.
So I'm missing any advantages an aero cloner has over any other method? ..other than personal preference. They're fine if you want to buy or build one but it's 100% completely UNNECESSARY.
mike91sr
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Why do you keep talking about aerocloners?
And there you go again, using blanket statements as false downsides to other specific methods(which I've already addressed and corrected) and then insulting the people using them because of those false downsides, all while demanding that we leave your thread alone.
You have two choices with a thread where you claim that you use the fastest, cheapest, and all-around best method:
1. Let there be an open debate on a discussion board (crazy concept, I know), which means youre going to have to actually justify your stances and not just attack everyone who has something to contribute. People will express opinions, experiences, preferences, requirements, and other reasoning for their choices. Theyll also mention downsides to yours. I know you dont want to admit it, but every method has downsides, including yours. Get over it.
2. Make a tutorial that people arent allowed to discuss, but that means you cant be continuing the debate either, especially if youre not even going to be correct. Somebody has to straighten out the misconceptions youd be creating. You also cant claim that yours is the best method unless you are willing to disprove it. So youre left either allowing open debate, doing a test of every method brought forward to prove that your method is far superior, or not claiming that your method is superior to any other method(too late, and it doesnt seem like you have an interest in seeing anything other than your own opinions here)
Lastly, for someone who started a "help me with cloning" thread specifically asking about help with aerocloners a couple months ago, you sure are a know-it-all on cloning who wants to hear absolutely no outside opinions and only wants to slam aerocloners.
Theres no reason for me to continue repeating myself to a wall, so I'm done here. Good luck
And there you go again, using blanket statements as false downsides to other specific methods(which I've already addressed and corrected) and then insulting the people using them because of those false downsides, all while demanding that we leave your thread alone.
You have two choices with a thread where you claim that you use the fastest, cheapest, and all-around best method:
1. Let there be an open debate on a discussion board (crazy concept, I know), which means youre going to have to actually justify your stances and not just attack everyone who has something to contribute. People will express opinions, experiences, preferences, requirements, and other reasoning for their choices. Theyll also mention downsides to yours. I know you dont want to admit it, but every method has downsides, including yours. Get over it.
2. Make a tutorial that people arent allowed to discuss, but that means you cant be continuing the debate either, especially if youre not even going to be correct. Somebody has to straighten out the misconceptions youd be creating. You also cant claim that yours is the best method unless you are willing to disprove it. So youre left either allowing open debate, doing a test of every method brought forward to prove that your method is far superior, or not claiming that your method is superior to any other method(too late, and it doesnt seem like you have an interest in seeing anything other than your own opinions here)
Lastly, for someone who started a "help me with cloning" thread specifically asking about help with aerocloners a couple months ago, you sure are a know-it-all on cloning who wants to hear absolutely no outside opinions and only wants to slam aerocloners.
Theres no reason for me to continue repeating myself to a wall, so I'm done here. Good luck
|B3RNY|
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Awesome, that's all I wanted. I like how you tell me what my options are like you have authority over RIU or something, you're hilarious. You haven't shown any downsides to this method and even when asked you couldn't supply any advantages your methods have over mine. I believe my original post states that before this summer I was completely new to cloning, so you are correct there. I don't have to prove anything to you man, you can get over that shit. You're also right about me not wanting to hear other opinions- I already said I've tried every other method I know of, this one works the best.
You're a closet grower who tells somebody with a 4,000 watt flower room that they need a bigger air conditioning unit; I'd imagine that somebody who spent the $ on a 4,000 watt room would know a little more about what they're doing than you would. Generally a person only offers somebody advice if they have more experience than said person.
I've got all the choices I want. I posted up an even better tutorial, but don't plan on arguing there, comments are moderated; yours won't even be posted UNLESS you actually contribute something containing a pinch of logic. Every method does have downsides (congratulations on stating the more-than-obvious), mine just doesn't have as many downsides as an air stone in a bucket. I keep mentioning aero-cloners because that's the only other method that's been listed here besides those major contributors telling people they need to put their clones in a glass of water. Stick to your growing methods. Continue to weigh your yields in grams. Lofl.
kiss-ass
I just realized that you're just a kid (21 years old I'm guessing), there isn't anything you can give me advice on sweetness. I certainly won't continue to argue with you though, wish I figured that out earlier. I'm also going to assume everything you know about cannabis is what you have searched on google. Goodbye.
AzCannaMan
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So I have tried several ways to clone including Clonex gel for over $20, Hormex liquid & used Rockwool cubes, Root Riots and jilly pellets. All methods suck for me and the best success i have had is rooting my Tahoe OG (which as i understand is a MFer of a strain to root, so maybe not best one for me to be starting my own cloning on) is 3 weeks to have shitty, shitty success rate and miniscule root systems.
I have a Mondi Tray & clear dome i am going to use instead of your tote idea because I already have it so thats cheaper for me to use. I have a heat pad also, you advise against it so I WONT use it.
I made a special trip to Lowes today and they didnt have the Schultz brand... So i went to Wally world and they had it and I got it. I am going to use your method exactly and I'll post up timestamped pics for everyone here.
As I am going to be following your directions to the letter and you have talked so much shit about every other method I fully expect perfectly rooted cuttings in 3 - 7 days. Lol
Not that I doubt you; I do hope your correct and it works perfectly! Thanks for the tutorial.
I'll post up pics soon...
and happy gardening! Thanks Again! 
I have a Mondi Tray & clear dome i am going to use instead of your tote idea because I already have it so thats cheaper for me to use. I have a heat pad also, you advise against it so I WONT use it.
I made a special trip to Lowes today and they didnt have the Schultz brand... So i went to Wally world and they had it and I got it. I am going to use your method exactly and I'll post up timestamped pics for everyone here.
As I am going to be following your directions to the letter and you have talked so much shit about every other method I fully expect perfectly rooted cuttings in 3 - 7 days. Lol
Not that I doubt you; I do hope your correct and it works perfectly! Thanks for the tutorial.
I'll post up pics soon...
and happy gardening! Thanks Again!
|B3RNY|
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I average 3-9 (this does not include the day you make the cut), but the difference is 100% strain specific like I said. Critical+ will root in 3-4 days every time, DNA Lemon Skunk 4-5 days, Nirvana Northern Light 4 days. The longest I've had is 12 days on an Ak47 sativa phenotype, I think because the stems are so rough & sturdy.
The point of this was not speed but encouragement. Though if you want to do it the way I do, the time can be matched by any grower: I grow mothers exclusively in DWC hydroponics, feed at 1-2-2 (bloom-like nutrients) & top for more branches prior to cloning. Keep room temperatures at 77-ish degrees and humidity around 50% if you can, I don't test humidity inside the dome- spray it 2-3 times a day and it'll be fine. Spray mothers with plain water 20 minutes before you cut, this temporarily leaches nitrogen.
Every bit of that is optional, you can follow the tutorial on post 1 and your cuttings will root just fine & won't take anywhere near 3 weeks. Good luck! I bet you'll do multiple times better just getting rid of the heating pad, they held me back a bit in the beginning so I took it out of the method. Post up pics please! Time stamps won't help us, people will just say we altered the clocks on our cameras. Either way, you will have cheap, fast, consistent clones of your favorite plants!
The point of this was not speed but encouragement. Though if you want to do it the way I do, the time can be matched by any grower: I grow mothers exclusively in DWC hydroponics, feed at 1-2-2 (bloom-like nutrients) & top for more branches prior to cloning. Keep room temperatures at 77-ish degrees and humidity around 50% if you can, I don't test humidity inside the dome- spray it 2-3 times a day and it'll be fine. Spray mothers with plain water 20 minutes before you cut, this temporarily leaches nitrogen.
Every bit of that is optional, you can follow the tutorial on post 1 and your cuttings will root just fine & won't take anywhere near 3 weeks. Good luck! I bet you'll do multiple times better just getting rid of the heating pad, they held me back a bit in the beginning so I took it out of the method. Post up pics please! Time stamps won't help us, people will just say we altered the clocks on our cameras. Either way, you will have cheap, fast, consistent clones of your favorite plants!
AzCannaMan
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Pics worth a thousand words. I'm doing an experiment with Honey vs Schultz Take Root vs Clonex gel
Rep + if anyone likes this experiment. Will update with date stamped pics as we go!
Rep + if anyone likes this experiment. Will update with date stamped pics as we go!
AzCannaMan
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Here is my thread I started for the experiment so I dont hijack your thread. Updates will be posted there.
https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-m...-experement-honey-vs-schultz.html#post7881963
https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-m...-experement-honey-vs-schultz.html#post7881963
|B3RNY|
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Nice! I'm really interested in the honey method, I'd never heard of such things before I started this thread. I have used my method with no rooting hormone at all though, with nearly the same results. That's why I started dipping them in water a 2nd time to remove excess powder, that seemed to increase my rooting times a tid-bit. I will sub to your thread though, this is my revised tutorial (which is essentially the same thing, only worded better & more organized)- https://www.rollitup.org/blogs/blog23811-b3rnys-cloning-method.html ...I've been at it (growing) for quite a while but I never cloned anything until this past summer, I still have yet to use anything besides the rooting powder; it's just too cheap to pass up!
+ Rep man, a very interesting post.