Fellow advanced PH perfect users

I am using a RDWC system. I want to know from all you other guys using advanced pH perfect. What nutrients are you guys music are you following the charts or are you doing your own thing with buying certain ones and not others. I am asking because I know some of them can get pricey and from what I'm seeing some may not be needed

I use only advanced nutrients. for veg i use micro, grow, bloom, calmag (advanced version), voodoo juice, and b52.

for flower i use micro, grow, bloom, voodoo juice, calmag (advance version), b52, bud igniter, big bud, overdrive, bud candy, and the flawless finish for the last week.

my next run im thinking of throwing in rhino skin also, should help with health issue's as a preventative thing.

my experience has always been top notch, but i only run 16 plants in 2gallon pots and water with 1/2 gallon every 5 days slowly ramping from 200-1600 ppm as they mature every week and have never had any problems and get just over a pound with my 600w tent.

since i am running only 16 plants and follow their feeding schedule (i keep a graph on a whiteboard everytime i water and with what and ppm for reference) i dont have buy large amounts of their nutrients, probably spend around 200 dollars every run at the most.

In reply to the title of this thread: "We should all go out and find a better nutrient line that doesn't have a shit ton of watered down, overpriced bottles of "make the owner rich" science..."

You're being ripped off. Funny/Sad part, is that you don't know it!

You can do better for less, with less!

I can't believe all the names companies like advanced nutrients come up with for watered down mono potassium phosphate and other chemicals that they put in a bottle with a fancy label.

Bud igniter = derived from monopotassium phosphate.
Bud candy = Magnesium nitrate. Epsom salts/magnesium sulphate is a much cheaper way to add magnesium
B52 = derived from monopotassium phosphate
Big bud = derived from potassium sulphate and potassium phosphate - monopotassium phosphate + magnesium sulfate will provide basically the same nutrients
Overdrive = derived from magnesium phosphate, potassium nitrate, potassium phosphate, magnesium sulfate - monopotassium phosphate + magnesium sulfate will provide basically the same nutrients
Flawless finish = derived from Magnesium EDTA, magnesium sulfate basically epsom salts/magnesium sulfate

Six bottles of overpriced water that can basically be replicated with monopotassium phosphate and magnesium sulfate aka epsom salts. Advanced does throw a couple pennies worth of seaweed or kelp extract in.
$200 a grow for sixteen plants? I can grow hundreds of plants over the course of several years and not spend that on nutes. And my plants grow without any issues because I'm not dumping a bunch of unnecessary stuff on them and not over fertilizing them by following a feeding chart designed to get people to use as much of the product as possible without killing the plant so people will by more. You don't need twelve bottles of stuff to flower cannabis.

Try the Botanicare KIND line...... I'm impressed with it and I'm only playing with it for fun...

I up-pot with 30 day feeding soil. I don't "need" the grow.
I use only the BASE and BLOOM. - $35 A GALLON apiece.
I use only 2 supplements in blooming. I make both of those..

Botanicare Sweet Raw = $65 a gallon - I make it myself for less then a buck a gallon!

Terpinator/Resinator = As much as over $100 a gallon - I make a 6% solution I like better for less then $5 a gallon.

Nothing else....

91 Chem Dog using the KIND and only my 2 supplements - close to harvest (waiting on the amber to spread - This strain is one of only a few I have that actually ambers). These are end "mains" from mid plant branch's..

Chiefdog said:

I am using a RDWC system. I want to know from all you other guys using advanced pH perfect. What nutrients are you guys music are you following the charts or are you doing your own thing with buying certain ones and not others. I am asking because I know some of them can get pricey and from what I'm seeing some may not be needed

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High Chiefdog

I started doing DWC in 2001 with AN nutes long before it became pH Perfect and was quite reluctant to take that step but happy I did.

I never fell for all the hype about using all their additives and also glad I didn't do that too. I've never followed their nute calculator and if you do you will fry your plants. I've had friends in various forums that did and disaster resulted.

My first pH Perfect nutes where the Sensi for veg and Connoisseur for flowering and tho they worked well I felt they were supplying too much N in flower and I'd end up getting fried leaves starting around the 5th week of flower. I've since got more into the effects of Vapour Pressure Deficit and now think that my chronic low humidity is more likely the culprit. The plants are just processing much more water than they should if the RH was corrected and as a result are taking in a lot more nutes than they can use. Thus the toxic salts buildup and fried leaves.

Rather than get into a humidifier big enough to raise my RH I'm going to try using a semi-sealed grow room idea with CO2 added so my exhaust fan rarely has to turn on and the humidity can build up from what the plants transpire. Bought the CO2 controller a month ago but having problems sourcing tanks of CO2 but may get that worked out next week when I visit a buddy that works in a hydro store in the city a couple hours away. Expensive stuff these days and it will cost around $125 for each tank refill for the tank size I have and as I got it thru less-than-legal means I can't just go to the outfit that it belongs to and get a refill. I might just get back into brewing my own alcohol mash to supply CO2 and use the controller with the solenoid to mange the output.

Back to the nutes. I got gallon jugs of the 3-part for $40 each and along with that I use Rhino Skin at low doses from the very beginning and don't wait until flowering time. Big Bud has been my go-to bud booster since they started making it and I add a half dose of that about a week before I flip to flower to "prime the pump".

I got a small bottle of Bud Ignitor a year ago and tested it using identical clones for a good standard and saw absolutely no difference so I won't be buying that again. A month ago I was out in BC and got a free 500ml bottle of Bud Factor X that I'll be experimenting with to see if it has any real value. I know 3 guys using it with RDWC systems and they swear it makes a big difference to bud size and resin output so it will cost me nothing to find out for sure.

I start clones for DWC in RubberMaid tubs around 300ppm then boost the ppm as the plants get established and start growing faster by adding small amounts of nutes in the proper ratio directly to the tubs. Depending on the strain I may have them up to 1000 or so by the time I'm ready to flower. A week before flipping I'll add more Bloom, Big Bud and some CalMag that is not AN. I never use beneficial bacteria but have a DIY chiller to keep the temps around 65-68F and am not adverse to tossing in some food grade peroxide should here be a hint of anything going wonky with the roots. After the stretch I may do their first nute change but have often run from clone to harvest without actually ever changing the nutes and it seems to work just as well. I may pump out half a tub and replace it with lower doses of flowering mix to lower the ppm the last couple weeks. My PPM pen reads on the Hanna scale, .7, as there is a difference when talking PPM-EC.

RO or distilled water only to make it all work the best as well. Minerals in tap water throw everything off and then you have to change the rez way more often to prevent major problems. Then you're tossing out perfectly good nutes and wasting time, effort and money.

Good luck with yours!

Dr. Who said:

In reply to the title of this thread: "We should all go out and find a better nutrient line that doesn't have a shit ton of watered down, overpriced bottles of "make the owner rich" science..."

You're being ripped off. Funny/Sad part, is that you don't know it!

You can do better for less, with less!

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What do you suggest?

xtsho said:

I can't believe all the names companies like advanced nutrients come up with for watered down mono potassium phosphate and other chemicals that they put in a bottle with a fancy label.

Bud igniter = derived from monopotassium phosphate.
Bud candy = Magnesium nitrate. Epsom salts/magnesium sulphate is a much cheaper way to add magnesium
B52 = derived from monopotassium phosphate
Big bud = derived from potassium sulphate and potassium phosphate - monopotassium phosphate + magnesium sulfate will provide basically the same nutrients
Overdrive = derived from magnesium phosphate, potassium nitrate, potassium phosphate, magnesium sulfate - monopotassium phosphate + magnesium sulfate will provide basically the same nutrients
Flawless finish = derived from Magnesium EDTA, magnesium sulfate basically epsom salts/magnesium sulfate

Six bottles of overpriced water that can basically be replicated with monopotassium phosphate and magnesium sulfate aka epsom salts. Advanced does throw a couple pennies worth of seaweed or kelp extract in.
$200 a grow for sixteen plants? I can grow hundreds of plants over the course of several years and not spend that on nutes. And my plants grow without any issues because I'm not dumping a bunch of unnecessary stuff on them and not over fertilizing them by following a feeding chart designed to get people to use as much of the product as possible without killing the plant so people will by more. You don't need twelve bottles of stuff to flower cannabis.

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Can you tell me how to do about making these on my own?

Chiefdog said:

What do you suggest?

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Botanicare KIND line.
Emerald Forrest 3 part. (not the 2 part with supplements)
Hesi - Drop the "ROOT and Super VIT" and simply substitute Kelp extract at 5 ml a gallon.
Canna.

The Botanicare and the EF are really nice lines. Infinitely adjustable to strain needs!
With the KIND I supplement some of my home made K sulfate supplement and a bit of a Mg sulfate supplement to balance the terp enhancements to keep the strain smelling and tasting "natural" to it's self.

The EF needs NO K supplementation but, I might do just a itty bit of K sulfate for the first 5-6 weeks.

Chiefdog said:

Can you tell me how to do about making these on my own?

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You don't need all that crap!

"I" don't "need" to do the supplementing of my Mg&K sulfate's either. I choose to up my K2SO4 and then balance that with MgSO4 to get what "I" want out of the end result.

All that other crap that AN puts together, is simply separating bottles of basically the same shit at differing ratios to add more things for them to "make money from!"
Their claims of what they do, and how well they do it.... Is HUGELY overblown!

Questions?

Dr. Who said:

Botanicare KIND line.
Emerald Forrest 3 part. (not the 2 part with supplements)
Hesi - Drop the "ROOT and Super VIT" and simply substitute Kelp extract at 5 ml a gallon.
Canna.

The Botanicare and the EF are really nice lines. Infinitely adjustable to strain needs!
With the KIND I supplement some of my home made K sulfate supplement and a bit of a Mg sulfate supplement to balance the terp enhancements to keep the strain smelling and tasting "natural" to it's self.

The EF needs NO K supplementation but, I might do just a itty bit of K sulfate for the first 5-6 weeks.



You don't need all that crap!

"I" don't "need" to do the supplementing of my Mg&K sulfate's either. I choose to up my K2SO4 and then balance that with MgSO4 to get what "I" want out of the end result.

All that other crap that AN puts together, is simply separating bottles of basically the same shit at differing ratios to add more things for them to "make money from!"
Their claims of what they do, and how well they do it.... Is HUGELY overblown!

Questions?

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I was looking at EH three part as I'm switching back to my RDWC setup looks like it be way cheaper considering I have a huge Rez and my buckets for my setup are 13 gal. Can't wait switch back for a bit just a good change of pace!

There are so many different nute lines out and for my old, lazy butt AN sits on top for the so-called watered down nute lines that fits my bill.

I've used AN for 16 years and tried a few others side-by-side along the way and have a dozen half full bottles of those kicking around because they are crap. GH is the crappiest.

As I had the old AN 3-part still I was reluctant to try the pH Perfect replacements as I was used to the usual, Top up the tub, test ppm and pH then make adjustments to lower pH and keep the ppm in my target zone.

PITA but worked for 13 years and gave me consistent and reproducible results every freaking time.

Was running out of Grow so decided to get some pH Perfect stuff and whoo-hoo it worked great and I retired my pH pen soon after. DWC or soilless worked f'n great and I never had to bother with pH. Never, ever had had problems with lock-outs or deficiency problems so what does that say?

I never use nothing but RO or distilled water and that's something that makes it all work pH Perfect.

People that hate on AN but have never used it, STFU as you sound like Trump. All sound with no intelligence. You may know about what you've used but talk to the hand about what you haven't tried in an honest side-by-side comparison. I'm trained as a chemist with a serious understanding of how scientific principles work and every single grow out of hundreds has some kind of experimentation built into it. At least 50 DWC grows with over 500 plants has taught me a few things. Hundreds more plants in soil/soilless using the same nutes.

I'm a hobby grower and not some production line slave so I'm sure when you include economies of scale I fail badly but that's not my goal. KISS is the way I've strived to grow since '78 and I'm getting close to Nirvana for me. Profiteers with pot can FOAD AFAIC. I'm selling my spare for $5g CAN/$4US. Beat that price! We're talking maybe 2oz/mth tho I'm scaling up to maybe an lb/mth and mostly hi-CBD strains.

I give away more than I sell and get just enough to cover my costs and if your goal is profit over compassion for those in need then please FOAD ASAP.

It amazes me how many people will hate on AN for making a decent profit but giving their money to scumbag companies owned by Scotts/Monsatan/Bayer is OK and to be lauded. I shake my head so often about that I need a chiropractor.

All these new nute companies are just stealing research done by previous companies and their crap is no better than the old crap. No different than our Canadian gov't approved Legal Producers that have stolen hard won genetics from really decent breeders and sell them under new names to gov't approved patients. Profit over compassion will never get a single dollar out of me!

Or not. Depending on where your values lie.

OldMedUser said:

There are so many different nute lines out and for my old, lazy butt AN sits on top for the so-called watered down nute lines that fits my bill.

I've used AN for 16 years and tried a few others side-by-side along the way and have a dozen half full bottles of those kicking around because they are crap. GH is the crappiest.

As I had the old AN 3-part still I was reluctant to try the pH Perfect replacements as I was used to the usual, Top up the tub, test ppm and pH then make adjustments to lower pH and keep the ppm in my target zone.

PITA but worked for 13 years and gave me consistent and reproducible results every freaking time.

Was running out of Grow so decided to get some pH Perfect stuff and whoo-hoo it worked great and I retired my pH pen soon after. DWC or soilless worked f'n great and I never had to bother with pH. Never, ever had had problems with lock-outs or deficiency problems so what does that say?

I never use nothing but RO or distilled water and that's something that makes it all work pH Perfect.

People that hate on AN but have never used it, STFU as you sound like Trump. All sound with no intelligence. You may know about what you've used but talk to the hand about what you haven't tried in an honest side-by-side comparison. I'm trained as a chemist with a serious understanding of how scientific principles work and every single grow out of hundreds has some kind of experimentation built into it. At least 50 DWC grows with over 500 plants has taught me a few things. Hundreds more plants in soil/soilless using the same nutes.

I'm a hobby grower and not some production line slave so I'm sure when you include economies of scale I fail badly but that's not my goal. KISS is the way I've strived to grow since '78 and I'm getting close to Nirvana for me. Profiteers with pot can FOAD AFAIC. I'm selling my spare for $5g CAN/$4US. Beat that price! We're talking maybe 2oz/mth tho I'm scaling up to maybe an lb/mth and mostly hi-CBD strains.

I give away more than I sell and get just enough to cover my costs and if your goal is profit over compassion for those in need then please FOAD ASAP.

It amazes me how many people will hate on AN for making a decent profit but giving their money to scumbag companies owned by Scotts/Monsatan/Bayer is OK and to be lauded. I shake my head so often about that I need a chiropractor.

All these new nute companies are just stealing research done by previous companies and their crap is no better than the old crap. No different than our Canadian gov't approved Legal Producers that have stolen hard won genetics from really decent breeders and sell them under new names to gov't approved patients. Profit over compassion will never get a single dollar out of me!

Or not. Depending on where your values lie.

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I never said AN didn't work.

Add up the price of all those AN thingy's you use.

Now then. 1 Gallon of Botanicare KIND - bloom or base (don't need the grow)...I pay $31 a gallon. My supplements that I make cost a total of less then $5 for them (gallons).

$67 total for the life of those gallons. Naturally the supplements last longer as you use less, about half.

You would rather pay for water and combinations of things that you simply don't need? And total well over the other cost.

As far as Scott's goes. They see the light, they diversified their holdings to catch the next big legal market. The real big thing is that Monsanto - does not own Scotts.
Scott's has not "changed" anything. but the ownership of the companies they bought.

I know why you fear Monsatan. But they own NO patents for MJ genetic's.....Nor intend to!
This is from VICE NATION

"Rumors that Monsanto had started doing so forced the company to post a standing denialon its website. "Monsanto has not and is not working on GMO marijuana," the company says. "This allegation is an Internet rumor."

The firm "has no plans for working on cultivating cannabis," said Charla Lord, a spokesperson for Monsanto.

Representatives of big tobacco companies also said that their businesses aren't interested in pot. Brian May, spokesperson for Altria, which controls the Marlboro and Parliament brands through its subsidiary Philip Morris USA, said, "Our position is marijuana remains illegal under federal law, and Altria's companies have no plans to sell marijuana-based products."

Those denials haven't been enough to quiet concern in the American marijuana industry about what may happen on the intellectual property frontier if and when legalization spreads across the country."
https://news.vice.com/article/a-patent-for-cannabis-plants-is-already-a-reality-and-more-are-expected-to-follow

Just who is the evil overlord company doing that?
That my friend is Biotech Institute LLC. These are the real scumbags of the cannabis world!
https://www.dailymarijuanaobserver.com/single-post/2017/05/19/The-First-Strain-Patent-Ever-Granted

Then there is the Genome project that is collecting all the available genetic profiles of strains. It's said that they have direct relations with this Biotech institute....They now have access to control around half or more of the genetic's of known cannabis strains...

I just fucking read something somewhere else about this exact thing and the alarms being raised on this "Genome Project" and Biotech LLC.......

I farm, I HATE MONSATAN.

I'm not a fan of Scott's turf products either.

I'm not willing to condemn 2 of the most revered nutrient lines there has ever been (in our growing and in commercial hydroponics and the development of it), just because some one you may not *like* who bought the company.

You choose to do what you do for your reasons - FINE then, do it.

But don't condemn the messenger for telling a story you like to ignore. AN cheats you out of your money. That fact alone is more TRUMPian then anyone spreading the truth many choose to not see!
You can do it just as well as, if not better for less, with less!

Oh, BTW. The guy who developed Em Harvest. Was AN's head of R&D. HE built the products on order of the owner. When AN was a sinking ship internally (Mass firing's and quiting's in R&D over the fact OF the cheating and the sexual issues of the owner) He decided to leave the company and start his own.....I've met the guy, He had Big Mike's girlfriend on HIS arm! Everybody was leaving Mike..
He began with the 3 part. Initial reports came back from novice users asking for "more parts" so they can "do better"..SAY WHAT?... Uneducated and unable to figure out how to use differing amounts of each of the 3 products to get what they desired.
Led him, by pressure of idiot's. To put out the 2 part with a bunch of supplements. WTF? Dyna Grow had to do the same thing. Conform to demand or loose market share.

All because some greedy moron figured out a way to do some shady marketing and make overblown, and basically untrue product claims.....

The mass's of blind idiots, jumping into growing pot (for what ever reason) ate up those "You need this level to start, then this, and this, and this......The only MASTER thing that idea did was make a CROOK rich......Now THAT sounds like TRUMP!

Do I sound pissed off? Your thinly veiled pointing to me here.

OldMedUser said:

People that hate on AN but have never used it, STFU as you sound like Trump.

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I tried it. NOT impressed at all...
I hate TRUMP more then anything! AND Big Mike is the Monsanto of nutrient companies.....Think about that carefully.....

Again, as I often say when speaking from my soap box on AN.

Yes, it works. But your being cheated out of your money!
You know why but, make up excuse's to still use it...

Lastly, on PH perfect.....AN is not the only line out there that is pH neutral, that, is a better way to say it....

I respect your growing.
Not your opinion on nutrients.

No biggie! I still respect YOU.

Peace on fellow old guy.....

OldMedUser said:

I give away more than I sell and get just enough to cover my costs and if your goal is profit over compassion for those in need then please FOAD ASAP.

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Making profit from the medicine you should "Fuck Off And Die"

OldMedUser said:

It amazes me how many people will hate on AN for making a decent profit

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Making large profits from the compounds used to make the medicine, "no problem"

OldMedUser said:

Profit over compassion will never get a single dollar out of me!

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Wonder what percentage of of med patients have a script because they actually need it and those who have it so they can grow, possess, and get high legally? I'd bet the latter to be higher.

I guess the sick and needy never used cannabis until a doctor recommended it to them. Otherwise they would've contributed to the black market themselves at some point and would have to get off their high horse about profit and compassion.

It's great that you donate more than you sell, but you're a hobby grower. People selling it are in business like any other, for profit. It doesn't make them evil or greedy trumptards. It's amazing since medical legalization the sense of entitlement in people for free meds. Walk into foot locker and tell them your feet hurt so you deserve free sneakers see what happens.

Dr. Who said:

Try the Botanicare KIND line...... I'm impressed with it and I'm only playing with it for fun...

I up-pot with 30 day feeding soil. I don't "need" the grow.
I use only the BASE and BLOOM. - $35 A GALLON apiece.
I use only 2 supplements in blooming. I make both of those..

Botanicare Sweet Raw = $65 a gallon - I make it myself for less then a buck a gallon!

Terpinator/Resinator = As much as over $100 a gallon - I make a 6% solution I like better for less then $5 a gallon.

Nothing else....

91 Chem Dog using the KIND and only my 2 supplements - close to harvest (waiting on the amber to spread - This strain is one of only a few I have that actually ambers). These are end "mains" from mid plant branch's..View attachment 4023064 View attachment 4023065

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whole heap of Blood clot ,Bud Porn Jha bless The who

Must Admit i still use Big Bud ,Along with Canna.I was using Pk 13/14,But i have found it has become a Nightmare clogging all the pipe work ,smelling Rank ,So looking for a new Pk spike to use along with Canna Line.I'm pretty sure its canna pk 13/14 that has cost me my Old school Cheese Strain.

tyke1973 said:

Must Admit i still use Big Bud ,Along with Canna.I was using Pk 13/14,But i have found it has become a Nightmare clogging all the pipe work ,smelling Rank ,So looking for a new Pk spike to use along with Canna Line.I'm pretty sure its canna pk 13/14 that has cost me my Old school Cheese Strain.

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You might try Hesi's P/K for hydro.

Cleanest hydro nutrient line I ever ran.....Loved it.

Dr. Who said:

Botanicare KIND line.
Emerald Forrest 3 part. (not the 2 part with supplements)
Hesi - Drop the "ROOT and Super VIT" and simply substitute Kelp extract at 5 ml a gallon.
Canna.

The Botanicare and the EF are really nice lines. Infinitely adjustable to strain needs!
With the KIND I supplement some of my home made K sulfate supplement and a bit of a Mg sulfate supplement to balance the terp enhancements to keep the strain smelling and tasting "natural" to it's self.

The EF needs NO K supplementation but, I might do just a itty bit of K sulfate for the first 5-6 weeks.



You don't need all that crap!

"I" don't "need" to do the supplementing of my Mg&K sulfate's either. I choose to up my K2SO4 and then balance that with MgSO4 to get what "I" want out of the end result.

All that other crap that AN puts together, is simply separating bottles of basically the same shit at differing ratios to add more things for them to "make money from!"
Their claims of what they do, and how well they do it.... Is HUGELY overblown!

Questions?

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Yes can you it give me recipe? Will I have ph?

227 grams of potassium sulfate
1.5 tsp of dark brown sugar (just use the sugar - no molasses)
Mix in 1 gallon of RO water

8 TBL of Epsom salts
1.5 tsp of Dark Brown sugar
1 gallon of RO
Be sure the Epsom dissolves - might biol 4 cops of water and add the 12 cups to cool it, then jug it - use an opaque jug.

10 ml of each per gallon of feed.

Ph it when all mixed in the feed and adjust if needed.....

OldMedUser said:

There are so many different nute lines out and for my old, lazy butt AN sits on top for the so-called watered down nute lines that fits my bill.

I've used AN for 16 years and tried a few others side-by-side along the way and have a dozen half full bottles of those kicking around because they are crap. GH is the crappiest.

As I had the old AN 3-part still I was reluctant to try the pH Perfect replacements as I was used to the usual, Top up the tub, test ppm and pH then make adjustments to lower pH and keep the ppm in my target zone.

PITA but worked for 13 years and gave me consistent and reproducible results every freaking time.

Was running out of Grow so decided to get some pH Perfect stuff and whoo-hoo it worked great and I retired my pH pen soon after. DWC or soilless worked f'n great and I never had to bother with pH. Never, ever had had problems with lock-outs or deficiency problems so what does that say?

I never use nothing but RO or distilled water and that's something that makes it all work pH Perfect.

People that hate on AN but have never used it, STFU as you sound like Trump. All sound with no intelligence. You may know about what you've used but talk to the hand about what you haven't tried in an honest side-by-side comparison. I'm trained as a chemist with a serious understanding of how scientific principles work and every single grow out of hundreds has some kind of experimentation built into it. At least 50 DWC grows with over 500 plants has taught me a few things. Hundreds more plants in soil/soilless using the same nutes.

I'm a hobby grower and not some production line slave so I'm sure when you include economies of scale I fail badly but that's not my goal. KISS is the way I've strived to grow since '78 and I'm getting close to Nirvana for me. Profiteers with pot can FOAD AFAIC. I'm selling my spare for $5g CAN/$4US. Beat that price! We're talking maybe 2oz/mth tho I'm scaling up to maybe an lb/mth and mostly hi-CBD strains.

I give away more than I sell and get just enough to cover my costs and if your goal is profit over compassion for those in need then please FOAD ASAP.

It amazes me how many people will hate on AN for making a decent profit but giving their money to scumbag companies owned by Scotts/Monsatan/Bayer is OK and to be lauded. I shake my head so often about that I need a chiropractor.

All these new nute companies are just stealing research done by previous companies and their crap is no better than the old crap. No different than our Canadian gov't approved Legal Producers that have stolen hard won genetics from really decent breeders and sell them under new names to gov't approved patients. Profit over compassion will never get a single dollar out of me!

Or not. Depending on where your values lie.

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LOL
Your hypocrisy is palpable.