Feminized vs Regular seeds

tyke1973 said:

Seems to be a lot of people dissing greenhouse for seeds turning,i have done plenty of there seeds with very few turning on me and the ones that did turn was me pushing them too far week wise,greenhouse get a lot of bad press,mainly through arjon been full of him self calling him self the king of cannabis ext,but they had a lot to do with the femming of seeds and was one of the very first to do it,

I would all ways go with regular seeds,for the reason they can take far more then a fem seed,by this i mean pushing them to there very limits,

To be honest i would advice every single grower new to the scene to start to grow with regular seeds,not fem.

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I have grown lots of both over the years and really have no issues with fems being "weaker". As for Green House, I had one strain herm and one was shit so stopped using them, perhaps not a great sampling lol, but I'm impatient lol. Is there scientific evidence that regs are "stronger"? Not saying there is or isn't, just curious, I've never looked. Sorry this is edited later, but why would you push any plant to its limits? Seems counterproductive to me.

regular seeds are defo stronger that is for sure because for the reason that they have to go through stress the mother to produce fem seeds,

with regular seeds the plants are not put under any stress just pick out all the females and pick the one you like the look of ,you could keep this mother around for years this is not possible with fem,well it is poss to keep a mother but far more chance of seeds in the long run

Also once you have got a mother of a reg seed then you can clone knowing that the clones will pretty much grow,the same has the mother they was taken of,

I have cloned fem mothers and you will all ways end up with seeds might be a few but they will increase the longer the mother is kept.

And i think green house are by far the best at femming seeds ihave done alot i mean a lot of fem when i first started and greenhouse was the most stable

I'll have a look and see if there is more than just observation and conjecture to prove they are stronger. Like I said not sure you are right or wrong but it would be nice to see an actual study. I did see a high times side by with AK47 and the femmed actually produced more lol. Does that count as a study lol?

Darth Vapour said:

months n months ?? only take 5 - 6 weeks to sex from germ literally what 3 weeks of actual veg anyone growing fems is cheating themselfs of actual grow knowledge

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Lot's of strains you're missing out on because of your view of fem'ed seeds.
I grow mostly OG's and whether I
Like it or not, lot's of them are not available as regs. I start both actually
It definately does save some veg space too.

Oh, and Darth Vapour, I've been growing for
more than 20 yrs. Do you consider me a NOOB because I mess around with femmed beans also?

Darth Vapour said:

Fem seeds are for NOOBS that couldn't tell a male sack from a crack lol

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What a load of bollucks

I don't know where this "stronger" statement comes from either?
The only real difference I've seen over the years is that S1's will yield better...

Doc

I like fems but prefer regs. Getting some males to produce more of the same line easily or making crosses is much more rewarding to me than just growing for bud.

Making fem seeds with colodial silver is easy, just not my preferred method.

People slamming fems are actually the ones short on growing knowledge. There is no inherent weakness in a fem seed, If you dont like fem seeds for some reason then you are permitted to have a bias to what you use but saying they are for noobs is ignorance of facts. Those who say regs are sooo superior are just trying to act all elite and shit. Its a no fucking brainer to pop 10 fems and look at them like "yup, all female. Now i can carry on putting all my work into these" As opposed to wasting weeks of space,nutes,medium,electricity on males. I mean WTF?

Darth Vapour said:

months n months ?? only take 5 - 6 weeks to sex from germ literally what 3 weeks of actual veg anyone growing fems is cheating themselfs of actual grow knowledge

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how long is 6 weeks, in my books, that's two months, which equates to months and months

Darth Vapour said:

months n months ?? only take 5 - 6 weeks to sex from germ literally what 3 weeks of actual veg anyone growing fems is cheating themselfs of actual grow knowledge

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Your actually dead wrong. Is it that hard for you to understand that for some people running females with an excellent success rate is what works for them ?
Its an already beat to death argument whether or not reg seeds are somehow genetically superior to fem seeds. I already know the answers to all that.

I avoided using fem seeds when they were initially made available. I was leery.
After several years I decided to give some a try.
Some strains that I wanted to try only offered fem seeds.
Never had any problems with them. And I realized that they enable me to be able to try more strains in the same grow area.
I do not like to run any less than five seeds of any strain in order give it a better chance to show me what it's got genetically.
I now do not hesitate to buy fem seeds.
I have been growing since the '70s.

Since the introduction of feminized seeds what we never herd of nanners, hermies have come into play tri fold and how come so much ??? you got it feminized seeds
i love how many people say Monsanto is evil yet look at feminized seeds a nothing wrong with them truth is whats the difference its GMO product you modified the genetics with silver which yields better ??? well tests have shown Reg seeds have the winning edge

But lets get into Fem seeds deep into ,, first off when you look into the DNA , what you have done is cut the genetic material in half
when you do this many things come into play for one the plant will not evolve cannot fight disease or new pathogens cause you froze that ability ..
Truth is As for S1's is your rolling the dice yes you can get lucky and most definitely you will see mutants its a guessing game
truthfully speaking so lets wait for todays new thread is this a hermie or nanner ???? and whats to odds there fem seeds //
Fem seeds are a abomination of the seed pool , a sales Gimmic nothing more
they make it sound so good who needs to worry about 50 / 50 ratio of male or fem seeds we can give you 90 percent ,, female rate haha so that person who throws out his big out door 1000 plant grow starts crying 3 - 6th week in when all the so called fem seeds start throwing nanners / or hermie on him

feminizing seeds does nothing to the dna of a plant to make it turn hermie.. it's the parents, not the fem'ing process that determines how stable a strain is.. garbage in, garbage out, but the same hold's true for regular seeds as well as fems.. if you start out with a hermie prone strain, it doesn't matter if you make regular seeds from it, or fems, and same is true if you use stable genetics..
again, it's the parents, not the fem process that determines if the offspring will be stable or not, kind of like people, oddly enough..

Aeroknow said:

Lot's of strains you're missing out on because of your view of fem'ed seeds.
I grow mostly OG's and whether I
Like it or not, lot's of them are not available as regs. I start both actually
It definately does save some veg space too.

Oh, and Darth Vapour, I've been growing for
more than 20 yrs. Do you consider me a NOOB because I mess around with femmed beans also?

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thats the problem companies are doing this on purpose i have reg OG beans in my vault all i deal with is reg beans an why to make sure i have a female and a more stable strain
You know i am tried of this well hermies are natural BS i live north o the 60th parallel wanna talk about stressing a plant from -2 - 35 temps to drought to major down pours from 80 mph winds to nothing and guess what never ever have i seen a plant naturally hermie on me and trust me i have tried with some elite strains NEVER
whats the odds if i had a fem seed grown plant it would ???

racerboy71 said:

feminizing seeds does nothing to the dna of a plant to make it turn hermie.. it's the parents, not the fem'ing process that determines how stable a strain is.. garbage in, garbage out, but the same hold's true for regular seeds as well as fems.. if you start out with a hermie prone strain, it doesn't matter if you make regular seeds from it, or fems, and same is true if you use stable genetics..
again, it's the parents, not the fem process that determines if the offspring will be stable or not, kind of like people, oddly enough..

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its what parents the female end of the parent ?? where is the other parent in the equation ???

Darth Vapour said:

its what parents the female end of the parent ?? where is the other parent in the equation ???

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doesn't matter, so long as what you start with is stable..

Darth Vapour said:

thats the problem companies are doing this on purpose i have reg OG beans in my vault all i deal with is reg beans an why to make sure i have a female and a more stable strain
You know i am tried of this well hermies are natural BS i live north o the 60th parallel wanna talk about stressing a plant from -2 - 35 temps to drought to major down pours from 80 mph winds to nothing and guess what never ever have i seen a plant naturally hermie on me and trust me i have tried with some elite strains NEVER
whats the odds if i had a fem seed grown plant it would ???

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look up rhodelisation and get back to us

racerboy71 said:

how long is 6 weeks, in my books, that's two months, which equates to months and months

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In theory 6 weeks is a month and a half there's 8 weeks in 2 months just saying

Although Fem seeds have gotten better over the years they still throw a cluster fuck at times Genetic drift again i believe after few generations will occur i have had clone from clone from clone from reg seeds 10 + years and seen it first hand plants get weaker yields diminish, disease more or less finds its way possibly through the billions of organisms in soil air and water
The same rule will apply with fem seeds but at a faster rate
I am curious if anyone here has a fem clone from a clone from a clone that is 10 years old ??? Anyone
So i think as you literally took away mother natures way ( Evolution ) of fighting it vs regular seeds if growing from seeds that is
with all this said above And to be honest i really don't give a crap who grows what
i have been in this game long enough to know that most big grow op's do not use fem seeds and it may take some looking for males 5 - 8 week in veg but once you got them all your set and the game begins
With a good yielding strain low flowering days the 9 - 10 - 11 week strains are the last thing a commercial, grower wants to dam long. and even for the average grower worried about power usage same thing applies
Here is example

Purple kush fem - flowering time 8 - 10 weeks
purple kush reg - flowering time 45 - 55 days 7 - 8 weeks why such a difference see where i am getting at

Its funny though,,, i see people scream and flame Monsato for there Genetically modified products specially in Europe yet Europe or the dutch came up with Feminized seeds lol
Do fem seeds not fall under that same category,,,,, you pretty much done the same god dam thing with out the terminator gene but wait a minute
Some MJ strains already have the terminator gene in it Diablos pink kush for example
but at the end of the day i really do not give shit again at what you grow,, how you grow truthfully with new laws in place in Europe