Feminized vs Regular seeds

Darth Vapour said:

oh i take it your a noob fem grower then ?? cause you feel insulted ...
But really break it down as to why FEMS were really introduced Do you know really why ?? i do do you know who was the first company to introduce FEMS and for which market they were designed for ?? probably not cause sorry your a nooob
until you figure it out NOOB then you can go ahead and call me witless jack ass you fucking meat head

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tyke1973 said:

regular seeds are defo stronger that is for sure because for the reason that they have to go through stress the mother to produce fem seeds,

with regular seeds the plants are not put under any stress just pick out all the females and pick the one you like the look of ,you could keep this mother around for years this is not possible with fem,well it is poss to keep a mother but far more chance of seeds in the long run

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Darth Vapour said:

Since the introduction of feminized seeds what we never herd of nanners, hermies have come into play tri fold and how come so much ??? you got it feminized seeds
i love how many people say Monsanto is evil yet look at feminized seeds a nothing wrong with them truth is whats the difference its GMO product you modified the genetics with silver which yields better ??? well tests have shown Reg seeds have the winning edge

But lets get into Fem seeds deep into ,, first off when you look into the DNA , what you have done is cut the genetic material in half
when you do this many things come into play for one the plant will not evolve cannot fight disease or new pathogens cause you froze that ability ..
Truth is As for S1's is your rolling the dice yes you can get lucky and most definitely you will see mutants its a guessing game
truthfully speaking so lets wait for todays new thread is this a hermie or nanner ???? and whats to odds there fem seeds //
Fem seeds are a abomination of the seed pool , a sales Gimmic nothing more
they make it sound so good who needs to worry about 50 / 50 ratio of male or fem seeds we can give you 90 percent ,, female rate haha so that person who throws out his big out door 1000 plant grow starts crying 3 - 6th week in when all the so called fem seeds start throwing nanners / or hermie on him

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Darth Vapour said:

Although Fem seeds have gotten better over the years they still throw a cluster fuck at times Genetic drift again i believe after few generations will occur i have had clone from clone from clone from reg seeds 10 + years and seen it first hand plants get weaker yields diminish, disease more or less finds its way possibly through the billions of organisms in soil air and water
The same rule will apply with fem seeds but at a faster rate
I am curious if anyone here has a fem clone from a clone from a clone that is 10 years old ??? Anyone
So i think as you literally took away mother natures way ( Evolution ) of fighting it vs regular seeds if growing from seeds that is
with all this said above And to be honest i really don't give a crap who grows what
i have been in this game long enough to know that most big grow op's do not use fem seeds and it may take some looking for males 5 - 8 week in veg but once you got them all your set and the game begins
With a good yielding strain low flowering days the 9 - 10 - 11 week strains are the last thing a commercial, grower wants to dam long. and even for the average grower worried about power usage same thing applies
Here is example

Purple kush fem - flowering time 8 - 10 weeks
purple kush reg - flowering time 45 - 55 days 7 - 8 weeks why such a difference see where i am getting at

Its funny though,,, i see people scream and flame Monsato for there Genetically modified products specially in Europe yet Europe or the dutch came up with Feminized seeds lol
Do fem seeds not fall under that same category,,,,, you pretty much done the same god dam thing with out the terminator gene but wait a minute
Some MJ strains already have the terminator gene in it Diablos pink kush for example
but at the end of the day i really do not give shit again at what you grow,, how you grow truthfully with new laws in place in Europe

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Darth Vapour said:

Although Fem seeds have gotten better over the years they still throw a cluster fuck at times Genetic drift again i believe after few generations will occur i have had clone from clone from clone from reg seeds 10 + years and seen it first hand plants get weaker yields diminish, disease more or less finds its way possibly through the billions of organisms in soil air and water
The same rule will apply with fem seeds but at a faster rate
I am curious if anyone here has a fem clone from a clone from a clone that is 10 years old ??? Anyone
So i think as you literally took away mother natures way ( Evolution ) of fighting it vs regular seeds if growing from seeds that is
with all this said above And to be honest i really don't give a crap who grows what
i have been in this game long enough to know that most big grow op's do not use fem seeds and it may take some looking for males 5 - 8 week in veg but once you got them all your set and the game begins
With a good yielding strain low flowering days the 9 - 10 - 11 week strains are the last thing a commercial, grower wants to dam long. and even for the average grower worried about power usage same thing applies
Here is example

Purple kush fem - flowering time 8 - 10 weeks
purple kush reg - flowering time 45 - 55 days 7 - 8 weeks why such a difference see where i am getting at

Its funny though,,, i see people scream and flame Monsato for there Genetically modified products specially in Europe yet Europe or the dutch came up with Feminized seeds lol
Do fem seeds not fall under that same category,,,,, you pretty much done the same god dam thing with out the terminator gene but wait a minute
Some MJ strains already have the terminator gene in it Diablos pink kush for example
but at the end of the day i really do not give shit again at what you grow,, how you grow truthfully with new laws in place in Europe

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Darth Vapour said:

Although Fem seeds have gotten better over the years they still throw a cluster fuck at times Genetic drift again i believe after few generations will occur i have had clone from clone from clone from reg seeds 10 + years and seen it first hand plants get weaker yields diminish, disease more or less finds its way possibly through the billions of organisms in soil air and water
The same rule will apply with fem seeds but at a faster rate
I am curious if anyone here has a fem clone from a clone from a clone that is 10 years old ??? Anyone
So i think as you literally took away mother natures way ( Evolution ) of fighting it vs regular seeds if growing from seeds that is
with all this said above And to be honest i really don't give a crap who grows what
i have been in this game long enough to know that most big grow op's do not use fem seeds and it may take some looking for males 5 - 8 week in veg but once you got them all your set and the game begins
With a good yielding strain low flowering days the 9 - 10 - 11 week strains are the last thing a commercial, grower wants to dam long. and even for the average grower worried about power usage same thing applies
Here is example

Purple kush fem - flowering time 8 - 10 weeks
purple kush reg - flowering time 45 - 55 days 7 - 8 weeks why such a difference see where i am getting at

Its funny though,,, i see people scream and flame Monsato for there Genetically modified products specially in Europe yet Europe or the dutch came up with Feminized seeds lol
Do fem seeds not fall under that same category,,,,, you pretty much done the same god dam thing with out the terminator gene but wait a minute
Some MJ strains already have the terminator gene in it Diablos pink kush for example
but at the end of the day i really do not give shit again at what you grow,, how you grow truthfully with new laws in place in Europe

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tokalotapot said:

i cant totally agree on this.why cant a plant get stronger (in some rare cases). i say this with tutenkhamen from pyramid.2011 spannabis cup 33%thc highest ever and was done with a feminized seed. and it is rated higher in female form than the reg seed. but i also agree with the general agument.clones rom a fem seed is all good trust me atleast 6 yrs and counting. the fem seed problem is with the seeds of the offspring of a feminized seed. more of a hermie trait sometimes. also fem seeds have their place outdoors plug and forget till cut or for smaller ops. but i am now wanting reg seeds because of mataining a strain for years and store it in seed form and when ever needed make more every few years

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tokalotapot said:

i cant totally agree on this.why cant a plant get stronger (in some rare cases). i say this with tutenkhamen from pyramid.2011 spannabis cup 33%thc highest ever and was done with a feminized seed. and it is rated higher in female form than the reg seed. but i also agree with the general agument.clones rom a fem seed is all good trust me atleast 6 yrs and counting. the fem seed problem is with the seeds of the offspring of a feminized seed. more of a hermie trait sometimes. also fem seeds have their place outdoors plug and forget till cut or for smaller ops. but i am now wanting reg seeds because of mataining a strain for years and store it in seed form and when ever needed make more every few years

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Dr. Who said:

You must be confused! There is NO such thing as "genetic drift" in S1 seeds! It is an EXACT genetic copy of the mother!
The term "genetic drift" ONLY applies to normal breeding. It refers to the genetic changes in the offspring of the breeding.

Your second confusion is "clone to clone to clone shift". The only change in the plant is related to environmental conditions and their changes! There is NO genetic change in clones either!

I HAVE running plants cloned from several strains from the early 90's......No changes other them structural changes due to available lighting conditions - NO genetic changes.....I also have my own made S1's of 2 strains from the 60's. I don't have space to keep a mother or use them as a perpetual. yet I run some of each for the holidays every year......every few years I have to "self" or "back" them for more seeds......NO genetic drift - it's simply impossible!

I have 2 commercial ops. I use clones and would never use straight run seeds......My customers expect consistency and I could not do that with straight run seeds clogging my system and wasting my resources!

Backed or selfed are NOT in ANY way genetically changed! BTW, The bulk of E.U. Nations have BANNED Monsanto's GMO seeds and strains!

I run long running strains right along side short running strains.....You simply have to plan! I can't have 2 medical outlets and not have Sativa's alongside Indica's and the plethera of crossings......People want different things as not everybody wants to have only Chemdog all the time......

Doc

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Capt. Stickyfingers said:

S1s are NOT an exact replica of the mother, genius. You'd know that if you really had the experience you claim to have. And you don't have 2 commercial grow ops, stop lying.

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Capt. Stickyfingers said:

S1s are NOT an exact replica of the mother, genius. You'd know that if you really had the experience you claim to have. And you don't have 2 commercial grow ops, stop lying.

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Dr. Who said:

Come out from behind your curtain again to throw some more stones?
Just what parade of yours did I piss on?

How are S1's not a genetic copy of the mother?
What "new" genetic material has been passed?

No wonder UB stays distant....

Doc

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ricky1lung said:

I have a question. May seem odd but hear me out.

What happens to a mother who has been seeded out then reveged and seeded with a different strain again? Will she pass on small amounts of genes from the first father to the next batch of seeds?

Human females are known to hold on to "donor" dna but I'm not sure if that would then be passed down again.

I'm wondering because I have a sd I crossed with an nl, and am reveging to cross with a kingxbb.

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Darth Vapour said:

Although Fem seeds have gotten better over the years they still throw a cluster fuck at times Genetic drift again i believe after few generations will occur i have had clone from clone from clone from reg seeds 10 + years and seen it first hand plants get weaker yields diminish, disease more or less finds its way possibly through the billions of organisms in soil air and water
The same rule will apply with fem seeds but at a faster rate
I am curious if anyone here has a fem clone from a clone from a clone that is 10 years old ??? Anyone
So i think as you literally took away mother natures way ( Evolution ) of fighting it vs regular seeds if growing from seeds that is
with all this said above And to be honest i really don't give a crap who grows what
i have been in this game long enough to know that most big grow op's do not use fem seeds and it may take some looking for males 5 - 8 week in veg but once you got them all your set and the game begins
With a good yielding strain low flowering days the 9 - 10 - 11 week strains are the last thing a commercial, grower wants to dam long. and even for the average grower worried about power usage same thing applies
Here is example

Purple kush fem - flowering time 8 - 10 weeks
purple kush reg - flowering time 45 - 55 days 7 - 8 weeks why such a difference see where i am getting at

Its funny though,,, i see people scream and flame Monsato for there Genetically modified products specially in Europe yet Europe or the dutch came up with Feminized seeds lol
Do fem seeds not fall under that same category,,,,, you pretty much done the same god dam thing with out the terminator gene but wait a minute
Some MJ strains already have the terminator gene in it Diablos pink kush for example
but at the end of the day i really do not give shit again at what you grow,, how you grow truthfully with new laws in place in Europe

Click to expand...

Dr. Who said:

You must be confused! There is NO such thing as "genetic drift" in S1 seeds! It is an EXACT genetic copy of the mother!
The term "genetic drift" ONLY applies to normal breeding. It refers to the genetic changes in the offspring of the breeding.

Your second confusion is "clone to clone to clone shift". The only change in the plant is related to environmental conditions and their changes! There is NO genetic change in clones either!

I HAVE running plants cloned from several strains from the early 90's......No changes other them structural changes due to available lighting conditions - NO genetic changes.....I also have my own made S1's of 2 strains from the 60's. I don't have space to keep a mother or use them as a perpetual. yet I run some of each for the holidays every year......every few years I have to "self" or "back" them for more seeds......NO genetic drift - it's simply impossible!

I have 2 commercial ops. I use clones and would never use straight run seeds......My customers expect consistency and I could not do that with straight run seeds clogging my system and wasting my resources!

Backed or selfed are NOT in ANY way genetically changed! BTW, The bulk of E.U. Nations have BANNED Monsanto's GMO seeds and strains!

I run long running strains right along side short running strains.....You simply have to plan! I can't have 2 medical outlets and not have Sativa's alongside Indica's and the plethera of crossings......People want different things as not everybody wants to have only Chemdog all the time......

Doc

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Darth Vapour said:

oh i take it your a noob fem grower then ?? cause you feel insulted ...
But really break it down as to why FEMS were really introduced Do you know really why ?? i do do you know who was the first company to introduce FEMS and for which market they were designed for ?? probably not cause sorry your a nooob
until you figure it out NOOB then you can go ahead and call me witless jack ass you fucking meat head

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