first CFL grow - stalk advice please

teutonic · Mar 7, 2011

GreatwhiteNorth said:
600W HPS/MH
Damn, thats a long trip for weed - I hope you are able to grow what you need now, that is easier, cheaper & much more satisfying.

Yep I sure hope this works out. I'm 'dry' for the first time in ... over 20 years, until this grow harvest's. Smoking so much nicotine I'm turning yellow haha! Also after reading about single plant crop expectations I've started a second seed, ordered a 2nd cfl, and will get some more chain today and take it to 4 plants.

Not into this to make profit, just want a regular supply, and I've been pondering how to stagger grows to maintain a regular personal supply.

PUFFIN $TRONG · Mar 8, 2011

whats up fellaz here is some new pics on the blackberrys how they look? anything to worry about or is this bitch gunna purk back up? i got 78 watts in there now

teutonic · Mar 12, 2011

somethings wrong dude, but im not the guru to know what :S

I got trouble of my own anyway and I need guru advice too. My plant that started so stalky is leafing like crazy but not growing upwards, its growing like a ground bush - pic attached - the next set of leafs is growing*under* the big leafs at the top and theres tiny new leafs growing right at the bottom - Advice welcomed ..

GreatwhiteNorth · Mar 12, 2011

teutonic said:
somethings wrong dude, but im not the guru to know what :S

I got trouble of my own anyway and I need guru advice too. My plant that started so stalky is leafing like crazy but not growing upwards, its growing like a ground bush - pic attached - the next set of leafs is growing*under* the big leafs at the top and theres tiny new leafs growing right at the bottom - Advice welcomed ..
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There isn't anything wrong with your plant - those are branches you see coming out down lower.
Keep doing what you're already doing. :-P

teutonic · Mar 13, 2011

GreatwhiteNorth said:
There isn't anything wrong with your plant - those are branches you see coming out down lower.
Keep doing what you're already doing.

ah cheers GWN. Ive read about topping and stuff on here, I'll keep checking in with pics and take any advice as the grow continues

GreatwhiteNorth · Mar 13, 2011

teutonic said:
ah cheers GWN. Ive read about topping and stuff on here, I'll keep checking in with pics and take any advice as the grow continues

Topping, LST etc. are techniques generally aimed at keeping the height of the plant in check - so far you don't have that problem.

PUFFIN $TRONG · Mar 13, 2011

here some pics of L.S.T im doing it with all 3 plants because i dont have much room vertical....i just tied down my girl 1 week ago it is looking so much better than b4 already it has little leafs coming off the bottom :leaf:

and the other 2 are doing way better...i love the one that came through for me it sprouted 2-7 its the smallest one :leaf:

CFLGREENTHUMB · Mar 13, 2011

Look like marijuana.... What is your watering schedule? They are looking a bit droopy. Good luck

PUFFIN $TRONG · Mar 14, 2011

they were not getting watered enough but now they are doing great...i had them about every other day being watered

teutonic · Mar 28, 2011

Hi gurus. remember my scrawny stalky seedling ? Well its a bit chunkier these days.. see pic ... Can I check in for a spot of advice ..
1. The fan leaves are yellowing at the bottom of the plant . Should I cut them off or leave them ?
2. Its been about 25 days of vegging and is about 1 foot high and stuffed to the brim with growth. Should I 12/12 it yet ?
Regards all. teut the toke

GreatwhiteNorth · Mar 28, 2011

Looks like you might have a bit of an N deficiency.
Personally I would allow the leaves to drop naturally & not remove them at that stage.

teutonic · Mar 28, 2011

GreatwhiteNorth said:
Looks like you might have a bit of an N deficiency.
Personally I would allow the leaves to drop naturally & not remove them at that stage.

ok re fan leafs ,
N deficiency. Nitrogen. The only 'nutes' I have is tomato food concentrate. ( Which I have not used on the plants very much for fear of overdoing it )
The back of the concentrate says N = 4 percent. Should I use a different nute ?

GreatwhiteNorth · Mar 28, 2011

teutonic said:
ok re fan leafs ,
N deficiency. Nitrogen. The only 'nutes' I have is tomato food concentrate. ( Which I have not used on the plants very much for fear of overdoing it )
The back of the concentrate says N = 4 percent. Should I use a different nute ?

What is the brand name on your fert?
What is the N-P-K ratio?
What is the recommended dosage?

teutonic · Mar 28, 2011

GreatwhiteNorth said:
What is the brand name on your fert?
What is the N-P-K ratio?
What is the recommended dosage?

Well GWN, the guy in the gardening shop said mix one third of a capful in with each 2 litre bottle of spring water that I use for watering the plants, the carton says 20 mL to 4.5 litre water.
The carton says NPK fertiliser solution 4-4-8. The brand name is B&Q - the stores own label
I've been studying the forums like billy-o and agree it is a N problem, as there is no leaf curl to speak of.
The soil Ive used is organic peat free compost.
I have been overwatering the plants - one of the pots became waterlogged and the seedling heavily yellowed, now Im watering just once every 3 days.
Overwatering may not be true of the big plant in the foto, with all that growth it'll need a drop more than the seedlings surely.
There is one other possibility - too much light, but with low heat CFL's I wouldnt have thought that was the issue.
I'm not sure wether I should ramp up the nute feed, or what I should do, the seedlings are yellowing too. Maybe it was overwatering. Maybe not enough nutes. Maybe too much light. Maybe I'm worrrying too much and the plants are picking up on my stress kharma hehe!

GreatwhiteNorth · Mar 28, 2011

teutonic said:
Well GWN, the guy in the gardening shop said mix one third of a capful in with each 2 litre bottle of spring water that I use for watering the plants, the carton says 20 mL to 4.5 litre water.
The carton says NPK fertiliser solution 4-4-8. The brand name is B&Q - the stores own label
I've been studying the forums like billy-o and agree it is a N problem, as there is no leaf curl to speak of.
The soil Ive used is organic peat free compost.
I have been overwatering the plants - one of the pots became waterlogged and the seedling heavily yellowed, now Im watering just once every 3 days.
Overwatering may not be true of the big plant in the foto, with all that growth it'll need a drop more than the seedlings surely.
There is one other possibility - too much light, but with low heat CFL's I wouldnt have thought that was the issue.
I'm not sure wether I should ramp up the nute feed, or what I should do, the seedlings are yellowing too. Maybe it was overwatering. Maybe not enough nutes. Maybe too much light. Maybe I'm worrrying too much and the plants are picking up on my stress kharma hehe!

First off you are not giving it too much light - that is not possible with CFL's.
As for nutes:
"In the vegetative stage, a good 20 - 20 - 20 supplement is often adequate to maintain proper growth and development. Most growers dilute this formula to one-half or one-quarter strength, as marijuana does not tolerate full-strength nutrient feedings well. This can be given once or twice a week, although some growers use it at every feeding.

In the flowering stage, a higher ratio of phosphorus is needed to promote and encourage flowering, as these flowers are the bud sites, and the number of flowers affect the end yield. Phosphorus alone, or phosphorus in a higher ratio - 10 - 30 - 10, is often used in this stage."

Personally I'd dump the fert you have & go to a gardening center and pick up a good name brand mix with something close to the numbers above. As for over watering - pick up the container after you water & note how heavy it is, then when you think it might be time to water, pick up the pot again - it should be noticibly lighter than before. Also you can stick your finger down a couple inches into the soil - don't water if its still wet down there and seedlings are very sensitive to over watering so be careful. Also, do not fert seedlings - they don't need it & you will burn them.
Take a deep breath & relax - don't stress over this, you'll get it.
GWN

Oh, and welcome to RIU my friend.

PUFFIN $TRONG · Mar 28, 2011

hey fellaz check out the babies now...they are doing so much better i have the temps at 75 with 142 watts :leaf:

teutonic · Mar 29, 2011

GreatwhiteNorth said:
First off you are not giving it too much light - that is not possible with CFL's.
As for nutes:
"In the vegetative stage, a good 20 - 20 - 20 supplement is often adequate to maintain proper growth and development. Most growers dilute this formula to one-half or one-quarter strength, as marijuana does not tolerate full-strength nutrient feedings well. This can be given once or twice a week, although some growers use it at every feeding.

In the flowering stage, a higher ratio of phosphorus is needed to promote and encourage flowering, as these flowers are the bud sites, and the number of flowers affect the end yield. Phosphorus alone, or phosphorus in a higher ratio - 10 - 30 - 10, is often used in this stage."

Personally I'd dump the fert you have & go to a gardening center and pick up a good name brand mix with something close to the numbers above. As for over watering - pick up the container after you water & note how heavy it is, then when you think it might be time to water, pick up the pot again - it should be noticibly lighter than before. Also you can stick your finger down a couple inches into the soil - don't water if its still wet down there and seedlings are very sensitive to over watering so be careful. Also, do not fert seedlings - they don't need it & you will burn them.
Take a deep breath & relax - don't stress over this, you'll get it.
GWN

Oh, and welcome to RIU my friend.

ok thanks for the heads up GWN .. and the welcome

Will look for some 20-20-20 come the weekend.
Getting the watering correct will be the key to success. Stuck my finger right down into the edge of the pot tonight it was dry as a bone so Ive watered it. I'm wondering if theres some kind of moisture meter I could utilise, meanwhile i'll try the pot lifting method

Oh and puffin strong - them plants are looking good friend

PUFFIN $TRONG · Mar 29, 2011

Thanks my brotha the biggest one is in miracle grow( it sucks!!) The other 2 are doing really good those are in fox farm....when can I start L.S.T on both of them?

abudtokr · Mar 29, 2011

PUFFIN $TRONG said:
some one wanna help with this situation i got going here...the temps were 85 with lights on then i brought them down to a steady 75 with lights on ...do you think they are just stressed out becuz of the change? ....should i even worry?

Start your own thread, and ask a question dont take over someone elses... wow

abudtokr · Mar 29, 2011

And what I would do with that little plant thats falling over I would put soil all the way up to the leafs.

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