Fist Guerilla Grow-Need Advice

I live in Southern Ontario and am planning my first guerrila grow for the spring. Im looking for advice on what soil to use and watering methods. Any comments or advice is appreciated.
Here is my plan so far:

Strain:
The strain I plan on using can be found here, its called Fast Pine and is developped for ontario climates and they are fairly cheap.(Although I may consider the Afghani Gold)
http://www.happygirl.ca/tsb_Indica_Sativa_Seeds_Catalogue.htm

Pre-planting:
My plan is to veg them inside and have em grow for a good 4-6 weeks before planting them at the grow spot mid may(last frost should be around may 9th)

Potting:
I should be getting 50-100 seeds spread out between 3-5 seperate patches hopping to get at least 20-40 females.
I am going to buy some 5-10 gallon grow bags or posibly pulp pots and dig holes to for them, planting 2 seeds per grow bag(factoring in males).

Soil:
So far i havent decided what im going to use,
Either Fox Farms Ocean Forest if I can get a hold of it,
or a mixture of:
Peat moss
Perlite
Vermiculite
Cow menure(or worm castings)
Blood and Bone meal
Dolomite Lime
The only thing im concerned about is tha ive read animals will dig up your crop if your using Blood Bone meal in the soil.

Watering:
My plan so far is buying watering spikes that connect to 2L bottle full of water, and putting one in each grow bag(or pot).
I would also consider some kind of water reservoir or pump system connected to a stream as well, but i dont know much about this.

***I will have lots of spare time to set up the grow spots, and therefore work load and time will not be an issue for me, I will also be able to visit them as much as i want(4-7 days per week)

makesure tht site is legit. um im not realy in to all that mixing soil espescialy fer 100 plant thats a lot of mutherfukin potting soil is it like in the woods dont get caught transporting all of that stuff sounds like you got quite the operation

definitely mix your own and amend the soil with your mix. i use a 50/50 mix of peat moss and compost with dolomite lime. check this soil thread out. i found a soil mix recipe at another forum and posted it here along with what i use. https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/377845-hillbillybobs-soil-mix.html

i mix it with the 3qt bowl as the thread says and add the lime accordingly. be careful with the bone & blood meal. they attract animals that might tear your plant up trying to get to the scent.

Each bag of Fox Farms Ocean Forest is going to cost you $15 at the bare minimum, $20 at my local store.

If you factor in that you can do two 5 gallon bags with one 1.5 cu ft. bag, then you're looking at $750 worth of soil. With the mixing you're doing you might be able to cut it down to $500.
That's also 50 bags so make sure you can carry all that by yourself.

Plants eat close to a gallon of water each by the end of the season. Can you supply 100 gallons of water every 3-5 days?

If you have all this figured out, then good luck brother!

Would anyone recommend just mixing my grow medium with the outside soil to save money, and do the grow bags need to be perforated for drainage into the ground, or are they fine as is?
Also when lookng for a grow spot, what direction should the most sunlight be coming from?

On hillybobs soil mix it says to use different mixes for veg and flowering, but i wont be able to transplant these guys when the time comes.
How important are nutes?
and could go with JUST :
5 parts coco-coir or sphagnum peat moss
3 parts perlite
2 parts worm castings
(1 cup of lime per cubic foot )
I also have some veg liquid DNF fertilizer from a failed indoor grow, could i use this in a water reservoir or out it in the 2L watering spikes

The only thing in that soil mix you just listed that adds real nutrient value are the worm castings. There's nutrients in the soil naturally, so it will grow regardless, just not as well. Have you thought about amending the local soil and using it?

Water IS an issue, make sure you're not underestimating it. A 2L bottle will only feed half of one of my plants at the end of the grow season.

Hey for your water supply. You can digg a hole about 3' deep and drive you a well point. And put you a hand pump on it. Then you will have water at the site.

MarijuanaDopeSmoke said:

On hillybobs soil mix it says to use different mixes for veg and flowering, but i wont be able to transplant these guys when the time comes.
How important are nutes?
and could go with JUST :
5 parts coco-coir or sphagnum peat moss
3 parts perlite
2 parts worm castings
(1 cup of lime per cubic foot )
I also have some veg liquid DNF fertilizer from a failed indoor grow, could i use this in a water reservoir or out it in the 2L watering spikes

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hey dude i think you got a little confused about the mix. the soil mix that your referring to is a regular base mix with no added fertilizer. this is what i would use for cuttings or seedlings. the different veg and flowering mixes are fertilizers. the fertilizer options are what you would use in conjunction with the base mix as the base mix has no real fertilizer. the only two mixes your talking about that differ from veg and flower are the guano teas and fish and seaweed not the soil itself.

hillbillybobb said:

definitely mix your own and amend the soil with your mix. i use a 50/50 mix of peat moss and compost with dolomite lime. check this soil thread out. i found a soil mix recipe at another forum and posted it here along with what i use. https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/377845-hillbillybobs-soil-mix.html

i mix it with the 3qt bowl as the thread says and add the lime accordingly. be careful with the bone & blood meal. they attract animals that might tear your plant up trying to get to the scent.

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what i was trying to say earlier was i mix the 50/50 peat & compost the same way as i would for the mix on the thread meaning i would use a 3qt. bowl, put 5 bowls of peat & 5 bowls of compost together to make 1 cubic foot of soil. then i would add 1 cup of lime and the other additives to each cubic ft. you can add fertilizer to the mix or use any kind of fertilizer you choose just like you would any other soilless mix. the soil mix in the thread is a potting soil and you really dont need the perlite in the mix for a outdoor plot unless you can visit more often to water which is exactly what you are trying to avoid. what i do is fill a burlap bag with 1 cu ft of soil, tie it up and hump it to my plot in the fall. dig my holes while the ground is not yet frozen and drop 1 bag in each hole. in the spring i may have to take a cubic foot or two of soil mix to fill in the hole where it settled and thats it. i cut the top of the bag before i backfill the hole and plant my clones and then mulch. the burlap works great as a water wick and the plants roots will grow through the bag if it needs to.

sounds good, im still not sure whether im looking to use grow bags(suposedly burlap sacks work well too instead of plastic) or amend my soil with the earth soil. If im using grow bags though, should I be using perlite?
Does anyone recommend either way or is it more of a cost issue?
Also im most likely going to use the 2L spikes for the fisrt half of the grow and eventually dig a hole for a rain barrel reservoir or something like that\
BTW there is access to a river within 5-10 minute walk from the site depending on where i chose.

with the burlap you can bury it in the ground so you dont have to amend and if the plants root system needs to expand it will do so right through the burlap. this also is a good way to reserve water because the burlap acts as a water wick. with a plastic grow bag or container you should use perlite and its probably going to cost a little more. another thing to consider is how fast plastic bags and containers will dry out. in my area the summer is so hot that i have to water 5 gallon pots everyday to every other day. the ground holds much more moisture and your roots are never limited.

I used burlap for the first time last year,Wow was that the ticket I used FFOF soil with manure and some polymer water crystels
Never had to water as my grow is over 100 miles from home
No digging and trying to hide the soil that is removed
No root bound plants as the roots grow right out the bottom
Burlap sucks in all the morning dew and the crystels keep the moisture
I will be putting out 20-30 this season
I did a side by side with Jillybean last season
the plant in the burlap was over 7 ' tall with a stem the size of 2 quarters
The plant in the dirt with a 5 gal hole w/ FFOF soil were 4' and stem half the size
Both plants were clones and got the same attention Proof enough for me
Hope this helped
Happpy Growing
GD

as far as mixing you soil with ground soil, dig down about a foot and see for your self see how healthy the soil is. is it black or is it full of clay? hows the drainage any rocks? my last out door grow i did all in ground and didnt mix at all and my plants did awsomly. so i dont feel that spending 500-750 on soil is a good idea. and as for watering them you shouldnt have to water then 3-5 times a week? thats retarded. pick a location with water near by and or that it not very dry so the plants get the water natturally through the soil. and through rain. so ya thats my two cents. and watch out for deer and other wild life.

chances are you still want to amend to create a better environment. unless you find a place in the woods that was once a fertile farmland, your still gonna want to amend to make the soil lighter or hold water better depending on your soil type. then depending on the soil ph, you may have to adjust it and lime takes time to work. if you mix your own buffered mix and fill your holes with it or at least amend it, you already know your ahead of the game. it really eliminates the guesswork.

a few things you want to consider.
Guerrilla farming mean farming outdoors, away from your own property, or in a remote location of your property where people seldom roam around. It is possible to find locations that for one reason or another are not easily accessible or are privately owned. Try to grow off your property, on adjacent property, so that if your plot is found, it will not be traceable back to you. If it's not on your property, nobody has witnessed you there, and there is no physical evidence of your presence (footprints, fingerprints, trails, hair, etc.), then it is virtually impossible to prosecute you for it, even if the cops think they know who it belongs to. Let me stress that: farm off your property and leave no physical evidence.
Germinate your marijuana seeds at home and replant outdoors after 2 weeks. Always grow high yield outdoor cannabis seeds strains, do not waste your time and effort for bagseeds. Try to plant under trees, next to bushes and keep only a few plants in any one spot. Train or top the plants to grow sideways, or do something to prevent the classic christmas tree look of most plants left to grow untrained. Tying the top down to the ground will make the plants branches grow up toward the sun, and increase yield, given a long enough growing season. Plants can be grown under trees if the sun comes in at an angle and lights the area for several hours every day. Plants should get at least 5 hours of direct early morning sun every day, and 5 more hours of indirect light. Use shoes that you can dispose of later and cover your foot prints. Use surgical gloves and leave no fingerprints on pots and other items that might ID you to the fuzz... in case your plot is discovered by passers by.
Put up a fence, or the chipmonks, squirles and deer will nibble on your babies until there is nothing left. Green wire mesh and nylon chicken fencing net work great and can be wrapped around trees to create a strong barrier. Always check it and repair every visit you make to the garden. A barrier of fishing line, one at 18" and another at 3' will keep most deer away from your crop. The best fence in the world will not keep rats away from your plants! Do not use soap to keep dear away, it will attract rats! (The fat in the soap is edible for them.) Put the poison grain in a feeder than only small rodents can enter, so that birds and deer can't eat it. Set out poison early, before actual planting. The rats must eat the grain for several days before it will have any effect on them. Ultimately, you may find it's easier to grow in a greenhouse shed in your own backyard rather than try to keep the rats from eating your outdoor plot.
When growing away from the house, in the wild, water is the biggest determining factor, after security. The amount you can grow is directly proportional to the water available. If you must pack-in water, carry it in a backpack in case your seen in-route to your garden; you will appear to be merely a hiker, not a grower.
Transporting vegatative starts to the growing area is a most tricky aspect of growing outdoors, but germinating your marijuana seeds in spot is out of the question. Usually, you will want to germinate the cannabis seeds at home, keep seedlings indoors, or outside in your garden, then transport them to the grow site once they are firmly established. It may be desirable to first detect and separate males from females so that no effort of transporting/transplanting/watering males is incurred. Male female cannot be told by looking at the cannabis seeds, so you have to wait for seedlings to show sex signs.
One suggestion is to use 3" rockwool cubes to start seedlings in, then put 20 of them in a litter pan, cover it with another pan, and transport this to the grow site. The cubes can be planted directly into soil. If spotted inroute to the grow area, burying a dead cat may be a good excuse for being in the area. Few people would demand to see the rotting corpse!

OK, so here's what I've got so far, made a few changes to original plan:


Southern Ontario
Strain:
The strain I plan on using can be found here, its called Fast Pine and is developped for ontario climates and they are fairly cheap.(Although I may consider the Afghani Gold)
http://www.happygirl.ca/tsb_Indica_S..._Catalogue.htm

Pre-planting:
My plan is to veg them inside and have em grow for a good 4-6 weeks before planting them at the grow spot mid may(last frost should be around may 9th)

Potting:
I should be getting 50-100 seeds spread out between 3-5 seperate patches hopping to get at least 20-40 females.
I am going to be using burlap sacks(approx 5 gal. depending on where I get em) and dig holes to for them, planting 2 seeds per grow bag(factoring in males).

Soil:
(thank you hillbillybob)
Most likely going to be using a mix of:
50% Peat moss
30-40%Compost
10-20% worm castings
1 cup of dolomite lime per cubic foot.

**Also planning on getting some polymer water crytals to mix with soil to reduce watering, does anyone know how much to use or anytihng about using these, just found out about them**

Fertilizer:
LC's Recipe #2
All these items combined with one gallon of soil mix.
1/3C hi N Guano (Mexican Bat Guano)
1/2C hi P Guano (Jamaican or Indonesian Bat Guano)
1TBS Jersey Greensand
1TBS Kelp Meal

**Anyone have any alternatives, and can anyone give me a price estimate on this recipe(prices per package of specific nutrient) if they have any idea**

Watering:
Getting watering spikes that connect to 2L bottle full of water, and putting one in each sac for first few weeks until i get an actual system up and running.
Hopefully going to get a 6v water pump with a filter conected to a 1/2 inch hose that runs to the grow spot(s), if not then digging up a big hole for a reservoir or making a gavity based system, looking for specifics on how to build one of these

I wouldnt worry about grow bags bud, just put the soil in a hole and let them grow. I would reccomend using worm castings, that shit is amazing and ur plants will love it. Also if ur worried about the blood meal attracting unwanted lil sumbitches u could always switch it out for some mexican bat guano, its high in nitrogen and should work prolly better for ya. But I do reccomend using some worm castings in ur soil mix tho, very good shit! Well good luck and happy growing bud!!

with the burlap
The 2 pluses are as follow
1) NO Digging ,Just lay the bag on the ground
2)Laying the bag on the ground will allow dew to collect on and be sucked in
If you are digging holes for them just put the dirt in the hole no need for the burlap

if your close to a stream/river/lake they have solar pumps and you could have it pump into a tank that lets out how much you want per plant. i dont think you could go straight to the plant, the pump pumps all day.
also ive seen these watering packs that sit around the bottem of the plant and the hold a fair bit of water and only let water out as needed.

im sure the pumps arnt that powerful but the pump water up a few meter in the air so im sure it would slowly pump water to the tank. i thought of having some sort of small tank in a tree with a tap off the bottem. put a garden timer off that and run the pipes to your babys.
if the pump isnt powerful you can get a battery pump and small solar panel to charge it.