For All Cap Ebb and Grow Users

researchkitty said:

Calling me a cunt wont help your cause. Try being a grown up. You want to call me a dumb cunt and that I dont know my stuff? Ok, check my grow journal. I'd check yours, but................ Additionally, my post count is pretty low, but go read all of them. You'll see most all of my posts are helpful, most of yours are well...........

6" Rockwool can be used in E&G Buckets. We all know this. That wasnt the conversation, the conversation was the *cost* of that versus Hydroton. You just choose to read whatever posts you want and argue later.

Still, your argument that E&G and F&D systems are same except they drain through a different hole? That's very technically inaccurate. The growing environment is completely different. Buckets create more height for plants. Cubes hold more water vs Hydroton. Flood times will be different. Nutrient buildup will be different. Algae growth potential is different. The flood and drain times are different. One has a consumable replacement cost, the other does not.

There's so much that's different.

But again, that's why this is the "for all cap ebb and grow users" thread and you can discuss any goofy alternatives you like in others.




I'm an open minded forum bully. I dont wave my rep at anyone. Why would you assume I do? You have more posts and rep than me and you're telling that to me?






The difference between both of you and me is simple.


*I* am a constructive poster. You both are just posting to bitch. Argue with constructive thoughts and try to improve things instead of just being trolls and hating me so much for being right. If I'm wrong, please, correct me, but you dont have to be calling people dumb cunts. (Reported, too thanks for that)


Notice each time I reply, it isnt to post, but to correct a point of misinformation or to answer a question? My post here did that yet again..... I cant wait to read your stupid replies with zero constructive or educational information in them. If you dont have anything useful to say, please stop bumping this thread to 2000 posts of garbage. I'll be right here ready to correct your misinformed, uneducated, and inaccurate "help" you type to others.

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researchkitty said:

I view my posting in threads as helpful. Maybe that's why my rep is sky high, continual thanks from people asking questions, and general support of the RIU community is strong.

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afrothund3r said:

Hey guys I'm in week 2 of flower and my plants have stopped drinking water and the ph keeps raising from 6 to 7 in 24 hours. I'm running 18 plants with hydroton and the technaflora recipe for success. Any suggestions on the problem and what I should do.

I was thinking I should flush the res and plants for 24 hours and then mix up 40 gallons of 3/4 strength.

Thanks in advance

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Ferredoxin said:

For starters, I would toss the Technaflora and get some GH 3-part. Your pH is rising because you probably have funk in your water from the nutes. Flush your system with some peroxide in your water, and mix a new batch. H2O2 is awesome stuff.

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hellraizer30 said:

I have and now use it over H202, use plain bleach at 10ML for 55gal and it will kill all bactira, I use it at the start of the week then at
day 3 of the week I use H202 at 7ML per gal then at the end of the week I add the bleach again and so on and so forth. My method
of using both is based on me trying to limit the bleach in my res. plants look great no signs of anything and my res water crystal
clear and PH 5.8 and stable.

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hellraizer30 said:

I have and now use it over H202, use plain bleach at 10ML for 55gal and it will kill all bactira, I use it at the start of the week then at
day 3 of the week I use H202 at 7ML per gal then at the end of the week I add the bleach again and so on and so forth. My method
of using both is based on me trying to limit the bleach in my res. plants look great no signs of anything and my res water crystal
clear and PH 5.8 and stable.

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Ferredoxin said:

Can't even tell you how sketchy I think this is.

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shnkrmn said:

It's true. People just say 'don't use it.' They never cite authority other than anecdote; "This great guy swears you can't do it" kind of stuff.

I don't use it as a maintenance program like Hellraizer30, but I have. My plants speak for themselves.

10ml in 55 gallons. Do the math. It's not that much. I used more, .5ml/gallon.

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Ferredoxin said:

I can understand how a complete and total lack of chemistry knowledge would lead you to that conclusion. Get your notepad out.

Lets take a look at the two molecules involved here. Sodium hypochlorite (chlorine bleach) is NaClO. In water, it partially splits into Na+ and ClO- (hypochlorite anion), and partially hydrolyzes into sodium hydroxide (basically pH up) and hypochlorous acid (depending on pH...higher pH favors the first reaction).

This is a reactive material that is terrible to add to a hydroponic solution for many reasons:
-Hypochlorite solutions liberate toxic gases (chlorine) when acidified or heated
-Hypochlorite reacts with ammonia (NH3, a molecule involved in the N cycle) to form chloramines, which are toxic and potentially explosive
-Hypochlorite reacts with organic matter to produce trihalomethanes- carcinogenic molecules
-Hypochlorite will also react with Zinc, Iron, Manganese, and Nitrite ions
-Hydrochloric and sulfuric acid, and a whole host of other harsh molecules can also form depending on what is present in your water.
-You are also accumulating sodium in your solution, which will skew your EC.

Now, hydrogen peroxide - H202. It decomposes exothermically in water to form (2 H2O + O2), or water and oxygen.


An interesting note, however, is the product of the reaction between these two molecules. Sodium hypochlorite and hydrogen peroxide react to form water, sodium chloride (NaCl, table salt) and pure oxygen gas (O2).

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shnkrmn said:

How much chlorine gas is liberated from 25ml of 5% sodium hypochlorite?

How much chloramine is produced from a reaction between 25ml 5% sodium hypochlorite and ammonia?

How much trichloromethanes are produced etc, etc.

I don't use bleach for maintenance so I'm not building up sodium in my solution.




25ml/250L. Again, the scale of the reactions you describe above are minimal.

I'm tired of bleach as a topic. Obviously there are lots of strong opinions. I'll be happy to continue discussing it in private, but let's let it rest in this thread, okay? Plus, your tone is a little too combative with the "complete and total lack of chemistry knowledge' comment. Leave the insults alone.

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shnkrmn said:

One of the most interesting mods I have seen with the E&G is buried way back in this thread. I guy used stg inserts in 5 inch netpots in a lid on his buckets. I know, STG is shit in E&G if you use the inserts that fill the buckets, but his scheme just supported the plants until the roots grew out of the netpot and then hung down into the flood zone of the bucket. His roots (and plants) were spectacular. I imagine he flooded a little more often, since his roots were just hanging in air between floods, but the elimination of hydroton completely was intriguing. And the way he used stg eliminated IMO the weak design flaw of that material which is that it holds to much water and doesn't support large plants well. I'll go back and find that post when I get a chance.

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shnkrmn said:

The Villans 5,300 watt 3 room perpetual grow going into first flower phase 48 plant
Here's a pic a grabbed from the Villan's grow. As you see, his roots hang free inside the bucket without need for hydroton. Pretty sweet if you ask me.

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