Gas Price Debate

NLXSK1 · Oct 25, 2012

cannabineer said:
It's the "if" ... I do not see us actively developing other energy sources. Fission and fusion research are given disastrously low priorities. We're on the coal train once the oil stops gushing. Pffff. cn

Cars can burn natural gas and we have hundreds of years of that.

In addition, hydrogen technology is improving along with geothermal and we have yet to really start harnessing nuclear in the USA even though France has fully adopted it.

The point is that IF we start running out of oil and/or gas the prices will rise due to supply and demand and force other technologies to take over. And in the future we have alot better chance of those technologies being viable rather than somehow try to force people to drive a solar powered car today.

cannabineer · Oct 25, 2012

NLXSK1 said:
Cars can burn natural gas and we have hundreds of years of that.

In addition, hydrogen technology is improving along with geothermal and we have yet to really start harnessing nuclear in the USA even though France has fully adopted it.

The point is that IF we start running out of oil and/or gas the prices will rise due to supply and demand and force other technologies to take over. And in the future we have alot better chance of those technologies being viable rather than somehow try to force people to drive a solar powered car today.

We do not have hundreds of years of natural gas reserves. Every estimate I've seen of the duration of natural gas availability imposes two preposterous conditions:
1) that production is held at the current rate
2) that demand does not increase.

If current coal-and oil-driven energy is converted overnight to gas, the demand just quadrupled. Gas is not a savior.

Most telling is this: if we have hundreds of years of gas (which implies, with continued exponential demand, that we've tapped less than a thousandth of proven reserves to date) why frack?? We should still be enjoying the cheapest, most concentrated sources. And yet we've used those. cn

NLXSK1 · Oct 25, 2012

cannabineer said:
We do not have hundreds of years of natural gas reserves. Every estimate I've seen of the duration of natural gas availability imposes two preposterous conditions:
1) that production is held at the current rate
2) that demand does not increase.

If current coal-and oil-driven energy is converted overnight to gas, the demand just quadrupled. Gas is not a savior.

Most telling is this: if we have hundreds of years of gas (which implies, with continued exponential demand, that we've tapped less than a thousandth of proven reserves to date) why frack?? We should still be enjoying the cheapest, most concentrated sources. And yet we've used those. cn

Because many of the easy spots are prohibited by the Federal government.

Obama cut back on federal leases for oil drilling no matter what he likes to tell you.

Why not drill in the middle of nowhere alaska??? Because the feds wont allow it...

cannabineer · Oct 25, 2012

NLXSK1 said:
Because many of the easy spots are prohibited by the Federal government.

Obama cut back on federal leases for oil drilling no matter what he likes to tell you.

Why not drill in the middle of nowhere alaska??? Because the feds wont allow it...

The US's gas reserves are small on a global level, and most of them are "unconventional" (messy/expensive to extract).
I'm also talking about a situation that is insensitive to who gets elected. Neither elected President can legislate more reserves into being.

I'd also be curious to see how natgas-fueled airliners fare. And 18-wheelers. cn

Harrekin · Oct 25, 2012

cannabineer said:
The US's gas reserves are small on a global level, and most of them are "unconventional" (messy/expensive to extract).
I'm also talking about a situation that is insensitive to who gets elected. Neither elected President can legislate more reserves into being.

I'd also be curious to see how natgas-fueled airliners fare. And 18-wheelers. cn

We've fucking huge reserves of gas and oil off our west coast...

I'm just waiting for the War of Terror to swing this way.

cannabineer · Oct 25, 2012

Harrekin said:
We've fucking huge reserves of gas and oil off our west coast...

I'm just waiting for the War of Terror to swing this way.

280mm barrels isn't fucking huge. The Saudi fields were, and they're drying up. cn

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/oct/10/irish-oil-find-bigger-providence-resources

Harrekin · Oct 25, 2012

cannabineer said:
280mm barrels isn't fucking huge. The Saudi fields were, and they're drying up. cn

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/oct/10/irish-oil-find-bigger-providence-resources

That's only the oil, we're sitting on gas mostly

NLXSK1 · Oct 25, 2012

cannabineer said:
280mm barrels isn't fucking huge. The Saudi fields were, and they're drying up. cn

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/oct/10/irish-oil-find-bigger-providence-resources

That is only what we have discovered.

cannabineer · Oct 25, 2012

NLXSK1 said:
That is only what we have discovered.

In the last few decades, discovery teams have checked pretty much everywhere except the Antarctic. The good finds are ... found. cn

beenthere · Oct 25, 2012

There's a gas/diesel station about 4 miles from my property, they've never once ran out of gas!

cannabineer · Oct 25, 2012

beenthere said:
There's a gas/diesel station about 4 miles from my property, they've never once ran out of gas!

I have only one word for that. cn

NLXSK1 · Oct 25, 2012

cannabineer said:
In the last few decades, discovery teams have checked pretty much everywhere except the Antarctic. The good finds are ... found. cn

This is a circular argument...

If we are going to some other fuel source, why should we conserve gas & oil again?

cannabineer · Oct 25, 2012

NLXSK1 said:
This is a circular argument...

If we are going to some other fuel source, why should we conserve gas & oil again?

Circular how? The finity of fossil fuel is f̶u̶c̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶f̶a̶c̶t̶ hard to controvert.
As for finding another energy source, I prefer a "chickens hatched" approach. I am loath to count just eggs. cn

NLXSK1 · Oct 25, 2012

cannabineer said:
Circular how? The finity of fossil fuel is hard to controvert.
As for finding another energy source, I prefer a "chickens hatched" approach. I am loath to count just eggs. cn

I talked to an oil man from Canada the other day that tells me we have thousands of years of oil left.

I prefer to believe him rather than you...

cannabineer · Oct 25, 2012

NLXSK1 said:
I talked to an oil man from Canada the other day that tells me we have thousands of years of oil left.

I prefer to believe him rather than you...

I would prefer to believe him as well, but if you take even a glancing look at recoverable reserves, he's nowhere near correct.
But I won't take away your right to believe nonsense. cn

NLXSK1 · Oct 25, 2012

cannabineer said:
I would prefer to believe him as well, but if you take even a glancing look at recoverable reserves, he's nowhere near correct.
But I won't take away your right to believe nonsense. cn

You are trying to tell me we have discovered every oil field...

So, I wont take away your right to believe in nonsense either...

cannabineer · Oct 25, 2012

NLXSK1 said:
You are trying to tell me we have discovered every oil field...

So, I wont take away your right to believe in nonsense either...

Not every field, obviously. But there's nowhere left for a big, productive field to hide. Except, of course, Antarctica and perhaps a few spots in the Arctic Ocean. cn

FlowerPower! · Oct 25, 2012

I really love how all you guys talk like friend while new people have to kiss ur asses to speak

cannabineer · Oct 25, 2012

FlowerPower! said:
I really love how all you guys talk like friend while new people have to kiss ur asses to speak

I worked my way up. You could also, but you'd need to check the attitude and bigotry at the door. A good first move would be apologizing in the presence of Carne Seca. You do realize that you have insulted many humans quite unnecessarily. Own up to your own deeds, and then maybe. Jmo. cn

NLXSK1 · Oct 25, 2012

FlowerPower! said:
I really love how all you guys talk like friend while new people have to kiss ur asses to speak

If you had to kiss someone's ass to post here you have been listening to Carne too long...

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