giving defoliation during flower a try
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TheChemist77
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Thank you for the info. im growng 9 different strains right now, and put 25 plants in a dwc thats5x5 with lots of light.till now ive always only pulled yellowing bottom leaves and ocasionally a large fan leaf if its removal will provide more light to whats below.Recently ive been told to start trimming the lower branches to improve yields from top branches. should i trim the branches in veg or right after put in flowering?? and will trimming the leaves 2 weaks before harvest improve bud size??
stankyyank
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You're definitely stacking them in there. If you have good light and airflow, don't get too crazy with defoliation in veg, but introduce the girls to it if you have the time, if you even veg that long as it is. I say this because it's obvious you can't realistically over-veg your girls and keep them all in there (especially if they bush out to become some fat indicas), and you don't want to over-trim either as it'd be unnecessary time spent growing just to pull it back. How big are they right now, and do you have any pics? Don't go crazy on defoliating or topping/etc when first flipping to 12/12, it'll stress the plant out unnecessarily. Maybe a couple here and there, but for the most part, wait till you get through the stretch before re-evaluating what you're going to pull (anything not in good health, oversized and yellowing, and lollipopping the very bottom if needed). As for "lollipopping" or lower node/bud site removal, it doesn't necessarily add to overall weight, it just gives a better average for you're buds in size. Do you usually run 25 girls in a 5x5? As far as pulling fan leaves shortly before harvest... it will speed up your flush, but I can't say for sure what the impact will be on your bud size (don't care to guess either). Additionally, if your environment is too hot, the plant won't be able to transpire as effectively without it's fan leaves, meaning growth/maturation will come to a halt. If your buds have a high leaf to calyx ratio (namely sugar leaf), you might be safe providing the last little bit of goodness without the majority of your fan leaves, but you keep temps in control. Maybe try doing just a few and seeing what your results are in comparison? There are so many factors that seem to play into this, a general answer can't be had. Good luck.
Uncle Ben
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Who's telling you this crap?
J.Mike
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EastCoastGenetics420
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people are know it alls.. no1 wants to admit there wrong. that's the real issue.. egos
Sativied
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You speak for "people" and "no1" as in everyone and you mention "egos"?
I only care for the truth, and when in search for the truth all that matters is what you "know" (opposed what you want to see for example). If that what you know isn't so, the conclusion derived from it isn't necessarily the truth. Your comment, despite the spelling error, does cover the real issue: "no1 wants to admit they're wrong" as if it's about them... instead of their info being either inaccurate, incomplete or flat out irrelevant. "You're argument is invalid" does however get the same butthurt response as "you are wrong" so yeah... it's mostly egos and not facts that get in the way of the pursuit for knowledge...
Uncle Ben
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"No one" want to leave their comfort zone of bullshit (RIU) and get the facts regarding what makes a plant tick.
st0wandgrow
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I've thought the same of you. Your comfort zone circa 1970
J.Mike
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And since we are having a teaching moment, it would be "No one wants to leave...etc"! If it works for you so be it, whatever, and you wonder why I laugh...
sex pistil
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Hey. I just signed up here just so I can go back several weeks into this thread, grab statements made by anti-stripping posers, drag them forward, and shred them to bits. These antis aren't good enough to be called book smart...they enjoy wallowing in ignorance. Let's get started with this....
sex pistil
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Really, there, genius?
Here's a quote from you:
"Cannabis flowers are not capable of photosynthesis."
And here is bit of botanical knowledge from an Arkansas state U. publication:
"All green plant parts have chloroplasts and carry out photosynthesis."
you aren't fit to stand on your little soapbox.
TheChemist77
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yes,always 25 plants in 5x5 dwc great airflo and temp control, havnt learned how to put pics up yet,new to computers.but im looking forward to showing my set up off,plants in flower now come down next week at that time ill be putting in 25 more and was asking if i should trim them now or into flower,,i started another post and everyone was saying 2 weeks into flower you determine which branches may need to be trimmed off but was also told that with 2 600 watt hps lights above not to trim because its more than enough light to penetrate lower buds if the finished plants are 3-3-1/2 feet tall. i normally start w rooted clones and they get 1-3 weeks of veg depending on the strain,more indica more veg because less stretch in flower u know.... im hoping by next week i can get someone to help me get a pic for u guys,,i made it myself and its kind of a dwc,and ebb n flow mix..anyways its been working great and the roots are massive..i only pull yellowing fan leaves and the large fan leaves that have surved their purpose, and dont pull any during the last week of flower because those yellowing leaves are just from the flush pulling all nuts out..still not sure if i should start trimming lower branches???maybe next batch ill trim a couple and see the dif
TheChemist77
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its all a piont of viiew! my point of view maybe different from yours even if we both seen the same thing,,,so truth,,is only your truth or his truth... why did you tell me my father was dead?? your father was decieved by the dark side so at that point aniken was dead and he became darth vader was so i told the truth,from my point of view!lolYou speak for "people" and "no1" as in everyone and you mention "egos"?
I only care for the truth, and when in search for the truth all that matters is what you "know" (opposed what you want to see for example). If that what you know isn't so, the conclusion derived from it isn't necessarily the truth. Your comment, despite the spelling error, does cover the real issue: "no1 wants to admit they're wrong" as if it's about them... instead of their info being either inaccurate, incomplete or flat out irrelevant. "You're argument is invalid" does however get the same butthurt response as "you are wrong" so yeah... it's mostly egos and not facts that get in the way of the pursuit for knowledge...
TheChemist77
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Soyy bro,,im really into jedi shit its like a bible, not trying to start anything just bsn...2+2=4 fact or truth,id say fact as truth may differ from person to person..Also its right people do tend to see what they want to see. and believe what they want to believe sometimes with no proof only faith or false hopes.You speak for "people" and "no1" as in everyone and you mention "egos"?
I only care for the truth, and when in search for the truth all that matters is what you "know" (opposed what you want to see for example). If that what you know isn't so, the conclusion derived from it isn't necessarily the truth. Your comment, despite the spelling error, does cover the real issue: "no1 wants to admit they're wrong" as if it's about them... instead of their info being either inaccurate, incomplete or flat out irrelevant. "You're argument is invalid" does however get the same butthurt response as "you are wrong" so yeah... it's mostly egos and not facts that get in the way of the pursuit for knowledge...
sex pistil
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Or maybe it just showed how bad your technique sucked.
Sativied
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A fact is something that is known to be true. If 2+2 is not 4 (as in false, as in not the truth) from certain point of views then I can see how defoliating might work
Sure, because you look at it subjectively, and I objectively, from above, like a bird.
No, not "all", but it it's a major factor yes. That' why we share arguments, to reach a common (objective) point of view, and then it's just a matter of logic. Many seem to fail on all three accounts (produce valid arguments, stay objective, and don't be stupid).
Good talk
Uncle Ben
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And now we have a newborn Troll-It-Up member opining...... 
I don't consider leaves flowers.
Get your facts straight, shit-fer-brains.
UB
Cannabis flowers, pistils or stamens, are not capable of photosynthesis and they aren't green. That goes for calyxes too.
I don't consider leaves flowers.
Get your facts straight, shit-fer-brains.
UB
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Uncle Ben
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So you just "signed up" to just to troll, eh? 
Unkie Ben doesn't take kindly to repeating himself with every new crop of smart ass noobs nor those who take his posts out of context.
Uncle Ben
I've taken on lil trolls like you for over 15 years. A recommendation, before you starting "shredding them to bits", you best get your happy ass back into the defoliation/lollipopping threads and read them first.
Unkie Ben doesn't take kindly to repeating himself with every new crop of smart ass noobs nor those who take his posts out of context.
Uncle Ben
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TheChemist77
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Nice pics in your journal! your set up looks almost just like mine, mine is 5x5 with 4'' pvc,,, what size tubes and pots u useing? also we both use 2 600 watters they seem very close..maybe only a few diferences i use rockwool cubes insted of stones but i can run either way i thought about switching to stones as they can be reused and save money...anyways NICEA fact is something that is known to be true. If 2+2 is not 4 (as in false, as in not the truth) from certain point of views then I can see how defoliating might work
Sure, because you look at it subjectively, and I objectively, from above, like a bird.
No, not "all", but it it's a major factor yes. That' why we share arguments, to reach a common (objective) point of view, and then it's just a matter of logic. Many seem to fail on all three accounts (produce valid arguments, stay objective, and don't be stupid).
Good talk