brandon.
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According to string theory we have a lot more dimensions than just 3. Hard to imagine though...
God did not Create the Universe, says Hawking
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LightningMcGreen
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Haha, yeah true, I read Michio Kaku's Physics of the Impossible and currently working on one of his other ones, Hyperspace...also have watched countless lectures on youtube and some of the discovery science shows...I love science, especially cosmology
I dunno though, when I hear someone say "possibly 11 total dimensions, but the others are so infinitesmally small, we could never see them", it just doesn't make much sense to me lol...wonder how many great physicists toke n think of this stuff haha
IregAt420
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Ok, I posted in a topic that I havent really researched, probably my fault, sorry I dont know a whole lot about the theories, but come on your being a DICK. I didnt mean to upset you by saying I dont think you can throw milk, butter, and flour in the air and you get a FUCKING CAKE.
You dont have to be that knowledgeable to understand that.
mindphuk
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Call me a dick all you want, that's a personal attack and merely shows the weakness of your claims. This is a debate forum, if you don't want harsh criticism, don't make claims about topics that you don't know enough to defend. Maybe ask questions from one of the scientists here on one of the many threads devoted to evolution and exposing the vast number of creationist and ID bunk for what it really is and that is a complete denial of the evidence in favor of religious dogma. When you come here and make claims about the thousands of hominid fossils that show evidence of our evolution from more primitive species as all fake, not to mention your total lack of understand of the actual claims of evolution, then you deserve to be harshly criticized. Science needs to be defended against the ignorant advances of pseudo-sciences and it will be defended vigorously. Make no mistake, if you make a stupid, unscientific, claim unsupported by any actual evidence in the growing part of this website, you will be criticized very soundly there as well so why do you think this area should be any different? These forums are public and correcting you and your misconceptions are not only a value to you but to everyone reading the thread.
Now I'm not sure what to make of your rantings about cake. If you think that science, including biological science which is based primarily on the idea of common descent, is easy to understand as a cake recipe, I am sorry to report that it is not as simple as you may think and involve many areas of science including chemistry and now genetics. Many of these topics are not simple to understand and often certain prior knowledge is required to gain understanding. These things can be taught but it also requires an ability to think logically and rationally which some people cannot do especially when it is contrary to dogma. If you're interested, there are some videos that we can post that attempt to simplify these topics but they still require some time commitment. However, please stop whining about being mistreated. Nothing I said was a personal attack as everything was directed at your claims, not you as an individual. Calling me a dick is definitely a personal attack and you can get warned by the mods for it, but I personally don't care. I'd be more interested in whether or not you are interested in learning something new.
IregAt420
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As always I am interested in learning, but like I said, I cant watch those vids or get really involved in the research. I am way to set on my ways that there is a One God that created all this. Dont take it personally, because your belief is yours. Now, I will take back my dick comment, it was unnecessary.
I def dont believe science is simple, especially chemistry. I guess the cake thing was my metaphor for spontaneous earth.
I def dont believe science is simple, especially chemistry. I guess the cake thing was my metaphor for spontaneous earth.
Padawanbater2
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If you can't watch a 5 minute youtube video or get involved in the research, then you are not interested in learning.
It takes much, MUCH more than that to understand this stuff. It takes years of training to understand such complex theories. That's why they start out teaching us about biology in 3rd or 4th grade, then you continue to take it all the way till you graduate high school.
I'd like to know though, how do you believe human beings came to be?
IregAt420
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I believe their is a One God above everything. And you guys all want proof huh....well all I can say is look around you. Nature is the most beautiful thing there is here and I see God in it every single day.
I also believe religion has been thwarted. I am not extremist in either way, I just go on with what I believe. I think religion can get in a way of "peoples power", so it has been slowly changed in the ways of man. Thats why we have extremism..
Im not going to watch any youtube video or do any research because I feel no need to. Im solid in what I believe.
-I never was interested in science...but I used to be able to sit down and debate with fellow church goers. And I would argue AGAINST God to see what their answers would be. I wouldn't sit here and say that I believe God created something so vast and complex as the Earth, if I wasn't 100% sure.
And I guess in the end....I'd rather be safe then sorry. But if I'm worm food then everything we have ever done has been a waste.
I also believe religion has been thwarted. I am not extremist in either way, I just go on with what I believe. I think religion can get in a way of "peoples power", so it has been slowly changed in the ways of man. Thats why we have extremism..
Im not going to watch any youtube video or do any research because I feel no need to. Im solid in what I believe.
-I never was interested in science...but I used to be able to sit down and debate with fellow church goers. And I would argue AGAINST God to see what their answers would be. I wouldn't sit here and say that I believe God created something so vast and complex as the Earth, if I wasn't 100% sure.
And I guess in the end....I'd rather be safe then sorry. But if I'm worm food then everything we have ever done has been a waste.
Padawanbater2
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How could you possibly believe that?
You see no value in creating a successful future for future generations of human beings? How unbelievable selfish are you to make a statement like that? That's the kind of stuff that infuriates me about believers. They care only about themselves while putting up the false front, and it's extremely sad because in most cases, as with this one, the believer in question can't even see what's happening, of caring about fellow human beings and perpetuating religious lies for some false sense of comfort.
In the end you'd rather be safe than sorry?
In the end, I'd rather live 80* years of freedom than an eternity of slavery.
IregAt420
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Whoa, I never said I didnt care. If I implied that, then I guess my brain isnt working as well today...
The summer I went to Alaska for a mission trip, I actually almost got SENT HOME for helping the residents carry up their fish. I made a huge deal of it, and got into with the director of the program. Have you not seen any of my other threads? I care a lot about our people and our future. I definitely dont boast or push any certain type of religion on a person.
And I was very skeptical in saying the whole safe than sorry thing, I just really didnt know how else to explain it.Thats def not a way to go about believing in God.
I guess I'm confused about your post. Please inform me where I said anything about not caring about future generations.
Edit: I also dont believe this as a false sense of comfort. Thats like saying Mary Jane is a false sense of happiness. I am not putting up a front, I'm saying what I believe. Im not pushing an agenda for my church, but I will represent my Southern Baptist church because I'm in a way like minded to their beliefs. I enjoy the fellowship.
The summer I went to Alaska for a mission trip, I actually almost got SENT HOME for helping the residents carry up their fish. I made a huge deal of it, and got into with the director of the program. Have you not seen any of my other threads? I care a lot about our people and our future. I definitely dont boast or push any certain type of religion on a person.
And I was very skeptical in saying the whole safe than sorry thing, I just really didnt know how else to explain it.Thats def not a way to go about believing in God.
I guess I'm confused about your post. Please inform me where I said anything about not caring about future generations.
Edit: I also dont believe this as a false sense of comfort. Thats like saying Mary Jane is a false sense of happiness. I am not putting up a front, I'm saying what I believe. Im not pushing an agenda for my church, but I will represent my Southern Baptist church because I'm in a way like minded to their beliefs. I enjoy the fellowship.
Padawanbater2
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How could you be 100% sure? A requirement for belief is faith. There is no proof of any god.
Whoa, I never said I didnt care. If I implied that, then I guess my brain isnt working as well today...
The summer I went to Alaska for a mission trip, I actually almost got SENT HOME for helping the residents carry up their fish. I made a huge deal of it, and got into with the director of the program. Have you not seen any of my other threads? I care a lot about our people and our future. I definitely dont boast or push any certain type of religion on a person.
And I was very skeptical in saying the whole safe than sorry thing, I just really didnt know how else to explain it.Thats def not a way to go about believing in God.
I guess I'm confused about your post. Please inform me where I said anything about not caring about future generations.
Edit: I also dont believe this as a false sense of comfort. Thats like saying Mary Jane is a false sense of happiness. I am not putting up a front, I'm saying what I believe. Im not pushing an agenda for my church, but I will represent my Southern Baptist church because I'm in a way like minded to their beliefs. I enjoy the fellowship.
That's exactly what I meant when I said the believer in question can't even see what's happening.
You admitted you think that without a God running the show, everything every human being has ever accomplished is for nothing. As an atheist, I understand how someone could come up with this viewpoint, but why they'd believe it's true is a mystery...
We build upon our achievements and each one is priceless. It's a step in the direction of progress, and one day we'll have enough answers to answer questions some of the very first humans thought up.
What's the goal if the whole god story is true about our existence? You die, then what? Serve in heaven for eternity? How does the story end?
IregAt420
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Would it not be a waste? Yes we have had accomplishments that make this world a better or more understandable place. But in the end, what does it all mean? I am very thankful for these accomplishments, but I dont see where it does anybody good...when everyone is gone.
And from what I understand, we wont serve in Heaven. It will be greater than anything we can even imagine...from what I understand. Now, with that being said, I do believe we will have our duties there, as on earth. Praising our God, Worshiping...is that to much to ask for our Creator?
And to bring up slavery...Are we not slaves right now? 8-3 9-5 jobs that dont mean shit. We are doin the dirty work for all the politicians and all the people pulling the strings. They spend every waking moment making us fight between eachother to keep us off their backs. Can you support a family on minimum wage? Its hard enough on food stamps.
Thats what I meant about religions being merely a TOOL in the scheme of man. You create differences/sects and they all fight between themselves instead of seeing their fucking COMMON GROUND. Which, I believe thats what leads a deep thinking and intellectual individual, like yourself Pad, to Atheism. But please do not take that offensively, I am not judging the fact you are an atheist, just making my point on that subject.
Edit: To answer your first question, I've seen first hand lives being changed by becoming a believer. Not by some miracle man or holy water, but actually giving your life over to God, and living and providing a respectable example for others. I seen a meth addict at church camp quit..just like that. I'm still in contact with him and I even smoked a few J's with him. But he hasnt touched meth since. And he looks sooo much better since...he is a more pleasant being since then. It does require Faith, I have Faith that Our God will prevail over this evil on earth.
And from what I understand, we wont serve in Heaven. It will be greater than anything we can even imagine...from what I understand. Now, with that being said, I do believe we will have our duties there, as on earth. Praising our God, Worshiping...is that to much to ask for our Creator?
And to bring up slavery...Are we not slaves right now? 8-3 9-5 jobs that dont mean shit. We are doin the dirty work for all the politicians and all the people pulling the strings. They spend every waking moment making us fight between eachother to keep us off their backs. Can you support a family on minimum wage? Its hard enough on food stamps.
Thats what I meant about religions being merely a TOOL in the scheme of man. You create differences/sects and they all fight between themselves instead of seeing their fucking COMMON GROUND. Which, I believe thats what leads a deep thinking and intellectual individual, like yourself Pad, to Atheism. But please do not take that offensively, I am not judging the fact you are an atheist, just making my point on that subject.
Edit: To answer your first question, I've seen first hand lives being changed by becoming a believer. Not by some miracle man or holy water, but actually giving your life over to God, and living and providing a respectable example for others. I seen a meth addict at church camp quit..just like that. I'm still in contact with him and I even smoked a few J's with him. But he hasnt touched meth since. And he looks sooo much better since...he is a more pleasant being since then. It does require Faith, I have Faith that Our God will prevail over this evil on earth.
GanjaGirl<3
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Hawking is such a silly man.
rking1985
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hawking does make a lot of sense IF you have an open mind.. not secluded to the "facts" of religion. I ask of many of you.. would you not call someone silly if they said they could split a sea in half and defy the laws of gravity?? OF COURSE!! because it is silly.
Anyone want to throw in some comments about the flying spaghetti monster?
Let's please.
Anyone want to throw in some comments about the flying spaghetti monster?
Let's please.
crackerboy
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Ponder this. All the knowledge obtained by man is revealed by God. All these scientists are doing is discovering how God does is work. Mans knowledge is foolishness to God. Gods knowledge is foolishness to the unbeliever.
IregAt420
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Obviously, the reason you cant understand it is because you cant appreciate something as sacred as the relationship Moses had with God. He put all of his FAITH and TRUST into God, and look what happens.
My Bible, NIV version:
Philippians 4:13 I can do everything through him who gives me strength
-Im not trying to be a Bible Thumper...but that verse has always stuck out to me.
Moses saved a RACE of people from certain death. Lead them away from slavery. And with Gods help, crossed the Sea so the Egyptians couldnt catch them. Thats power. God saved Israel.The Holy Land. God secured the Israelites to flourish...and you question Gods power now....someday you will see.
Spaghetti Monster???
----Please!
My Bible, NIV version:
Philippians 4:13 I can do everything through him who gives me strength
-Im not trying to be a Bible Thumper...but that verse has always stuck out to me.
Moses saved a RACE of people from certain death. Lead them away from slavery. And with Gods help, crossed the Sea so the Egyptians couldnt catch them. Thats power. God saved Israel.The Holy Land. God secured the Israelites to flourish...and you question Gods power now....someday you will see.
Spaghetti Monster???
----Please!
Padawanbater2
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If that were true, why do all the fundamentalists oppose modern science at every opportunity, in every major religion?
No he didn't. That story obviously shouldn't be taken literally, and I've never seen any interpretation that isn't. Nothing about the Exodus is scientifically accurate.
Padawanbater2
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Science doesn't work like that. You are the one making the claim right, so it's your responsibility to prove the claim you're making. I can make claims all day long, the reason the scientific community doesn't take every single random claim made by anybody seriously is because it would take too much time. Claims are prioritized by plausibility, accuracy, evidence, etc.
So the claim is - Moses parted the Red Sea. Start with that. Show me any piece of evidence to support the theory that any human being could accomplish that task. How would someone do it? We'll get into the plagues after that...
No, I do not believe Noah's arc and the flood are real either. I don't believe the Earth is 6,000 years old. I don't believe snakes can speak and people are made of dirt... No, I believe in a 21st century scientific and medical consensus. (you do too, you just don't realize it)
Those stories are impossible. Especially Noah's Arc.
IregAt420
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It really is hard to argue with an Atheist...lol. Relentless. I've told you I cannot provide any evidence proving it happened. But again you will say you dont believe in Faith. Or, "Blind Faith" as the scientifically orientated person would say. I have Faith God is real. He is here with us everywhere we look. I also believe in the Devil, and that is what you see everyday when you watch T.V. for the last 4 hours of your day. News...everything. Materialistic bullshit being flashed in front of your kids eyes everyday. And the same people that own the Media, own every other major corporation.
I believe in GOD because I dont see God everyday. Every prophecy known to man in The Bible has came true, except for one if I'm correct. Which means the Anti-Christ has been at work for centuries. Atheist and Agnostic alike fall for his tricks of propaganda and "science".
I believe in GOD because I dont see God everyday. Every prophecy known to man in The Bible has came true, except for one if I'm correct. Which means the Anti-Christ has been at work for centuries. Atheist and Agnostic alike fall for his tricks of propaganda and "science".