Grow Journal: Hindu Kush - CFL

im sure. i think its very cold there

CanadianGrowMan said:

Yo CCB! I might be needing some seeds for next year! pm me, i'd like to see what kind of stuff you have

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Well I`m going to have to do invetory then.I`ll pm you either later to-day or tomorrow morning CGM.ccb

cheetah2007 said:

im sure. i think its very cold there

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24 degrees celsius at the moment.ccb

24 is cool, but -40 in the winter is not

Nice another canadian and ontarian to boot.. Welcome to the thread CCB.. man where were you like 2 months ago when I was begging people for even bagseeds.. lol..

I'm very interested in your stock list as well sir Could ya PM me aswell

Thanks for the compliments
-Tdot

Check out my thread in the Outdoor growing guy`s.About the only seeds I don`t have from that thread is the GG#2`s.But I will PM you`s both.ccb

hey FT looking really good brother, one question tho, you said you plan to veg until the plants are 12-15 inches, what do you plan to do after that? I know you plan to flower, but will it only be to determine sex, and then revert to veg, and take clones? the reason I ask is that if you flower at 12-15 inches you could end up with plants that are 3 feet tall, and you would need alot more light in that case...........

and yeah, deterimining sex earlier on would be beneficial

Hey Guys,

Well D, CGM.. I've been doing a lot of thought into exactly what you asked .. As in the future of my grow..Concrete Plans... Try to take atleast 1 clone that then takes root, if for nothing more than to practise cloning... So I think I'm honestly starting to lean more towards vegging these guys for a few more weeks then tossing them to 12/12...Specially with the introduction of what appears to be my new "breeder" CCB.... I think I might flower these plants hope for a female.. and then start from seed or clone??! from CCB and improve upon this first grow..

If I were to want to flower with the amount of light I have now with the possibility of adding 2 more bulbs.. What size would you guys suggest I veg till ? Or how much longer ?

Thanks in advance

-Tdot

Off to the outdoor section to check out CCBs thread and his "goodies" he he

On the nutes.... I like the experiment... and both plants will be better off with either nutes... so you will have a "good" and "better" situation... with no negatives... I say keep the experiment going... if there is a dramatic deference between the 2 nutes... you will see it soon... as soon as you start to notice something significant... then just switch over the to better nutes.

BigD brings up a good point... You should start planing on your calender when you want to switch.. and take the initial flowering stretch into consideration.

To speed up sexing... I was giving the advice to take a cutting from each plant and force the clone to flower. You will know the sex of your plants as early as possible.. and have a bowls worth of bud from your clone =] ... I wish I would have gone that route.. it would have saved me a lot of frustration.. lol

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I've considered that route as well Wolf in my journey of thoughts.. however that would require me have a separate Flowering chamber.. which I haven't been able to complete for financial reasons.. Its starting to look more and more as if I'm going to grow them for a short while longer 1 - 2 weeks of Veg and then Just put them into 12/12 and pray for ladies...Whether I clone or not a males a males a dead plant.. lol.. So if it turns out I have a lady its not too late to take 1 clone pretty much right after I have sexed it and I can keep that in my basement under some shop lights/cfls for atleast the first week or 3..

So let me work this out correctly.. and please correct me if I'm wrong guys..
Veg max 2 more weeks
24 hrs Inital Darkness (Worked for Wolf, maybe it'll work for me ??.. Can't hurt)
6-7 days till first signs of sex show
55 -60 Days Of Flowerin According to breeder.

If I check a caldender that would put 60 day harvest at...Roughly October 20th..
Man, that seems like forever lol... I should NOT have just done that.. lol..

Ok SO. I'm making up my mind right now... These plants will go through the scheduale I posted above assuming its ok..I will try to take 1 - 3 clones from either plant when it shows sex as a attempt in cloning. If my clones take root I'll just put them in and flower them for a few mini buds....I know this doesn't coinside with my original plan.. but hey, this is growing.. things change on a moments notice.. I think for me, this is now the best route to go without getting into too much detail

What do you guys think ?
-Tdot

just going to give you my opinion take it for what you think its worth, I think you should flip to flower now, if I remebr correctly 6-8 inches is ideal when using cfls, again you have to account for the strtch in flowering 2-3 times the size from when they start...and with your plants growing so compact they may not stretch enough for you to get a good clone until you start flowering.........it is possible to take a clone once sex has shown and root and flower under 12 hours of light, come check out my grow.........

I don't think my plants are even 6 inches yet.. I'm trying to imagine even if they grow 3 times in height I have to also take into consideration girth.. Now another question D since I have you here man.. I don't want to have to transplant them again.. They are in 6inch pots (across the top opening) I can just start to see slight white roots in one maybe two of HK's Drainage holes.. I know I've seen ppl grow in like 2L coke bottles so I'm assuming I'm ok.. but yet another reason to switch to flower sooner than later.. There is 1 main thing stopping me from switching to flower right away.. and to be honest its the simple fact I just Yesterday purchased Veg nutes..Now If I veg for say another week to get in 2 waterings with the nutes then Id be a bit quicker to move.. I won't have money for bloom nutes for probably another 2 weeks now... in knowing that what would you suggest??

Others opinions are more than welcome as well !!
-Tdot

Infact D, I'm reading over your journal right now and well post #109 by wolfman is sort of sounding like what I should do as well.. maybe try to copy more your idea of a mini sog..hmm...

-Tdot

IMHO sog is the only way to go you cant go wrong with perpetual smoke..I think you will be fine, using the veg nutes until you buy flower nutes i personally use the same nutes from seed to weed, its a walmart special mix lol, but it works like you wouldnt beleive...ok you have one area to work with right now, I am going perpetual 12/12 but I think you should flip to flower right now, when your girls show, flip back to veg take clones let them root, this should give you enough time to pull some funds together to create your second area, my recomendation would be to make a veg clone area it will require less light thus cheaper and faster to put together, after that is done you are set to go perpetual..........granted this will increase the time before you smoke your own, but as long as you manage and maintain it you can become self sufficient

So then it'd be "safe to say" that it wouldn't hurt the plants if I were to say start 12/12 this weekend and use Veg specific (NPK) nutes for the first 2 weeks of flowering ? Then Bloom nutes for the final 6 weeks or so ?? I mean to be 100% honest I'm not entirely opposed to starting flowering sooner than later for reasons I care not to talk about...However (to anyone) Could I not take a clone or two from a plant while its in flowering... like for instance if/when HK shows female after 1 -1.5 weeks 12/12 couldn't I take a cutting then from a side branch so as to not hurt the main cola ?? Then just root that clone in my new veg area and possibly even make that clone a mother...kinda stoned and thinking out loud.. I appreciate the help this afternoon D...

on a side note.. I happened to have been reading DrGreen on Icmag about half a week ago, man were you right about him taking shit on there.. its kinda sad..but it goes both ways either way the important thing is his grows are incredible.. inspirational to say the least... but then again I find a lot of my inspiration from you, Wolfman, and Dr.Chronic...not to mention all the other awesome ppl who have been around my thread !!

Thanks Everyone !!
-Tdot

Was just having a little stare at the girls and some rotating of the pots.. I'm noticing the top of the soil looks rather dry.. so I do my usual finger into the soil.. damn.. its kinda dry.. and HK is lookin a wee bit droopy.. I can't believe how much water these 2 ladies are drinking.. its kinda crazy.. I mean I gave them a fairly heavy watering (or so I thought) only 3 days ago.. I guess that's actually not all too bad.. I just thought it was heavy enough to last almost a week...Well.. this sorta solves atleast one problem

Today both plants are getting their first nutrient/superthrive dose watering !!!...
Now I have to make up 1 gallon for each which I'm not going to use the entire thing but just to make measuring easier.. Time to go mix it up, and check the pH.. I'll come back here before I water to see if anyone has any suggestions or comments..

-Tdot

Thanks toronto, you as well have inspired my grow in alot of ways so any help i can give you is the least i could do. I would just stick with the botanicare and then when you can afford it get some flowering nutes high in Phosphorous. Im at day 18 right now and im going to veg for probaly 10 more days and then 12/12. Once i start 12/12 im probably going to start using Fox Farm Cha Ching Soluble Fertilizer (9-50-10). The main reason i went with Fox Farm is because the of the Big Bloom. It can be used from seedling to harvest safely and that is a big plus to me. Because i like you don't have the money to buy more flowering nutes so im going to use the Big Bloom for a few flowering weeks until i can get the Cha Ching.

Alrighty,

So the ladies just had a nice BIG drink of water with their first taste of nutes.. As per Wolfmans request I followed through with my experiment...to recap that.. HK is getting PureBlend Pro Grow and TH is getting 20-20-20 Neither at full strength and both with 1 drop of superthrive.. Thats it for now.. Can't wait to see if we have nice growth for the evening update.. or better yet tomorrow morning... I'm thinking about when to switch to 12/12 technically HK will be one month old on Sept 5.. Thats really not far away.. I could wait till shes a month.. OR the other option is to switch at the end of this weekend.. I know where bigD's vote is.. How about everyone else ??

-Tdot

One last thing to say before I shut up for a while.. lol.. I just decided to take 2 brand new unsharpened pencils and a sharpie.. Basically I'm making a measuring stick for my 2 plants.. and I wrote the date beside the line so I can actually "SEE" the growth in a physical number. Boy o Boy can pictures be decieving.. Heres the TRUE heights of both my plants

HK - 1.75" Yep thats right 1 and 3/4 inches, lol.. but thats not saying much about her, I have atleast 3 nodes and a few more starting offshoots all over the plant.

TH - 2.25" Noticeably taller than HK, however with fewer nodes and sets of leaves.

So the question is now reasked.. Flower this early ?? Or wait a few more weeks... I do suppose the new nutrients/SuperThrive will play a unknown variable for atleast the next few days....for the first time I'm a lil stumped....my reading and knowledge tell me to let it get a bit bigger if I want any chance of having a somewhat decent harvest (1/2 oz) but then again having seen what a few ppl are doing.. when I do get a female I could just clone and put clone straight to flower and keep one to grow as a mother type thing.. so many thoughts...I'm goin for a bong hit and dinner.. No more thoughts for a while...

-Tdot