insid33
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Just about every free market product has. That is what happens when economy moves at a snails pace.
Half million people already signed up for "Obamacare"
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JonnyAppleSeed420
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Won't matter what system they bring in. The filthy rich will keep on using the old system and get proper care. The middle class working stiff will pay for everyone while waiting 17 hours at the emergency that is filled with low life scum that are drunk and bleeding from fighting. This is how your dollars will be spent. Until you get the rich paying their fair share, the poor helping themselves out nothing will change for the working class stiffs other than they will take home less money. JAS
His claim is accurate but misleading. The rate of premium increases was declining when Bush was still president, from a 10% increase in 2003 to a 7.65% increase in 2008. The rate this year is 6.28%, but premiums have increased by 28% since Obamacare was passed.
If the claim is that Obamacare was supposed to slow increases in premiums, we're spending a fortune for a rate that's barely any different than it was without Obamacare, whether Bush or Obama was president.
Harrekin
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Hold on a fucking second, I do believe "the 10%" pay over 50% of all tax revenues.
Is that not their "fair share"?
ChesusRice
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Try google
The top 10% paid 71% of all federal income taxes in 2009 and earned 43% of the income.
Doer
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So, really?
Let's review. For whatever reason.....and very good reasons, mostly, only 1/2 will pay any tax. It is a Progressive system.
That 1/2 that cannot be covered some other way, 30 million or so, will have free coverage.
They pay no tax, so there can be no tax penalty. So, this is ObamaTax in medical, in order to provide some structure for heath care outside the Emergency room.
It is also the attempt to cut fraud and waste in Medicare....I don't think people understand the scope of this Abuse.
We also live in a Age of crybabies. And if everything works well, no one can cry...no fun. Seriously, I see the use of the Press these days for what they are good at.
Bad News. So, if you want the Peps to pay attention, it has to be bad news, alas.
Beefbisquit
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Ok, no one should go broke or in debt from getting healthcare. I hear what you're saying though, the situation in the USA is much different than the one in Canada.
I'm Canadian so I don't understand how anyone could possibly pay for healthcare. It seems so foreign and absurd.
If I need any medical procedure or attention, I go to the hospital, flash my medical card, get my treatment and walk away. I've never waited more than a couple hours (and it wasn't that serious), and the times I've split my head or leg wide open I didn't wait at all.
Never paid a bill for anything. My father had a knee replacement done, no bill. My mother has had 3 shoulder surgeries, no bills.
My 3rd party insurance that I pay for through work covers my drugs, <$5 for any prescription, and it covers my dental and vision care to 90%. I get $500 for massages, and $1000 for Physio per year, $200 for glasses every two years, and a bunch of other shit. It's like $30/month and comes right off my paycheque.
Why not? Medical care is expensive, isn't it? If individual people don't think bankruptcy or debt is worth expensive medical procedures that will keep them alive, why should anyone else?
You're equating not getting a bill with not paying for it. Compare taxation in the United States to taxation in Canada and it should be obvious that you are paying for it, just indirectly.
Beefbisquit
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Everyone should have the right to life, and no one should have to choose between losing everything they have for themselves and their families, and being alive. That's ridiculous.
That's one of the differences between Americans and Canadians; Canadians want to ensure everyone is taken care of. Everyone. Not just those that can afford it.
FEDERAL TAX RATES FOR 2013 IN CANADA
- 15% on the first $43,561 of taxable income, +
- 22% on the next $43,562 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $43,561 up to $87,123), +
- 26% on the next $47,931 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $87,123 up to $135,054), +
- 29% of taxable income over $135,054.
I know we 'pay' for it in taxes, and it's worth it. Period.
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html
Doer
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I agree. This certainly comes under, Right to Life.
Yet, that phase, "taken care of" can be somewhat sinister. It has many nuances of meaning.
And the ones that queue up for MRI or some other advanced diagnostic are rationed.
Mostly that is OK. But, some are, in all medical programs, taken care of in an absolute sense.
And that is the hidden horror of it all. It already comes up.
How can Dick Cheny (of all people) deserve another heart operation?
See? Pick and Choose already happens. HMO is shit compared to PPO.
Do we want a national HMO, like Canada?
Do, we want the pick and choose mitigated by lawsuit, fraud and waste or the Federal govt, fraud and waste but no lawsuits, all tax based?
Poor choices.
Yet, that phase, "taken care of" can be somewhat sinister. It has many nuances of meaning.
And the ones that queue up for MRI or some other advanced diagnostic are rationed.
Mostly that is OK. But, some are, in all medical programs, taken care of in an absolute sense.
And that is the hidden horror of it all. It already comes up.
How can Dick Cheny (of all people) deserve another heart operation?
See? Pick and Choose already happens. HMO is shit compared to PPO.
Do we want a national HMO, like Canada?
Do, we want the pick and choose mitigated by lawsuit, fraud and waste or the Federal govt, fraud and waste but no lawsuits, all tax based?
Poor choices.
ChesusRice
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Impossible all the republicans tell me no one likes your health system
greenlikemoney
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No way they hit 7 million, and the farce is that the welfare goons who will be getting it for free are probably the unhealthiest people on the planet. The ACA will implode, it was doomed to fail before it even started.
ChesusRice
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If they are on welfare. They are already Covered by medicaid and won't affect rates at all
Beefbisquit
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In some urban areas there are lineups for things like mRI's, but that's the exception to the rule. I've lived in a few provinces, spanning a few thousand kms, and never had any issues.
There are things that aren't covered in Canadian health care; anything cosmetic isn't covered. And some things require additional charges, like vaccines and the like. Overall, the system in Canada has more pros than cons.
JonnyAppleSeed420
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No its not enough! Taxes should be gauged by your income status. Your filthy rich you pay the most, your poor you pay the least. Loop holes and off shore accounts all fall back onto the working class guy/gal who can't makes ends meet without going into debt. What the Hell do you think has gotten us in this position? The filthy rich and their accountants, lawyers and their huge donations to politicians that make sure laws don't change....Give your head a shake...JAS
Lurkdewitt
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Blah blah blah who really cares. Poorly written, angry stoner rant.
The biggest reasons a single payer will be hard to put in place in the US is because most working Canadians pay income taxes, even the lower income workers contribute. Where as 50% of workers in America pay absolutely nothing in income taxes. Plus, because of the higher cost of living, the average Canadian is forced to live a more modest lifestyle than their average American neighbors.
ChesusRice
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JonnyAppleSeed420
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Call it what you want. If you want to call it punishment, maybe it should fit the crime then. When I see someone spend more money on a accountant or lawyer to "hide" their income then most make in a year, then pay less taxes then the average citizen...You bet I think that is criminal. Its only fair if the average citizen ends up paying 50% of their income as a tax levy , so should the rich. Maybe if they implemented a law like something like this these, fuck tards that have wrecked the system would spread the wealth a bit. Maybe instead of taxing a minimum wage worker to pay for their medical, how about a tax incentive to these rich bastards...PAY THE MEDICAL OR HAVE YOUR INCOME SEIZED AND YOU THROWN OUT OF THE COUNTRY! 2% of your population hold 80% of the wealth...WTF! Time to find these guys and teach them the meaning of a society. JAS