st0wandgrow
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If you listen to her words only, sure. But if you look at her actions and her history she is anything but an advocate for black people.
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PCXV
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I wouldn't say that. Misguided at times? Yes. But like Bernie, I think she tries. There is something to say about age and rigidity for both of them IMO. They are from a different time.
st0wandgrow
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The crime bill of her hubbys that she toured the country promoting is possibly the most racist piece of legislation in the last 50 years. Granted that was in the 90's, bust still. I even cringe at her support of big banks and some of the excuse making she's done for them. The predatory lending that goes on that targets people of color should horrify someone like her who claims to be an advocate for the black community.
I think she just wants their votes, but really doesn't give a single shit about them. Again, look at her actions. Can you name me something that she has done for the African American community in her political career? I can't think of a damn thing.
Edit: At least Bernie showed up to the civil rights marches. Hillary was supporting a racist fuck for potus while Bernie was being locked up for his part in the protests.
ttystikk
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I think you and I are seeing the same thing in different ways.
Mrs Clinton has been plenty clear about her style during her tenure as Secretary of State, which was rather more recent than the 1990s.
PCXV
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Can you quickly refresh my memory? If not, I will research a bit.
ttystikk
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I respect your opinion.
I just don't think the establishment choice is going to do the other 90% of Americans much good.
That's why I'm still sticking with Bernie and the Progressive Movement.
ttystikk
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War Hawk, all about the 1% and their profit picture, not so much about the situation of the middle and lower classes.
Fogdog
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Oh, so your feelz are hurt that I think Sanders is just average?
That's all I'm saying. Average white politician who was the perfect person to be Senator from Vermont. He's fine with somebody else taking the lead on minority rights issues. His voting record is good in that area.
After the election was over, he dismissed the current civil rights struggles by telling his white audience he agrees that they are tired of political correctness rhetoric. But that's what a white person who is has no connection with the African American and Hispanic American communities would say. The African American and Hispanic communities saw him for who he was almost a year before. He didn't connect with these groups and Clinton did. She got their votes and he didn't.
What you rage about Clinton in your post is true. I'm not defending Clinton here. I'm talking about Bernie who is pretty much running for president right now and asking why isn't he trying to build bridges with an important delegation that he clearly didn't win the last time.
Why is that, tty? Why is Bernie dismissing political correctness instead of building bridges? Why isn't Bernie spending more time in town hall meetings in areas with higher numbers of African Americans and Hispanic Americans? Why is he silent about issues raised by Black Lives Matters?
PCXV
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Not that the past doesn't matter, but for every bad thing she has done or said there has been an adjustment. Would you give Bernie the same benefit of the doubt? Even if it is not to the degree we desire, it should still be recognized.
Hillary has done a few things to appeal to the black community, but your criticism is fair. There is room for improvement IMO, but I don't believe she is tone deaf to racial issues.
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/campaign/294702-what-african-americans-have-to-gain-with-hillary-clinton-as
PCXV
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Context? What would drive her to the military option or what is her motivation for military intervention? I forget the details, but she was involved in a humanitarian crisis where the US stood back and it ended badly, can someone help me out?
Clinton may have been the broker for a New Deal between Us and Them. Bernie might have too. It's up to We The People, right? I would take either over Trump. The silver lining is the opportunity Trump has afforded us. More hope.
Fogdog
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If Bernie had run as a Republican and been a total racist, he might have beaten Trump in the primary for the nomination.
Is that what you just said?
Justin-case
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Bl0wavote, you're fucking idiot. Probably not many poor black folks in Arkansas, huh?
Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, or AACF, is a non-profit advocacy organization which encourages public policy in Arkansas that will benefit children and their families.
Mission To work for the protection, education, and well-being of all children in Arkansas by disseminating information to the public on issues and various governmental programs and operations affecting children and families, preparing research reports, sponsoring educational programs, and assisting other organizations of similar purpose.
Website aradvocates.org
Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families was founded in 1977 by attorney Hillary Rodham[6] as a non-partisan 501(c)(3) group, and continues to be supported by a wide variety of individuals and organizations.
Policy positions and advocacyEdit
In 1992, Arkansas Governor Jim Guy Tucker wanted to end its policy of increasing Aid to Families with Dependent Childrenpayments for additional children born into families on welfare.[7] Governor Tucker said that the proposed policy would encourage women on welfare to use state-provided birth control rather than conceive, and it would save the state of Arkansas one-million dollars per year.[7] Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families opposed the governor's proposed policy, saying it would punish children and their mothers.[7]
In 1994, Governor Tucker proposed expanding the number of crimes for which 14- and 15-year-olds could be tried as adults.[8]Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families opposed the proposed policy, saying it would do nothing beneficial, and it would send more juveniles into the overburdened adult judicial system.[8]
The Arkansas House of Representatives debated a bill that would allow police officers to stop, arrest, and interrogate children without notifying their parents in 1994.[9] Prosecutors were in favor of the bill, saying it was necessary for police at crime scenes to question children who might be witnesses or suspects.[9] The Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families said the bill was clearly unconstitutional because minors lack the legal understanding to waive their constitutional rights without consulting an adult adviser such as their parents.[9]
In 1997, Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families advocated for increasing the number of eligible children participating in the summer lunch program.[10] The group said that just six percent of eligible children participate in the summer lunch program, a rate much lower than any other state.[10] A state agency said the low rate was a result of children having no transportation to serving locations as well as a new state law that students who failed classes were no longer required to attend summer school.[10]
In 1998, Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families advocated for increased availability to child care, saying that families with two parents working needed additional help from the state with childcare so the parents can work.[11]
Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families described Arkansas state income taxes as too high in 2000.[12] The group said that Arkansas state income tax was regressive and put too large a burden on families with lower incomes.[12] The group advocated for a zero-percent income tax rate for families with low incomes, refundable earned income tax credit for low-income families, and elimination of the state sales tax on groceries.[12]
ttystikk
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During the election last year, I heard a story about how the rest of the world was looking at the three main candidates;
Bernie was the A grade, stepping up to the plate
Clinton was the C or passing without distinction
Chump was the F.
And now here we are. The best that can be said is that anything would be an improvement.
I'd rather try for the A than settle for another C. I'm honestly afraid that Kamala Harris is another Tom Perez; an establishment choice reflecting establishment priorities, the other 90% of Americans be damned.
So that's my hope.
ttystikk
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Jesusfuck, WTF are you smoking?
Noooooo- it was a slam on the current racist prick inhabiting the White House and the White supremacists who put him there.
This post reveals your bias more than anyone else's.
Fogdog
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Bernie wasn't a candidate for president in the general election.
I respect your right to close your eyes during the next election cycle and vote for Bernie in the General Election in 2020.
Fogdog
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The topic was about the BLM advocates who forced their way onto the stage and you said what Trump would have done. And so, I just figured you were saying that Bernie should have done that and he would have won. Thanks for setting me straight.
Why is it that the BLM advocates weren't invited to speak at any of Bernie's rallies?
st0wandgrow
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*a
Can you point out where this cause is focused strictly on African Americans? Sounds like its goal is to help all families and children.
If you're going to set the bar that low, I can rattle off dozens of policy positions and bills that Bernie has sponsored/supported that help the black community as well...
A for effort though Justy
Fogdog
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I don't think the African American community is doing that. She won their endorsement. They did what every thinking person would do and chose according to their self interests. It was up to Bernie to convince that delegation that choosing him was in their self interest and he failed to do so.
I don't recall the African American community being nearly as enthusiastic over Clinton as they were over Obama. So there is that.
PCXV
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Hope for an A but accept a C? I mean, that's about the grade I would give the electorate, so what else can I expect/hope for as a result?
Justin-case
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*a
Can you point out where this cause is focused strictly on African Americans? Sounds like its goal is to help all families and children.
If you're going to set the bar that low, I can rattle off dozens of policy positions and bills that Bernie has sponsored/supported that help the black community as well...
A for effort though Justy
Hillary has been a life long advocate for civil rights, women's rights and children's rights, no wonder the alt left\republicans hate her. You said not a damn thing, so there is really no easy way to put this. You're as dumb as a fucking rock, blowavote.