Hillary Fundraiser Offers Thoughts On Her Upcoming Book Tour: "Shut The F**k Up And Go Away!"

st0wandgrow said:

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Padawanbater2 said:

Sanders supporters are sexist..

Sanders supporters are racist..

Every criticism you have of Sanders can come down to one or both of these

Even though I've named at least half a dozen females and POC (sometimes both) who I would support in an election against the establishment Democrat, including Nina Turner and Elizabeth Warren

Criticisms for Harris from the left stem from her actions as attorney general in California and not bringing charges towards Steve Mnuchin for his role directing OneWest Bank after the financial crisis. Then, Harris being the sole Democrat to receive a campaign contribution for her senate run in 2016 from Mnuchin. To an idiot, that might seem kind of suspicious. To anyone who follows or understands how American politics works, that's blatant corruption. Harris chose not to prosecute Mnuchin and he financially backed her senate candidacy in return.

Hillary Clinton won the African American vote during the Democratic primary because of name recognition, not because her policies benefit them more than Sanders' policies. In reality, Sanders' policies are objectively better for minorities than the policies Hillary Clinton espouses. So the idea that more black people voted for Clinton than Sanders means more black people support her policies than Sanders' policies is false. It simply means more black people know who Clinton is than know who Sanders is. The reality is that Sanders has a higher approval rating among African Americans, Hispanics and women than white men, and except for women, both of those demographics approval ratings are higher than Clinton's, too.

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Fogdog said:

This is more of an indictment of Sanders' liberal supporters than it is of Sanders. But it makes Sanders into pretty much an ass.

In the United States, white liberals and progressives have historically shown a serious inability to grapple with the realities of the color line and the enduring power of white supremacy. Many of them are either unable or unwilling to understand that fighting against class inequality does not necessarily remedy the specific harms done to African-Americans and other people of color by white racism.

For example, last Friday Sen. Bernie Sanders spoke in Boston at the Our Revolution Rally, where he said this:

"Some people think that the people who voted for Trump are racists and sexists and homophobes and deplorable folks. I don’t agree, because I’ve been there."

Given Sanders’ long history of fighting for human rights, his comments are profoundly disappointing. They also demonstrate the blind spot and willful myopia that too many white liberals and progressives have toward white racism in America.

Sanders’ defense of Donald Trump’s “white working class” voters can be evaluated on empirical grounds. This is not a case of “unknown unknowns.”
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Sanders is ... committing another error in reasoning and inference, one that is common among white Americans in the post-civil rights era. Racism and white supremacy are not a function of what is in peoples’ hearts, what they tell you about their beliefs or the intentions behind their words or deeds. In reality, racism and white supremacy are a function of outcomes and structures. Moreover, the “nice people” that Sanders is talking about benefit from white privilege and the other unearned advantages that come from being white in America.

http://www.salon.com/2017/04/03/bernie-is-wrong-and-malcolm-was-right-what-white-liberals-so-often-get-wrong-about-racism-and-donald-trump/

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st0wandgrow said:

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PCXV said:

Even if he didn't explicitly invite them, what proof is there that he didn't want them there?

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Fogdog said:

This is more of an indictment of Sanders' liberal supporters than it is of Sanders. But it makes Sanders into pretty much an ass.

In the United States, white liberals and progressives have historically shown a serious inability to grapple with the realities of the color line and the enduring power of white supremacy. Many of them are either unable or unwilling to understand that fighting against class inequality does not necessarily remedy the specific harms done to African-Americans and other people of color by white racism.

For example, last Friday Sen. Bernie Sanders spoke in Boston at the Our Revolution Rally, where he said this:

"Some people think that the people who voted for Trump are racists and sexists and homophobes and deplorable folks. I don’t agree, because I’ve been there."

Given Sanders’ long history of fighting for human rights, his comments are profoundly disappointing. They also demonstrate the blind spot and willful myopia that too many white liberals and progressives have toward white racism in America.

Sanders’ defense of Donald Trump’s “white working class” voters can be evaluated on empirical grounds. This is not a case of “unknown unknowns.”

....edit: empirical grounds given here good stuff, check it out through the link provided below

Sanders is ... committing another error in reasoning and inference, one that is common among white Americans in the post-civil rights era. Racism and white supremacy are not a function of what is in peoples’ hearts, what they tell you about their beliefs or the intentions behind their words or deeds. In reality, racism and white supremacy are a function of outcomes and structures. Moreover, the “nice people” that Sanders is talking about benefit from white privilege and the other unearned advantages that come from being white in America.

http://www.salon.com/2017/04/03/bernie-is-wrong-and-malcolm-was-right-what-white-liberals-so-often-get-wrong-about-racism-and-donald-trump/

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Fogdog said:

No, Clinton did not win the African American vote because of name recognition. You are exhibiting exactly the condescension and dismissive attitude that I was referencing. Also

Your "mens rights movement" support. What's the difference between men's rights and women's rights?

Your "kick social justice warriors to the curb"

Your gratuitous insulting of very fine member of this forum with homophobic insult.

Your disregarding the idea that social issues can matter as much as economic issues to those oppressed by systemic racism. This was the reason given by the communities you speak for, white man.

Thanks for confirming my earlier claims.

Oh and opinion polls don't mean much.

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ttystikk said:

Wow, can you say confirmation bias?

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dagwood45431 said:

Sure can. ttystikk.

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ttystikk said:

You are complaining about a condescending attitude?!

BWAHAHAHA!

GTFO!

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ttystikk said:

Wow, can you say confirmation bias?

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PCXV said:

Maybe they are sexists, racists, and homophobes. But maybe addressing it in Sander's fashion is a decent strategy to unwind and dispell the fear at the root of those irrational fears?

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Fogdog said:

It is a good strategy if Sanders is courting the white vote at the center, moderate left and right. It salves the exhausted white people who are in fact pressed economically along with everybody else. I think this strategy can win back congress for Democrats with Sanders in a powerful role, which wouldn't be a bad thing.

It isn't addressing the issues created by systemic racism in our society and so, just kicks the can down the road. I hate it.

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ttystikk said:

If the choice is between going hungry and dealing with racism, my vote is to deal with hunger first. People who aren't desperate tend to be more receptive to new ideas.

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ttystikk said:

If the choice is between going hungry and dealing with racism, my vote is to deal with hunger first. People who aren't desperate tend to be more receptive to new ideas.

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Fogdog said:

Many of them are either unable or unwilling to understand that fighting against class inequality does not necessarily remedy the specific harms done to African-Americans and other people of color by white racism.

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Fogdog said:

It is a good strategy if Sanders is courting the white vote at the center, moderate left and right. It salves the exhausted white people who are in fact pressed economically along with everybody else. I think this strategy can win back congress for Democrats with Sanders in a powerful role, which wouldn't be a bad thing.

It isn't addressing the issues created by systemic racism in our society and so, just kicks the can down the road. I hate it.

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Justin-case said:

Your claims of Hillary doing nothing for poc, but pandering for their votes are blatantly false. Remember the time you accused me of not being able to admit when I'm wrong, because of my enlarged ego? Yeah that...

Your poor fucking wife. When she agrees with you she's probably just lying to you, because she doesn't want to agrue with your retarded ass.

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Unclebaldrick said:

If any of us are still alive in 2020.

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