How to get more couchlock

Sand4x105

Sand4x105

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  • To imply to someone who wants the strongest buzz possible that amber trichs are bad is just plain dumb, the more amber means the fewer clear & more cloudy, meaning more thc. 10-15% isnt a real number,
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Dude, that is a dumb statement...Sorry... Amber Trics are bad and you do not want them.... = degraded THC
Clear trics = no THC [ok low THC]
Cloudy/milky is what you want....

Yes you will always have amber trics [look on your plant that has a little burn on a leaf tip] near the end, some of those amber/tea colored trics are just damaged, not old...and really not good for anything....
Cut open a bud... Solid Trics through out! Hummm.... almost no amber in the middle? Because they are less damaged from handling/etc...
The more you touch and look, the more damaged the outer trics will be...
Set a bud aside, and really look at it's trics... then as it dries, look at it... it turns from clear to milky as it dries/cures....
Amber Trics will become amber from a few cloudy trics as you dry....
You can never get 100% cloudy, and even if you did, some would turn amber as they dry/cure....
So, shoot for as many Cloudy as you can find.... and as few clear as you can see...
On a healthy plant, it will make clear trics until the day you harvest...
So you will always have clear [on healthy plant] unless you wait too long, and it degrades....
Amber Trics and couch lock have nothing to do with each other...
Shoot for solid nugs [solid Trics through and through]... air bud less trics...
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I shoot for a solid sea of white cream through and through the bud...
I just cut one in half, beautiful white sea of THC....
Just beautiful man... just beautiful...
Wish you were here to smoke it with me...
 
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Jbone77

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Sand4x105 said:

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Dude, that is a dumb statement...Sorry... Amber Trics are bad and you do not want them.... = degraded THC
Clear trics = no THC [ok low THC]
Cloudy/milky is what you want....

Yes you will always have amber trics [look on your plant that has a little burn on a leaf tip] near the end, some of those amber/tea colored trics are just damaged, not old...and really not good for anything....
Cut open a bud... Solid Trics through out! Hummm.... almost no amber in the middle? Because they are less damaged from handling/etc...
The more you touch and look, the more damaged the outer trics will be...
Set a bud aside, and really look at it's trics... then as it dries, look at it... it turns from clear to milky as it dries/cures....
Amber Trics will become amber from a few cloudy trics as you dry....
You can never get 100% cloudy, and even if you did, some would turn amber as they dry/cure....
So, shoot for as many Cloudy as you can find.... and as few clear as you can see...
On a healthy plant, it will make clear trics until the day you harvest...
So you will always have clear [on healthy plant] unless you wait too long, and it degrades....
Amber Trics and couch lock have nothing to do with each other...
Shoot for solid nugs [solid Trics through and through]... air bud less trics...
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I shoot for a solid sea of white cream through and through the bud...
I just cut one in half, beautiful white sea of THC....
Just beautiful man... just beautiful...
Wish you were here to smoke it with me...
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I agreed that mostly cloudy is what you aim for but to harvest when you have more clear than amber is a waste, the bud hasnt fully ripened yet and you will get a different effect. Ripeness is a personal thing but when you want the strongest effect mostly ripe/slightly over ripe will be stronger than mostly ripe/slightly unripe. I have harvested a hermi before that was mostly cloudy with more clear than amber and it was in no way comporable to the plants I harvested later that were mostly cloudy with more amber than clear. That is what I base my opinion by
 
Indoor Sun King

Indoor Sun King

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eaturveggies said:
I'll have an additional week after harvest to let them dry before jarring them. Any good tutorial that you like for doing this right?
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there are several good threads/stickies in the "Harvesting And Curing" section.....and just like every other subject in the MJ world, there are plenty of opinions and options.

a week is a decent amount of time to dry proper and jar, but you will still need to "burp" the jars especially for the first few weeks

I shall be chopping my gal today and I'm sitting here pondering my options, but unlike you I'm not pressed for time so my goal is to slow it down as much as possible
 
mr2shim

mr2shim

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Jbone77 said:
I thank you for admitting the fact that you read my question the first time I posted it and chose not to answer, now I know your going to say you didnt answer because you didnt want to start a fight but iv read several of your posts in other threads and you have no problem arguing so that tells me you know you are wrong. To imply to someone who wants the strongest buzz possible that amber trichs are bad is just plain dumb, the more amber means the fewer clear & more cloudy, meaning more thc. 10-15% isnt a real number, its a numeric representation used for comparison, When someone says 5% clear 85% cloudy and 10% amber people know they want mostly cloudy with more amber than clear, I dont think they actually count the trichs. Once again, if you want to quote science, do it correctly. As far as my shitty $10 loupe goes, how do you know how I determine ripeness? I determine ripeness based on several things such as swelling, pistils, nutrient uptake and the least important one, trichs, collectively they determine ripeness. And why is your loupe used to check for clear trichs better than the next guys "shitty $10 loupe" that he uses to check for amber trichs? Indoorsunking was being helpful as iv noticed he usually is and you want to come and misrepresent science to make yourself sound smarter than you are and make what he said wrong. If you want to quote science, do it correctly
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I actually forgot because I have a life and I also post in more than one thread on this forum, but you can pretend I chose to not answer. ;)

I've also said this many, many times before. You, clearly wouldn't know that because you've been a member here for all of 2 months. Maybe you should read some of my older posts before making such an assumption. I also use a "shitty 10 dollar loupe"

I'm not sure how I'm misquoting sicence as you put it.
Do you agree that amber trichomes are Cannabinol a form of degraded low potency thc? Yes?
Do you agree that harvesting with the as much cloudy as possible while keeping clear and amber to a minimum is the best choice? Yes?
Do you agree to say that your(not literally) plant has 10% amber 80% cloudy and 10% clear is a bit of an inaccurate statement when you take into account there are literally millions if not billions of trichomes on a single plant and there is, at least not at this point in time an accurate way to determine such percentage?

BTW, indoorsunking said that you can determine potency (couch lock) by having more amber trichomes, which in fact isn't exactly true, as I said and even provided information to prove such a claim.,

What exactly do you disagree with me about again?
 
Sand4x105

Sand4x105

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Jbone77 said:
I agreed that mostly cloudy is what you aim for but to harvest when you have more clear than amber is a waste, ...
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Well, you are judging your Plant, by the "Surface Trics"... Each of my buds, has a billion trics... and there are no amber ones in the inside... cut open a bud and see...
If you get a few amber ones... maybe they were caused by you? By the touching etc...
So, on the surface, when you first see amber: Any time after that moment, [if the plant is not damaged, or have any issues with it's leaves-where damaged Tric's will be], then you will always have Clear Trics... ALWAYS every healthy plant will have clear trics until the day it's harvested...

I think, the term "Couch Lock" morphed into where some think it is good to have amber trics...
Most Newbies harvest too soon... and yes should wait for a few amber....as long as plant has not been stressed...
Couch lock started this way: "Man, if you wait to see amber trics your plant will be ready to harvest...."
Then it morphed into: "Man the more amber trics your plant has the more couch lock you will have..."
Then: "Amber trics give you couch lock..."

Just another BS idea that pot heads can not get out of their collective heads...
And, by the way, I have never had couch lock.... Pot just doesn't effect me that way....
MJ slows life down around me, it does not slow me down...or lock me on my couch....
 
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Jbone77

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mr2shim said:
I actually forgot because I have a life and I also post in more than one thread on this forum, but you can pretend I chose to not answer. ;)

I've also said this many, many times before. You, clearly wouldn't know that because you've been a member here for all of 2 months. Maybe you should read some of my older posts before making such an assumption. I also use a "shitty 10 dollar loupe"

I'm not sure how I'm misquoting sicence as you put it.
Do you agree that amber trichomes are Cannabinol a form of degraded low potency thc? Yes?
Do you agree that harvesting with the as much cloudy as possible while keeping clear and amber to a minimum is the best choice? Yes?
Do you agree to say that your(not literally) plant has 10% amber 80% cloudy and 10% clear is a bit of an inaccurate statement when you take into account there are literally millions if not billions of trichomes on a single plant and there is, at least not at this point in time an accurate way to determine such percentage?

BTW, indoorsunking said that you can determine potency (couch lock) by having more amber trichomes, which in fact isn't exactly true, as I said and even provided information to prove such a claim.,

What exactly do you disagree with me about again?
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You are clearly correct, I have only been a member of this forum for a couple months, what I say is unreliable and I should not post when my info differs from the more seasoned growers that have more posts. The more posts a member has and length of their membership is a clear sign of experience. OP I am sorry if I caused any confusion, harvested buds will be strongest when they are mostly cloudy/some clear/very few amber not the ignorant way I stated I have found to produce the strongest bud by having mostly cloudy/some amber/very few clear. I have been corrected by someone with more posts and apologize.
 
mr2shim

mr2shim

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Jbone77 said:
You are clearly correct, I have only been a member of this forum for a couple months, what I say is unreliable and I should not post when my info differs from the more seasoned growers that have more posts. The more posts a member has and length of their membership is a clear sign of experience. OP I am sorry if I caused any confusion, harvested buds will be strongest when they are mostly cloudy/some clear/very few amber not the ignorant way I stated I have found to produce the strongest bud by having mostly cloudy/some amber/very few clear. I have been corrected by someone with more posts and apologize.
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um,.. That's an awkward response. When did I say post count means anything? I'll be the first person here to tell you it's baseless, I actually think I did in this thread. I said You've been a member here for 2 months so why are you assuming that I am wrong and avoided responding because of that, and what exactly are you saying I'm wrong about? I asked you in the post you quoted yet you didn't answer but instead went on a rant about post count.
 
Trousers

Trousers

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I wonder if we are all defining couchlock differently.
Hmm.


Just ot mess things further, DJ Short says to pick when the trichomes are clear and swollen.
I wait until they are cloudy.

I just picked a Banana Kush x Blue dream that had a bout 50% white hairs, but a bunch of amber trichomes.

Pick when ever the fuck you want and do not expect the effect to be radically different for waiting a few extra days.

If you wait too long you will get bananas.
 
ProdigalSun

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RE post count.


I brought it up, so I'll address it. Post count doesn't necessarily mean anything, that is undeniable. This was a contextual issue, I suggested something to the OP that some new-b disagreed with. Once he got out of line, telling me that I needed to do my homework. Instead of backing his shit up, I reminded him that I had done my homework. Generally, post count can be reflective of ones time investment, and therefore apparent skill level or knowledge base of the persons or subject matter in question.

In this case, new-b had about 125 posts, I was over 1200, and by his postings arguments, and complete inability to back up anything he had to say with neither fact nor reference, I think that it has become obvious that I was correct in my stance with this poster.

Post count is not necessarily indicative of ones experience, I personally have accumulated thousands of posts on certain forums, yet migrated to another forum of the same subject, and though experienced in the subject matter, did have to re establish credibility with the residents before any respect was given to me, earned or not. Conversely, I have seen people hanging around the music section or bickering with people; pumping up their post count, yet retaining the inability to effectively communicate within the threads.
 
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Jbone77

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mr2shim said:
to the best of my knowledge amber trichomes don't do that. If you could decide the type of high based on how long you let a plant flower that would mean every strain ever though up is a huge gimmick.

https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/516184-trichomes-harvesting.html
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This is the problem I have, you people read a link like this and determine that amber is bad, I come on and say 10-15% amber is not bad and is in fact when the plant is most potent, you guys want to say im wrong and that what I said was dumb because science says amber is bad. You guys say to harvest at mostly cloudy with more clear than amber because that is when the plant is strongest, ok, maybe im missing out so I decide to read your link because as has been pointed out iv only been a member for what, like 2 months, funny thing is the link you provided supports me, not you guys. Read the last paragraph in the link you provided and then tell me that 10-15% amber will not give you the strongest bud. If you want to quote science, do it correctly and dont argue when your science supports the person you are arguing with.
 
mr2shim

mr2shim

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Jbone77 said:
This is the problem I have, you people read a link like this and determine that amber is bad, I come on and say 10-15% amber is not bad and is in fact when the plant is most potent, you guys want to say im wrong and that what I said was dumb because science says amber is bad. You guys say to harvest at mostly cloudy with more clear than amber because that is when the plant is strongest, ok, maybe im missing out so I decide to read your link because as has been pointed out iv only been a member for what, like 2 months, funny thing is the link you provided supports me, not you guys. Read the last paragraph in the link you provided and then tell me that 10-15% amber will not give you the strongest bud. If you want to quote science, do it correctly and dont argue when your science supports the person you are arguing with.
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I think 10-15% amber is too much even if there was a way to accurately calculate percentage. Trichomes still develop long after the plant is chopped, meaning clear will turn to cloudy and cloudy will turn to amber. So that 10-15% amber inaccurate assumption will obviously rise some months after chop/cure. I still see you don't understand exactly what "quoting science" means.

How is saying amber trichomes are cannabinol which is degraded low potency thc and will not get you high misquoting science?

The 10-15% is someones opinion. It's not a fact and you must do it. Learn the difference guy.

I chop when I feel my plant is ready, I rarely look at trichomes because quite honestly. There are BILLIONS of them on ONE plant. Because I see 15 of them I can't accurately say "hmm, appears to be 15% so I should chop now!" that is fucking stupid.

Why is it so difficult to see what I'm saying? It's 100% factual what amber trichomes are, It's not 100% factual to chop at 10-15 or 88%. There is no accurate way to measure.
 
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Jbone77

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You fail to understand that I called it your link & I called it your science, I never called it science, your link & your science that you are basing your argument off of says you are wrong, you cant dismiss your proof and your science and say it is an opinion when it no longer suits your needs. Read the last paragraph of your own link. I dont need to argue with you anymore, you provided the proof so argue with yourself
 
mr2shim

mr2shim

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Jbone77 said:
You fail to understand that I called it your link & I called it your science, I never called it science, your link & your science that you are basing your argument off of says you are wrong, you cant dismiss your proof and your science and say it is an opinion when it no longer suits your needs. Read the last paragraph of your own link. I dont need to argue with you anymore, you provided the proof so argue with yourself
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re-read the post above yours.
 
mr2shim

mr2shim

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Jbone77 said:
Reread the last paragraph of your own link, I have nothing else to say
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It's almost impossible to harvest without at least some amber trichomes (and some clear), keeping the amber trichomes to the minimum is key if you want maximum potency out of your plant.
Usually if you are careful and watchful you will end up with around 5% clear trichomes, 10% amber and 85% cloudy trichomes.
That is a very reasonable % split and is what you should be aiming for.
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mr2shim said:
I chop when I feel my plant is ready, I rarely look at trichomes because quite honestly. There are BILLIONS of them on ONE plant. Because I see 15 of them I can't accurately say "hmm, appears to be 15% so I should chop now!" that is fucking stupid.

Why is it so difficult to see what I'm saying? It's 100% factual what amber trichomes are, It's not 100% factual to chop at 10-15 or 88%. There is no accurate way to measure.
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schuylaar

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eaturveggies said:
Got an NL+AF that is 13 weeks old. I thought it would definitely be ready to harvest by now, but even though the buds are pretty bulked up, very few of the trichomes are amber. Tried a sample this week and it gave me too much "up" and little body effect (which I really am after). Due to life, this thing MUST be harvested next week. Is there anything at all I can do to squeeze some couchlock out of this crop?
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northern lights and what?..you can get up to 15% more ambers if you put her in the dark 3 days or so..do not water during this time or just prior..if she has any sativa in her (the AF) some can go 100 days..
 
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Jbone77

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Trousers said:
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He provided proof to support his claim, he says harvesting at mostly cloudy with more clear than amber will produce the strongest bud, his own proof says the exact opposite and says harvesting at mostly cloudy with more amber than clear will produce the strongest bud and that is what you should aim for, he then dismisses his own proof and now calls it an opinion and you lack the ability to see the irony in any of that? You cant dismiss the proof that you provide when it no longer suits your needs
 
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